dreambox clones;principals and questions

[mfaraj57]

Dreambox cloning started since late months of year 2008 by making what known as sim 1 dreambox which many still having these boxes with nearly stopped support.There after cloning has been developed in more organized way and several teams and factories created to achieve more sales on commercial bases.
Dream multimedia the original maker of dreambox reacted to this developing cloning by many actions
-Protection of dreambox driver by complex protection technique
-Enigma files protection(enigma files are the most important files in dreambox and usually the path in dreambox in /bin/enigma2 files),these files usually build by image teams but should contain basic part from dream multimedia
- also protection through secondstage loader through special sim cards
- Protection through what called actel chip,but this is not used tell,so no need for more details.

we can say all these protection methods failed in general and clones sales increased rapidly in the last two years and this clone success can be contributed to four main reasons
-failure of various dream multimeda techniques which counteracted by developed complex patching techniques from clone teams
-The high price of original dream multimedia products which in my opinion the main factor in increasing the clone sales

-The high quality products of clones with relative low prices,we can say that there are poor quality products from clones but major clone teams and factories put their effort to produce good quality boxes and care about their reputations and credibility
-Many clone teams start supporting their products by electornic ways including mainly forum supports as example sim2 and Ferrari support forums



we have now three major clone teams producing clone dreamboxed
1-sim2 team
2-Ferrari
3-E-star

Four types form enigma2 dreambox cloned tell now\\
dm800-sim2,ferrari,e-star
dm800se-sim2,ferrari
dm500hd-ferrari and other unknown team but using sim2 cards
dm8000-ferrari

also there are small teams and small factories but most of them produce low quality dreambox
I want to focus in this talk about the techniques for various patching techniques used by clone teams to counteract the dmm protection through ssl,enigma and drivers

-clones teams between far periods release what called secondstage loader to read their cloned sim cards and although this solve some dmm protections but not enough solution in most of the times.Exmaples on these ssl of sim2-ssl 82 and 83 for dm500hd
-enigma protection but this is not used effectively.
-driver protections: Dream multimedia used the drivers as the main weapon against clones and with close periods dmm release new drivers with new protection method and we can say generally clone teams failed to achieve satisfactory anti-protection results and in most of the time solve the problem partially by using old drivers with old suitable enigma
In fact we have two terms for driver patching called
False patching and True patching

False patching:
using old tuner files from old drivers(tuner files are the most important files in drivers and usually dmm used these files for protection against clone boxes)
in fact this false patching does nothing more than replacing latest drivers by old drivers and lates enigma by old enigma and the produced image to deceive the user by latest logos and some latest plugins nothing else
generally speaking all the teams use this false patching for some time because the difficulty in true patching

True patching:
-This mean patching the latest drivers and removing the protection codes from the drivers,so the drivers maintain their performance and the new features
nearly all the teams failed in this part but as exception sim2 team succeeded several times in doing this true patching

welcome to any question about clones

[southpaw]

which images for dm800 sim2 has "true patching" for bl82 images please

[neilaj8]

Hi there,
Wondered if anyone could help me. I have a Dreambox 800 HD (clone) and wish to record to a hard drive. Not sure what hard drive I need to purchase. I really am not clued up with it.
Also I have installed an additonal cable to my dish (Raven BJ21), and now need to purchase a dual/quad LNB, which one would I need for this dish? Is it easy to set -up?

Thanks in advance

[mfaraj57]

all latest images from sim2 have true driver patching(almost all images released after 14-8-2011 for dm800,dm800se and dm500hd)
i mean all images released with drivers 21082011
other team images have false patching with old drivers since 15-12-2010 and old enigma

[southpaw]

Hi there,
Wondered if anyone could help me. I have a Dreambox 800 HD (clone) and wish to record to a hard drive. Not sure what hard drive I need to purchase. I really am not clued up with it.
Also I have installed an additonal cable to my dish (Raven BJ21), and now need to purchase a dual/quad LNB, which one would I need for this dish? Is it easy to set -up?

Thanks in advance

you be better off starting your own thread mate

[mfaraj57]

Hi there,
Wondered if anyone could help me. I have a Dreambox 800 HD (clone) and wish to record to a hard drive. Not sure what hard drive I need to purchase. I really am not clued up with it.
Also I have installed an additonal cable to my dish (Raven BJ21), and now need to purchase a dual/quad LNB, which one would I need for this dish? Is it easy to set -up?

Thanks in advance

i prefer external harddisk for clones but types there are many types.i am using samsung and it is very good

[southpaw]

is sim 2.01 the same sim card as sim 2.10 ?
dm800 = 2.01
dm800se = 2.10
are they both same card

[mfaraj57]

is sim 2.01 the same sim card as sim 2.10 ?
dm800 = 2.01
dm800se = 2.10
are they both same card

No both different structurally but functionally nearly same(sim210 cards has two modes 2 and 4 and mode 4 not used tell and reserved for future development,mode2 present in both cards and used in both with current sim2 ssl)
old sim2 dm800 has sim201 card
newly produced sim2 dm800 came with new sim210 card
all sim2 images are working with both cards equally

sim2 dm800se with sim210 card only
sim2 dm500hd with sim210 card only

[acatech]

all latest images from sim2 have true driver patching(almost all images released after 14-8-2011 for dm800,dm800se and dm500hd)
i mean all images released with drivers 21082011
other team images have false patching with old drivers since 15-12-2010 and old enigma

Does it mean that drivers 02092011 still are not patched?

[mfaraj57]

drivers 2-9-2011 not patched(true),some teams claimed that patched it but this not true and the most important in the drivers(tuner files) dated back to 15-12-2011
sim2 also did false patching for 2-9- drivers but tuner file dated back to 21082011

[mfaraj57]

This example about worst type of false patching(replacing new drivers files by very old drivers files)
look for patched drivers 2-9-2011 released by ferrari


and compare the most important driver file in the package bcm7401.ko(this file usually protected by dream multimedia) and compare it with the one from original drivers 2010-12-15(15-12-2010)


following graph demonstrate the comparison by winmerge prorgam and showed both are identical,that,s mean that the original bcm7401.ko file in original 2-9-2011 drivers replaced by bcm7401.ko from original drivers of 15-12-2010
by this you can say that patched 2-9-2011 drivers are same as old original drivers 15-12-2010,this is the worst type of false patching and in fact it is just deception of users
using old bcm7401.ko should be followed by using old usr/bin/enigm2 file
instead the original enigma2 file in new image(else the image will not work)
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[southpaw]

This example about worst type of false patching(replacing new drivers files by very old drivers files)
look for patched drivers 2-9-2011 released by ferrari


and compare the most important driver file in the package bcm7401.ko(this file usually protected by dream multimedia) and compare it with the one from original drivers 2010-12-15(15-12-2010)


following graph demonstrate the comparison by winmerge prorgam and showed both are identical,that,s mean that the original bcm7401.ko file in original 2-9-2011 drivers replaced by bcm7401.ko from original drivers of 15-12-2011
by this you can say that patched 2-9-2011 drivers are same as old original drivers 15-12-2010,this is the worst type of false patching and in fact it is just deception of users
using old bcm7401.ko should be followed by using old usr/bin/enigm2 file
instead the original enigma2 file in new image(else the image will not work)
A

should read 15-12-2010

so what your saying is ferrari images with drivers 2-9-2011 are actually old 2010 drivers (bcm7401.ko)

[mfaraj57]

should read 15-12-2010

so what your saying is ferrari images with drivers 2-9-2011 are actually old 2010 drivers (bcm7401.ko)

thanks just typing error,fixed
of course will not be in front of dream multimedia and create future drivers 15-12-2011
yes exactly this is what i mean
"so what your saying is ferrari images with drivers 2-9-2011 are actually old 2010 drivers (bcm7401.ko)"

In addition to bcm7401.ko there are about 10 files and these files are not replaced by old ones
but bcm7401.ko is larger one(3mb) and the most important one and responsible for many vital functions including tuner functions and dream multimedia put code inside bcm7401.ko to protect from using it in clones so teams take old one not protected and replaces the recent well protected
and this called false patching and i added worst type of false patching because drivers of 15-12-2010 are different completely from 2-9-2011 and many enhancement will be lost including contrast,screen resoultion,latest plugins compatabilty
in fact clone makers concentrate in hardware making and less interested in making compatible softwares because the first one is more easier

[southpaw]

thanks for updating us mfaraj , but team ferrari say sim2 are not true patched , see here for example

"Team 2 drivers 20110821 are in FACT the patched "old" bugy driver from 2011-03-09 DRIVERS"
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to be honest i dont know why you care about ferrari, sim2 team have much more selection and great releases more often than ferrari (i have 2 dm800 with ferrari and 2.01) . sim2 one has many latest 82 images .
your team are much better supported here in uk , with great extra features like tspanel, tunisiasat , dreambox viewer . Keep up the great work , and leave ferrari to worry about sim2 , not sim2 worry about ferrari !

[mfaraj57]

thanks for updating us mfaraj , but team ferrari say sim2 are not true patched , see here for example

"Team 2 drivers 20110821 are in FACT the patched "old" bugy driver from 2011-03-09 DRIVERS"
*********

to be honest i dont know why you care about ferrari, sim2 team have much more selection and great releases more often than ferrari (i have 2 dm800 with ferrari and 2.01) . sim2 one has many latest 82 images .
your team are much better supported here in uk , with great extra features like tspanel, tunisiasat , dreambox viewer . Keep up the great work , and leave ferrari to worry about sim2 , not sim2 worry about ferrari !

Yes, in fact i am not worry about ferrari and we do not have reasons for that but difficult to see misleading information and not defend
before our forum attacked sure you visited dreamoem and you saw that rarely mentioned ferrari but if you visit their site everyday there are at least 5-6 posts mentioned sim2 and the bad sim2 images and i can prove and they said more than one time they took our sim2 images and add their bootloader and i demonstrated in other forum that one images modified by ramimaher they forget to delete name ramimaher from the image information
now they said sim2 drivers are buggy from 3/2011 ,ok where are the evidences,above when i wrote that used old drivers i gave evidences and anyone can do the comparison
The truth we made true patching for drivers 6-5 and 21-8 and we did not use any old drivers and simple proof to that the enigma files used in our images they are original and just add sim2 drivers to any original image all functions will work mainly video playing but ferrari used old drivers and replace enigma files by old ones for functions to work
neither teams did true patchings for 2-9-2011 drivers but we used recent bcm.ko file from 21082011 while them used from 15122010 and drivers 21082011 and 2092011 nearly similar so no effect on the image but drivers 15122010 totally different from those of 02092011
in fact i put this subject just to show the members and users the difference between true and false patching and not my target to criticize anybody