No cardsharing talk BUT adverts for over priced pay severs allowed?

[manxspud]

Think it needs closing now, users had issues about it, it was sorted, dealt with.....

@ manx that needs postin in cable an the sb every night

Don't put ideas in my head

[alunfennell]

My Concern with all of this is !

once again Cardsharing Servers come from people who are sharing there cards with people they do not know on Card Sharing Websites the card details are placed onto Pay servers and Sold much like this Banner on the bottom of the Screen.

The Person or persons (Hundreds & Hundrersds of them all across Europe ) are blissfully unaware that there card is been shared on a Payserver and Making nice money for people that are exploiting this situation.

The other side of this is the is a Criminal element running Pay servers & obtaining C:lines from peoples receviers by Hacking, this can be done through registration on different forums where they obtain your IP address and with a bit of Know how hey can extract or enter details to your Cccam.

You would be totaly nieve to think that Each pay server that has hundreds possably thousands of cards actually pays for each one of them ! especially when you do not have to send them on any C:line, where do they get there cards from ? they Steal them or fraudulently seek for them.

With Police forces across Europe actively seeking Pay servers linked to NDS & Nagravision resulting in plenty of servers been taken off line and those responsable been Jailed or heavly Fined Pay servers are illegal

As with every successful website comes advertising revenue in the form of Banners, Direct Advertising or spam Popups, but its a bit hypocritical to have a no Cardsharing Discussion however trivial but to have a Banner advertising this illegal service.

Finaly The Banner also containd direct selling from DvBseller.com which to all involved know it sells Clone Dreamboxs and is blacklisted on the Dream-Multimedia website as such.

A few interesting notes from Consumer Direct

1. If you buy fake goods and they don't live up to your expectations, you won't get any after sales service or guarantees.

2. Fake goods deprive the copyright owner of money that can be used to fund new development.

3. A lot of fake goods fund drug dealers and other organised crime - even terrorism.

This little extract concers both topics CardSharing & Clone Receivers.

Copyright may exist in certain goods, such as artistic designs on clothing, computer programs, CDs, DVDs and other electronic or Digital media. An infringement of copyright may occur where such goods are copied without the permission of the copyright owner.

Infringing goods are generally known as 'counterfeit' or 'pirated' goods.


Both Items Advertised on this Banner are deemed illegal under UK law in one way or another.

[Manic01]

And cardsharing in any form even just between 2 mates or internally is illegal.
There is no good cardsharing for any of the providers as it stops revenue being generated.
Even sharing a sky card internally in your own house is illegal as the sky card is always sky's property and you using it to get multiroom without paying.
All CS is illegal, even alun sharing his between his friends is illegal. Doesn't matter if you own all the cards or not.

[dingo38]

Both Items Advertised on this Banner are deemed illegal under UK law in one way or another.

This thread should have been closed as it serves no purpose.What Countries deem as illegal and where the server actually resides are two different arguments.

Reading through the thread,and knowing vb pretty well, the banner was added by admin,who knowing the mistake was present recitfied it...

[Manic01]

This is a discussion forum, not all threads need to be closed or it will end up like another well known forum and we don't want that!

[firestorm]

lot of thing are illegal here are 29 of them
1. It is lawful to kill a Scotsman in York if he is carrying a bow and arrow.
2. It is illegal for taxi drivers to carry rabid dogs or corpses.
3. A taxi driver must ask passengers if they are suffering from plague or smallpox.
4. A member of the House of Commons is not allowed to resign his seat. However, if one wants to leave the post, he applies for (and is automatically granted) the Stewardship of the Aylesbury Hundred, which is a job with no duties or pay but which makes him ineligible for membership of Parliament.
5. Anyone entering the Houses of Parliament while wearing a suit of armour is liable to be arrested.
6. It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament (I'm not sure what punishment is inflicted on offenders).
7. Any whale washed up on the shore is the property of the Queen, so she can use its bones for her corset.
8. In Hereford you can shoot a Welsh person on a Sunday, with a longbow, in the Cathedral Close.
9. You can shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow in Chester, inside the city walls and after midnight.
10. It is legal for a male to urinate in public, as long it is on the rear wheel of his motor vehicle and his right hand is on the vehicle.
11. Women are permitted to go topless in Liverpool provided they work as a clerk in a shop selling tropical fish.
12. A bed may not be hung out of a window.
13. It is illegal for a lady to eat chocolates on a public conveyance.
14. It is illegal to be drunk on licenced premises.
15. Any person found breaking a boiled egg at the sharp end may be sentenced to 24 hours in the stocks.
16. Any boy under the age of 10 may not see a naked mannequin.
17. It is illegal to eat mince pies on 25th December.
18. In London it is illegal to hail a taxi while suffering from bubonic plague.
19. Sticking a postage stamp (showing the head of the queen, which they all do) on an envelope upside down is considered treason.
20. It is illegal to go within 100 yards of the queen when not wearing hose, socks or stockings.
21. It is illegal for any commoner's pet to have carnal knowledge of an animal belonging to the monarch.
22. A pregnant woman may relieve herself anywhere she likes, including (if she requests) in a policeman's helmet.
23. A hackney carriage (i.e. taxi) driver must (still) carry a bale of hay and a bucket to feed and water his horse [Thanks to Paula Wilde for reminding me of this one]
24. It is illegal for a London taxi driver to take more than one day off work in any week unless he gives 10 days notice (presumably to the licensing authority).
25. It is also illegal for a London taxi driver to pick up a passenger who flags him down, although he is permitted to display an illuminated sign saying he is available.
26. Also in London you may not carry a plank, pole, ladder, wheel, hoop or tub along the footpath, although you can carry it across the path to load it into a vehicle.
27. Children in London are forbidden to play any game, fly a kite or slide on ice or snow in the street.
28. Under a 1906 act of Parliament it is illegal to go to a fancy dress party dressed as a soldier or sailor.
29. In London it is an offence against the law to beat a carpet in the street, or to beat a doormat in the atreet after 8:00a.m.

just making my point that all of us break the law sometimes you have to break the law to change the law
ie poll tax riots,suffragette ,English civil was ect ect
no i am not saying cardhareing is the same as woman's votes
But what i am saying is that if we all pay sky ?80 a month then they put it up every few months .There is an alternative ie buy a overseas subscription and support them financial to buy good films football ect and part of that is sharing with other people helps take money out of the big boys who constantly rip us off.And it allows packages like tring to survive with out oversea subscription a lot of the small tv company's would not survive

[Manic01]

Agreed I am all for buying a sub from overseas.

[sob1467]

lot of thing are illegal here are 29 of them
1. It is lawful to kill a Scotsman in York if he is carrying a bow and arrow.
2. It is illegal for taxi drivers to carry rabid dogs or corpses.
3. A taxi driver must ask passengers if they are suffering from plague or smallpox.
4. A member of the House of Commons is not allowed to resign his seat. However, if one wants to leave the post, he applies for (and is automatically granted) the Stewardship of the Aylesbury Hundred, which is a job with no duties or pay but which makes him ineligible for membership of Parliament.
5. Anyone entering the Houses of Parliament while wearing a suit of armour is liable to be arrested.
6. It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament (I'm not sure what punishment is inflicted on offenders).
7. Any whale washed up on the shore is the property of the Queen, so she can use its bones for her corset.
8. In Hereford you can shoot a Welsh person on a Sunday, with a longbow, in the Cathedral Close.
9. You can shoot a Welsh person with a bow and arrow in Chester, inside the city walls and after midnight.
10. It is legal for a male to urinate in public, as long it is on the rear wheel of his motor vehicle and his right hand is on the vehicle.
11. Women are permitted to go topless in Liverpool provided they work as a clerk in a shop selling tropical fish.
12. A bed may not be hung out of a window.
13. It is illegal for a lady to eat chocolates on a public conveyance.
14. It is illegal to be drunk on licenced premises.
15. Any person found breaking a boiled egg at the sharp end may be sentenced to 24 hours in the stocks.
16. Any boy under the age of 10 may not see a naked mannequin.
17. It is illegal to eat mince pies on 25th December.
18. In London it is illegal to hail a taxi while suffering from bubonic plague.
19. Sticking a postage stamp (showing the head of the queen, which they all do) on an envelope upside down is considered treason.
20. It is illegal to go within 100 yards of the queen when not wearing hose, socks or stockings.
21. It is illegal for any commoner's pet to have carnal knowledge of an animal belonging to the monarch.
22. A pregnant woman may relieve herself anywhere she likes, including (if she requests) in a policeman's helmet.
23. A hackney carriage (i.e. taxi) driver must (still) carry a bale of hay and a bucket to feed and water his horse [Thanks to Paula Wilde for reminding me of this one]
24. It is illegal for a London taxi driver to take more than one day off work in any week unless he gives 10 days notice (presumably to the licensing authority).
25. It is also illegal for a London taxi driver to pick up a passenger who flags him down, although he is permitted to display an illuminated sign saying he is available.
26. Also in London you may not carry a plank, pole, ladder, wheel, hoop or tub along the footpath, although you can carry it across the path to load it into a vehicle.
27. Children in London are forbidden to play any game, fly a kite or slide on ice or snow in the street.
28. Under a 1906 act of Parliament it is illegal to go to a fancy dress party dressed as a soldier or sailor.
29. In London it is an offence against the law to beat a carpet in the street, or to beat a doormat in the atreet after 8:00a.m.

Great post Firestorm

[dingo38]

This is a discussion forum, not all threads need to be closed or it will end up like another well known forum and we don't want that!

Agreed I am all for buying a sub from overseas.

And all forums carry rules,do they not..

Discussions about cardsharing are not allowed, including, but not limited to, cccam, gbox, mbox, etc.

[alunfennell]

And cardsharing in any form even just between 2 mates or internally is illegal.
There is no good cardsharing for any of the providers as it stops revenue being generated.
Even sharing a sky card internally in your own house is illegal as the sky card is always sky's property and you using it to get multiroom without paying.
All CS is illegal, even alun sharing his between his friends is illegal. Doesn't matter if you own all the cards or not.

I do not see the Police breaking down doors of peoples homes for sharing there Sky card with the Dad up the Road or the work m8s or a few Forum Friends where there is as a level of trust built up.

But what I do see it is Servers that are charing a Subscription been raided all across Europe and a fair few in the UK to date.

There is a Differance Charging a subscription for a service deemed illegal.

1. A Subscription contains electronic or physical documentation of a contract for a service or other for a period of time, a subscription is monetary measurement usually for no more than 30 days of any one service for a Payment.

2. A share or sharing is between two or more people usually consists of an item with no monetary Value attached , the share can be of any physical item of an equal value to its owner in return for a simular or that of an equal value from the other party, No physical contract is made between the two or others.

3.Lending is when a physical item or Cash is given a monetary Value by its owner and traded or Lent to another party but with a garantie or return attached, a Contract is Usually attached to Lending or at least an Understanding.

Under UK & ROI laws Sharing of any Item or items is not illegal between two or more partys, under that provision no party has the legal right to seek Damages against the other as Sharing is none contractual or binding in the eyes of the law.

This is the main reason why Sky can not prosecute individually those that share the details of there cards, Sharing of any Item or items is not illegal because it carries no monetary Value between both partys.

Sky / NDS can only leagly go after those that Charge or place a monetary Value on there service and Reselling a Service is illegal. Sky are within there rights to seek & prosecute this illegal activity.

And as for sharing to an Upstairs Tv, your Neighbour, friend or Work M8 etc, Sky might have it in the small print but it does not stand up in Law, its only there Terms and conditions the worst Sky can do is Teriminate your contract if caught.

[spandu]

I do not see the Police breaking down doors of peoples homes for sharing there Sky card with the Dad up the Road or the work m8s or a few Forum Friends where there is as a level of trust built up.

But what I do see it is Servers that are charing a Subscription been raided all across Europe and a fair few in the UK to date.

There is a Differance Charging a subscription for a service deemed illegal.

1. A Subscription contains electronic or physical documentation of a contract for a service or other for a period of time, a subscription is monetary measurement usually for no more than 30 days of any one service for a Payment.

2. A share or sharing is between two or more people usually consists of an item with no monetary Value attached , the share can be of any physical item of an equal value to its owner in return for a simular or that of an equal value from the other party, No physical contract is made between the two or others.

3.Lending is when a physical item or Cash is given a monetary Value by its owner and traded or Lent to another party but with a garantie or return attached, a Contract is Usually attached to Lending or at least an Understanding.

Under UK & ROI laws Sharing of any Item or items is not illegal between two or more partys, under that provision no party has the legal right to seek Damages against the other as Sharing is none contractual or binding in the eyes of the law.

This is the main reason why Sky can not prosecute individually those that share the details of there cards, Sharing of any Item or items is not illegal because it carries no monetary Value between both partys.

Sky / NDS can only leagly go after those that Charge or place a monetary Value on there service and Reselling a Service is illegal. Sky are within there rights to seek & prosecute this illegal activity.

And as for sharing to an Upstairs Tv, your Neighbour, friend or Work M8 etc, Sky might have it in the small print but it does not stand up in Law, its only there Terms and conditions the worst Sky can do is Teriminate your contract if caught.

Does not mention taking about it or sharing information.
As avertising it to the public on this or any site appears not to be illegal.

[Manic01]

I do not see the Police breaking down doors of peoples homes for sharing there Sky card with the Dad up the Road or the work m8s or a few Forum Friends where there is as a level of trust built up.

But what I do see it is Servers that are charing a Subscription been raided all across Europe and a fair few in the UK to date.

There is a Differance Charging a subscription for a service deemed illegal.

1. A Subscription contains electronic or physical documentation of a contract for a service or other for a period of time, a subscription is monetary measurement usually for no more than 30 days of any one service for a Payment.

2. A share or sharing is between two or more people usually consists of an item with no monetary Value attached , the share can be of any physical item of an equal value to its owner in return for a simular or that of an equal value from the other party, No physical contract is made between the two or others.

3.Lending is when a physical item or Cash is given a monetary Value by its owner and traded or Lent to another party but with a garantie or return attached, a Contract is Usually attached to Lending or at least an Understanding.

Under UK & ROI laws Sharing of any Item or items is not illegal between two or more partys, under that provision no party has the legal right to seek Damages against the other as Sharing is none contractual or binding in the eyes of the law.

This is the main reason why Sky can not prosecute individually those that share the details of there cards, Sharing of any Item or items is not illegal because it carries no monetary Value between both partys.

Sky / NDS can only leagly go after those that Charge or place a monetary Value on there service and Reselling a Service is illegal. Sky are within there rights to seek & prosecute this illegal activity.

And as for sharing to an Upstairs Tv, your Neighbour, friend or Work M8 etc, Sky might have it in the small print but it does not stand up in Law, its only there Terms and conditions the worst Sky can do is Teriminate your contract if caught.

Dress it up anyway you want mate, it's still stealing another providers goods!

[satsmo]

The thread was originally about an advert that has since been taken down, why was it resurrected and turned into yet another "rights and wrongs" of cardsharing thread? There have been plenty of these with specific thread titles and the same answers in relation to such.

As the original query of the thread has been answered this thread is now closed.