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[isma123]

Hello ,
To AlekN (https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/member.php/350258-AlekN) , Today we received new Renault Kangoo 2023 with card in our workshop for adding spare key ,we have try with Renault Online , car detected card programmed detected and also new key detected when AVDI ask to put new key/card , after few second when AVDI ask if you have working key and clic yes we get ( unsupported softwre version )
we have take a look to BCM and HFM , same as CLIOV and CaptureII , it is possible to add it ?
Tahnks in advance


you need to use programmer to read dump from bcm

[vageric]

anyone have use avdi to program a spare key to a chrysler voyager 2014?
same key as on photo.


Update: just done the Lancia Voyager under menu Town/Country and everything went flawless.

[mjoesen]

Yes, no problem.

[vageric]

Yes, no problem.

is it first remove all keys and then re-learn the keys?
or just learn keys and follow instructions?

[doolittle]

You can erase if you wish or simply ADD
Is menu Grand Vogery isn’t there.
Chose Town and Country model

[AlekN]

Sorry guys, took the second half of last week off and have been having password issues.
What have I missed so far?

[gttuning]

Sorry guys, took the second half of last week off and have been having password issues.
What have I missed so far?Not much[emoji16]..


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[AlekN]

In that case here are some of the news in regards to the ongoing software update we can share for now. The rest of the news should be available on Friday so there will be some more things to add but we do not want to announce them before we are certain that everything works. For all people with active AMS we will start building on Friday evening so that there are no delays in orders and I expect everyone with a valid AMS to have new updates by Tuesday evening, possibly Wednesday morning:
https://abrites.com/news
There are three more things we are waitin on in terms of testing but they should be done by Friday, hopefully.

[vageric]

Delete this post pls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cl55]

After some update of DAS Mercedes, the ability to read TCU (vgs1,vgs2,vgs3) fbs data through the gateway disappeared, i.e. w211,w219,w164, now the transmission fbs reads only with a direct connection. Through car obd, reading FBS for these three models is unsuccessful, although it was definitely there before

[Ecuprog31]

Clio IV 2018
no communication with HFM
other tool communicate

[whiskeyman]

Instead of mileage updates
And making it yet another diagnostic tool
Would have been better to see the fixes
Of the softwares we all complain about
Here on dk
And probably on other forums too
Make the tool reliable and first choice

Pity this was not Japanese
Where they take pride in thier products
Regardless the business

This strategy of avoidance has worked so far
But with so many other tools now on the market
And many ahead in some areas better to do quality than quantity

[AlekN]

Most 7G tronics can only be read with direct CAN connection and this is not to do with our software - sometimes we get transmissions we can read in DAS manager by OBD, but more often than not they almost always require direct CAN connection. Our colleague TIM from the USA did a video on teh matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHT73myksVk&t=22s


After some update of DAS Mercedes, the ability to read TCU (vgs1,vgs2,vgs3) fbs data through the gateway disappeared, i.e. w211,w219,w164, now the transmission fbs reads only with a direct connection. Through car obd, reading FBS for these three models is unsuccessful, although it was definitely there before

[AlekN]

Get in touch with the support team, this is probably a problem which needs to be addressed ASAP.


Clio IV 2018
no communication with HFM
other tool communicate

[AlekN]

I understand your criticism. The thing is that as you probably know we have different teams and they all work on their respective projects so the Ford team is not ready with the fixes (because they are a rework of the whole software) while others keep moving forward - they find some breakthrough and they release it so in that sense we can only announce what we have made progress on.
Speaking of the Japanese and the pride they take - what makes you think we do not pride ourselves in the tool we produce. With the risk of sounding like Dr. Dre I must note that we most of the current abilities all the companies provide are based on what we push in terms of progress - who did FBS3 in 2015; BCM2, JLR2018+, locked alarms, etc. Hyundai/ kIA - we are still the best at all of that, who managed to do adaptation of FBS4 modules, who does Porsche, CAS4 by OBD, FEM, BDC, SMART 453, CLIO V - all cars that were unthinkable before we cracked them. Not to mention trucks...
I think we do have a lot to be proud of. The way we think is that we can only be successfull if we innovate, if there is no innovation but we have no bugs in Ford you will say that there is nothing new from us, right. That Abrites has died and there is nothing there to speak of. There is a fine line we need to walk - between giving you what you need and revising the old projects so that there are no bugs. We choose to innovate first and hire more people to work on the projects that need fixing which takes more time.
To continue with the Japanese theme I can only quote what Miamoto Musashi has said long before us:
“There is nothing outside of yourself that can ever enable you to get better, stronger, richer, quicker, or smarter. Everything is within. Everything exists. Seek nothing outside of yourself."


Instead of mileage updates
And making it yet another diagnostic tool
Would have been better to see the fixes
Of the softwares we all complain about
Here on dk
And probably on other forums too
Make the tool reliable and first choice

Pity this was not Japanese
Where they take pride in thier products
Regardless the business

This strategy of avoidance has worked so far
But with so many other tools now on the market
And many ahead in some areas better to do quality than quantity

[AlekN]

Delete this pls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And for why?

[vageric]

And for why?

because the post is empty!

[whiskeyman]

I understand your criticism. The thing is that as you probably know we have different teams and they all work on their respective projects so the Ford team is not ready with the fixes (because they are a rework of the whole software) while others keep moving forward - they find some breakthrough and they release it so in that sense we can only announce what we have made progress on.
Speaking of the Japanese and the pride they take - what makes you think we do not pride ourselves in the tool we produce. With the risk of sounding like Dr. Dre I must note that we most of the current abilities all the companies provide are based on what we push in terms of progress - who did FBS3 in 2015; BCM2, JLR2018+, locked alarms, etc. Hyundai/ kIA - we are still the best at all of that, who managed to do adaptation of FBS4 modules, who does Porsche, CAS4 by OBD, FEM, BDC, SMART 453, CLIO V - all cars that were unthinkable before we cracked them. Not to mention trucks...
I think we do have a lot to be proud of. The way we think is that we can only be successfull if we innovate, if there is no innovation but we have no bugs in Ford you will say that there is nothing new from us, right. That Abrites has died and there is nothing there to speak of. There is a fine line we need to walk - between giving you what you need and revising the old projects so that there are no bugs. We choose to innovate first and hire more people to work on the projects that need fixing which takes more time.
To continue with the Japanese theme I can only quote what Miamoto Musashi has said long before us:
“There is nothing outside of yourself that can ever enable you to get better, stronger, richer, quicker, or smarter. Everything is within. Everything exists. Seek nothing outside of yourself."

yes you guys have come out with some good stuff

as far as bmw goes not a lot beats autohex
my goto merc tool for keys has always been vvdi
also the mqb as we can use their keys to emulate working position
it has its pros and cons like any other tool

the jlr 2018+ spare keys using abrities keys was not good according to a good friend as i did not buy after speaking to him at the time
spare key programming avdi support said must be the car.............4 different cars in a row

adapting fbs4 modules has thier been a big demand for this out of interest???
and as for not going back to old software............remember everyone has paid for the software at some point or does that not matter?

if we all bought a brand new television and only half the functions worked would we not all return it?

[foxtec800]

Anyone managed too use HK010 to reset hyundai ME17.9 on bench ?
Kap cant help and nothing in manual and it doesnt matter where i look i cant find an option
to neutralise on bench ?

[Spiritech]

Anyone managed too use HK010 to reset hyundai ME17.9 on bench ?
Kap cant help and nothing in manual and it doesnt matter where i look i cant find an option
to neutralise on bench ?

Do you have the PIN for the donor module? If so then just connect it in the car and neutralise by OBD. If you don't have the PIN get the VIN from the module, or more reliably get the VIN from the donor car chassis then get the PIN from a broker. Once you have the PIN you can neutralise freely with many tools. G-Scan/Zenith is best because it is a dealer tool effectively.

Don't do on the bench, just do it in car. HK stuff doesn't really work well on bench as it's all 100% designed to work in the car.

[mjoesen]

Have you looked at page 19-20 i the online manual?
https://abrites.com/media/user_manuals/html/abrites-diagnostics-for-hyundai-kia-online-user-manual/index.html?v=1680769592

I have not find a picture on the ECU pinout in the manual.

[foxtec800]

Couldn`t find a picture either,, in the end decided to clone, was quicker and easier. But would have been nice to try and see if bench mode would have worked.
I will try again next time when I have more time to play with Hk010 .

[Weasel3]

Today, its Friday!

Waiting for the announcement, of various updates!
They said earlier this week, they would release today.

Like Christmas, and opening presents for Lockie's
Each time, from any developer
:)

[AlekN]

I think this is the only reply I have:
https://abrites.com/blog/choosing-to-go-to-the-moon-das-manager-for-fbs3-fbs4


yes you guys have come out with some good stuff

as far as bmw goes not a lot beats autohex
my goto merc tool for keys has always been vvdi
also the mqb as we can use their keys to emulate working position
it has its pros and cons like any other tool

the jlr 2018+ spare keys using abrities keys was not good according to a good friend as i did not buy after speaking to him at the time
spare key programming avdi support said must be the car.............4 different cars in a row

adapting fbs4 modules has thier been a big demand for this out of interest???
and as for not going back to old software............remember everyone has paid for the software at some point or does that not matter?

if we all bought a brand new television and only half the functions worked would we not all return it?

[offsystem]

do you maybe have a timetable of write RH850 ?

[qeso705]

Do you have the PIN for the donor module? If so then just connect it in the car and neutralise by OBD. If you don't have the PIN get the VIN from the module, or more reliably get the VIN from the donor car chassis then get the PIN from a broker. Once you have the PIN you can neutralise freely with many tools. G-Scan/Zenith is best because it is a dealer tool effectively.

Don't do on the bench, just do it in car. HK stuff doesn't really work well on bench as it's all 100% designed to work in the car.

At least on EU market most 2015- HK ECU are impossible to neutralize with valid PIN with standard procedure. Not sure how great is their second option for neutralize them as they like not precise or fake adverts. Anyone can share experience? VIN is possible to write new when ECU is neutralized? Rumours states that abritus suggestion about VIN change in FCA have more gaps as only immo related units.

[AlekN]

There have been a few additions to the software so there is going to be a week's worth of delay.

[AlekN]

do you maybe have a timetable of write RH850 ?

At the current point in time I cannot commit to a specific deadline as the developers need to make sure everything is tip top first.

[davorOS]

hello
I have Actros MP4 with lost key bit far from me
is it possible to connect EZS on bench if sent to me or only OBD and bypass cable?

regards

[AlekN]

It certainly is possible because we had those here, at the office, I do not have the wiring diagrams though. I am sure you could find them via star finder


hello
I have Actros MP4 with lost key bit far from me
is it possible to connect EZS on bench if sent to me or only OBD and bypass cable?

regards

[K1nd3r]

key programming for Actros 2014+ trucks works?

[Matronix]

As of lately got the support license and Abrites stepped up the support really well for a while. I had a doubtfull working AVDI and they just replaced it, some other issues and quite fast answers as well. Good solutions on problems that have come by. But now I have issues with Fiat offline - while reading a Panda it decided to stop working (the Abrites software) - after that, when reading any and every Fiat I get 'generic error' . They have logs of at least 3 cars and then agreed it might be software instead of other error (all other brands are ok) - Send me an update, just got a ducato in and connected tot test... the offline function is greyed out! That is no solution, that is running away from an issue! The online version has no option for key learning , not in main menu , not in bcm. Not for this 2012 Ducato, only newer models. .... Even though I think they will solve it , I still have a little feeling of people in an office that don't understand we work with people that come in and that expect us to do the job. Just fix things. Don't me wrong, but I am all thumbs up for all other support they did but am utterly suprised they cannot fix this one.

This car is no problem for me (have Autel, Lonsdor, OBD Star, etc etc) but for the few Panda's I had waiting it is killing since I don't have TMPRo2 for this and the Abrites was my saver on this. Did anyone else experience issues with Fiat lately or is it really a sole issue on my version / my software as I expect it to be.

[rapidlocksmiths]

i have had no issues on fiat software , though all have been grand punto , 500 , 500L , 500X and ducato ( boxer and relay) models , not had an older model for some time so perhaps an issue on the older models software but no issues on the later models offline

surely if you have sent log files they can see if the issue is software related or avdi related ?

[davorOS]

yesterday I had two cars captur and dacia dokker both of them I couldn't do with online sw after few try
did them ofline straight

Captur 2017 and dokker 2019
AVDI try to read flash but stop on 25% then again on 85% freez and had to start again try few times on both cars

[Matronix]

Fiat works again - had a greyed out option for the offline but after reinstall it works again... weird. Captur issue mentioned by davorOS I can confirm - also had a Captur which stopped reading first time with a 'data mismatch' error. Had to retry and then it went through. I used online as well - second try it worked but it seems there are few issues with it as more people have the same problem (never experienced before).

[Matronix]

i have had no issues on fiat software , though all have been grand punto , 500 , 500L , 500X and ducato ( boxer and relay) models , not had an older model for some time so perhaps an issue on the older models software but no issues on the later models offline

surely if you have sent log files they can see if the issue is software related or avdi related ? - had an extensive session with support on this - it started after reading a Fiat Panda BCM - could not read it again and gave 'generic error' - have send logs of 4 fiat's but they could not really find it - told them it propably was software corruption - after last logs they still had had no solution so a reinstall seemed only solution and it was.

[davorOS]

New problem 2019 dacia dokker couldn't read it with online first said missing licence second time freez at 20%
plug in offline and all OK

something not right for sure

[whiskeyman]

no point being at the front of the pack when everything behind broken

[rapidlocksmiths]

no point being at the front of the pack when everything behind broken

its good to see new coverage comming through , i got excited to see a new ford licence , though soon not so excited when i read by dump with RH850 , still a long way off a viable ford tool .

but glad to see new coverage comming through , BN015 looks useful though a new paid licence and not part of bn014 as most expected it to be , but a good addition none the less and more , suburu psa functions and trafic 3 covered , so nice round of new coverage updates .

[lupu_sandu]

So BN014 is not yet fully developed and now you are selling BN015 for exactly same thing expect higher version of SW? (BMW vehicles with BDC versions 85 and higher)
You are selling BN015 for BDC OBD like BN014 just for new BDC updated!

That is just ripoff of the customer plain and simple!

[gttuning]

So BN014 is not yet fully developed and now you are selling BN015 for exactly same thing expect higher version of SW? (BMW vehicles with BDC versions 85 and higher)
You are selling BN015 for BDC OBD like BN014 just for new BDC updated!

That is just ripoff of the customer plain and simple!Similar here..
Can't understand this..
Is abrites going to have diffrent license based on new supported software from same module??
Can't believe this..how can you make new license just to support higer software of module already Supported by this tool?.


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[qwojtus]

"its good to see new coverage comming through , i got excited to see a new ford licence , though soon not so excited when i read by dump with RH850 when so many other tools can do ford 2021+ by obd .

but glad to see new coverage comming through , BN015 looks useful though a new paid licence and not part of bn014 , but a good addition none the less"


Are you sure the Mustang Mach can be done via OBD? I had two so far and could not do spare with anything.

[Spiritech]

its good to see new coverage comming through , i got excited to see a new ford licence , though soon not so excited when i read by dump with RH850 when so many other tools can do ford 2021+ by obd .

but glad to see new coverage comming through , BN015 looks useful though a new paid licence and not part of bn014 , but a good addition none the less

Ford 2021+ yes, but not new Ranger, F150 etc. Nobody does these NU5T family BCMs for lost all or add key by OBD. And as I understand from what I've been told it is probably not possible. I'm probably going to have to get a lot better at my soldering in a very short period of time to support these cars.

I agree however, new BDC licence should have been part of the previous as an update rather than another new licence. I've raised this unnecessary creation of licences before. There is no good reason to update solutions with a paid option.

[rapidlocksmiths]

"its good to see new coverage comming through , i got excited to see a new ford licence , though soon not so excited when i read by dump with RH850 when so many other tools can do ford 2021+ by obd .

but glad to see new coverage comming through , BN015 looks useful though a new paid licence and not part of bn014 , but a good addition none the less"


Are you sure the Mustang Mach can be done via OBD? I had two so far and could not do spare with anything.

no this wasnt on the software link when i read it just seen the abrites email stating this , this one will be useful for some , though i had hoped for some fixes to make older coverage work reliably

i could understand BDC2 being a different licence , but doesnt surprise me .

[wphonetei]

hi to you all.i have avdi and i want to know if i can use it passthru to work with benz xertry C6 software to programming ecu of fbs4 cars ?
Thanks in advance

[habbyb]

So BN014 is not yet fully developed and now you are selling BN015 for exactly same thing expect higher version of SW? (BMW vehicles with BDC versions 85 and higher)
You are selling BN015 for BDC OBD like BN014 just for new BDC updated!

That is just ripoff of the customer plain and simple!

Hello everyone , abrites team again invent for new methods to make a lot of money .

[askkey]

Speaking as someone who bought the new BN014 when it came out I can say that I am rather disappointed with this new development.
I am probably not going to spring another several hundred euro and instead wait for other tools to give out the update for free as they have with the first solution.

I have the feeling that this is slowly turning into a toyota situation where you will be expected to pay every one to two months in order to be up to date and be only a few weeks ahead of other tools.
Such a business model is not sustainable since there is no way one will be able to return the investment in such a short time.

[mjoesen]

I paid 450 euro for the BN014 update I Decemberjust to get the OBD option.
Now they want 300 euro again for just some newsoftware numbers. If it was FEM by OBD then I happily paid.

This should be an update of BN014 and not a newlicense!

[solitaire]

I paid 450 euro for the BN014 update I Decemberjust to get the OBD option.
Now they want 300 euro again for just some newsoftware numbers. If it was FEM by OBD then I happily paid.

This should be an update of BN014 and not a newlicense!

you need buy "piggy bank" and prepare for a new license BN016 (new BDC sw version)
:)

vvdi2, autel users got it free

[martinez9049]

Also agree that BN015 doesn’t make any sense. Paying extra money for being ahead of other tools for 5-6 weeks makes zero sense. What the heck is going on? It’s not sustainable to support non Chinese companies if this is the business model, and trust me if I can avoid using a Chinese tool I always will. If you’re going to charge for this at least make it so other companies don’t have the same capabilities in 1 month.

[rapidlocksmiths]

with BN015 , if it works and if it is reliable it will pay back , but it really should have been part of the Bn014 licence for those with bn014 in my opinion and charge more for new customers , but its what we have come to expect and what we are used to.

theres little value in bmw , mercedes and even vag these days as the chinese seem to be very quick at adding to these and sadly they have become fairly reliable too , making some abrites licences poor value as the advantages are very short lived , for us quick payback is essential before the rest have it too and rates drop , for many they may as well wait for autel or xhorse to release it free , not a dig just the reality .

perhaps abrites should do as others have done and allow the use of licences you dont own via tokens if they want more income .

But despite the annoyances from abrites , avdi is still my most used go to tool for most as i trust it to do the job.

[tagirdn]

with BN015 , if it works and if it is reliable it will pay back , but it really should have been part of the Bn014 licence for those with bn014 in my opinion and charge more for new customers , but its what we have come to expect and what we are used to.

theres little value in bmw , mercedes and even vag these days as the chinese seem to be very quick at adding to these and sadly they have become fairly reliable too , making some abrites licences poor value as the advantages are very short lived , for us quick payback is essential before the rest have it too and rates drop , for many they may as well wait for autel or xhorse to release it free , not a dig just the reality .

perhaps abrites should do as others have done and allow the use of licences you dont own via tokens if they want more income .

But despite the annoyances from abrites , avdi is still my most used go to tool for most as i trust it to do the job.


I once had MVPPRO.
I wrote and suggested that manufacturers simply do without tokens what was being done at that time with the cheapest devices. Explaining that this will give them an influx of customers. I even conducted a small survey in which 150 of my colleagues participated. 120, were ready to buy, under such conditions.


But they only thanked me for this offer. And that was the end of it.


Therefore, I very much doubt that manufacturers will take such a step.

[rapidlocksmiths]

abrites already have a token version of the tool supplied by keyline ( STAK ) so already doing this under another tool name.

adding this facility to avdi would generate additional income for some who wont use the licence often , however will impact the sale of their licences .

i prefer to own the licence , however on something i will only use once in a blue moon id happily use a token as we used to with mqb before that bubble burst.

[whiskeyman]

abrites already have a token version of the tool supplied by keyline ( STAK ) so already doing this under another tool name.

adding this facility to avdi would generate additional income for some who wont use the licence often , however will impact the sale of their licences .

i prefer to own the licence , however on something i will only use once in a blue moon id happily use a token as we used to with mqb before that bubble burst.

i remember years ago martin
one of the main attraction of avdi
was to be token free and use at will

[rapidlocksmiths]

i prefer token free , and the use at will that we used to have offline , i remember the free to use and free updates for life which was the big attraction of avdi , however this has changed , you buy the new online licences and can use at will as long as ams up to date , no ams and your purchases cannot be used on the online ones.

though i dont see the point of owning avdi and not keeping ams up to date , but not everyone does from what i read.

the new rr027 looks interesting , not for dacia coverage as very rare i see one , but the addition of traffic 3 to this licence makes it one i can use on traffic 3 as keys start getting lost on them.

i do get that to keep developing they need a revenue stream , and development has its costs , thus need for ams , and paid for licences , but coverage additions on same system should be lumped into existing licence for those that invested in an unfinished licence .

i also find it ironic that they have the 1st coverage of a few ford models with RH850 which is great , but all that went before on ford is still badly lacking , hopefully the new team working on this will make progress on fixing the old .

the new releases are great news , how great depends on how long the advantage remains as once china releases it the rates and payback diminish for us all , making the investment in some licences poor value for some.

but as stated before i like the fact that when i pull out avdi , on the whole i know the job is getting done without the concern that cheaper tools can give.

[tagirdn]

Today I tried to make a Renault Captur2 2021. All keys are lost.
Has anyone made them?
key card.
I purchased additional license RR 022. And wires CB 012
But nothing worked out.
Connected. Went into key training. The initial program said to use an adapter.
And the inconsistencies began.
In three blocks (HFM UPC USH) that are in the manual, the colors on the pins differed.
I tried to connect to the pins that were indicated. I restarted the equipment and still everything stopped on the tab that you need to use the adapter.
I checked everything on three blocks. Not a single one went further
The blocks are all visually and in terms of connectors similar to those in the manual. The only difference is in the colors of the wires.
Apparently, the CAN pins also do not match.


I watched a lot of videos. I re-read it on the forums. I did everything right.


I read somewhere that it seems like at the end of 2020, they changed something. Therefore, we cannot do this yet.

[mjoesen]

Hi! I have no own experience with AKL Captur 19+, but I think you need a different licence, RR026

Look here: https://abrites.com/products/rr026

[tagirdn]

Kaptur 2 began production in 2019.
I watched a video on this unit.


The problem is that it is needed to read the PIN code. But then, we go back to the online menu and start again from the make keys tab. And we get to the point where you need to enter a pin.
But the problem is that in my case everything stops at the moment the CAN is connected. Also in all the videos where this scheme is used, it is clear that the CAN colors correspond to those stated in the manual. And they are even indicated on the video.


When you need to purchase something, Abritus always writes that a license is needed. In my case, it simply says connect the СAN adapter.

[rapidlocksmiths]

have you sent log files to abrites support and explained the issue , this will be your quickest route to the exact answer

[tagirdn]

All their answers are received through payment.
But even their inconsistencies are resolved at the expense of clients’ money.


At the moment, there is a discrepancy between the colors in the manual and in reality. Also, there will probably be a mismatch in the CAN pins.

[tagirdn]

But the funny thing is that there are no these logs in the folder. Although yesterday I drove this car for 5 hours.

[tagirdn]

Where are the LOG files for online? In the Abrites software for Idxxxxx folder – Log-files. They are not here.

[topclef]

Where are the LOG files for online? In the Abrites software for Idxxxxx folder – Log-files. They are not here.

for CLIO-V and Captur II all keys lost , you have to buy RR026 and RH850 Programmer to read on bench BCM or HFM to complete your job.

[tagirdn]

They announced this feature RR 022: July 22, 2021
Wrote in support. I'll take a look

RR026 This is for reading the pin code from the dump. But I watched the video on reading. There he connected to CAN. And the wires corresponded to the manual.
In my case, there is no matching of wire colors.


Buying is not a problem. But I don’t want to hear, as happens with them, that this particular machine cannot be made.

[qeso705]

Yes, the solution is to send the module but let's just make it clear that hundreds of people a day work on Toyotas and Lexuses and a very small percent of these people have trouble where we try first via teamviewer and then if not possible we ask for the module.
The Non- EU argument - our world is so globalized that you can send anything everywhere (I recently sent 40 kg of wheels to the USA for 400 EURO). Yes, it takes time but there is nothing else on the table.
MQBs are all supported, after next week we will be able to shoot a video with a Q3 AKL 2023 - we have the support and we have the skillset. Please try to discuss perticular issues without generalization.
Here are the statistics - we find 2-3 unsupported Toyota and we barely have any unsupported dashes for MQB. We just added yet another RH850 dash tested yesterday.
Please tell me a particular issue I can look into your interaction with support, perhaps there is something we could have done better.

Can you point me a link to your video from mistic AKL solution? It is almost two month ago. In the meantime your 2-3 unsupported Toyota did change to new fake B9(such key dont exist) 1500Eur license.

[helper786]

Avdi failed to do a wv up 2016 akl. Tried several times didn’t work. Logs are sent. I remember doing these before without any problems now doesn’t work.

Also seat ibiza 2012 didn’t detect ecu directly from special function ecu . Kept on detecting it as me7 when it was mm4hv .

These are issues meant to be resolved long time ago alekn

[hollanda]

Vw Up, have you try by obd or dump.

[helper786]

Vw Up, have you try by obd or dump.

Obd with mm clocks

[hollanda]

Obd with mm clocks

if it’s facelift you must do this by dump.
No tool can this by obd.

[helper786]

if it’s facelift you must do this by dump.
No tool can this by obd.

This wasn’t the facelift still on mk1

[hollanda]

This wasn’t the facelift still on mk1

what’s the part number of the cluster?

[helper786]

what’s the part number of the cluster?

Moved on now, wasn’t the clocks anyway the precoding was incorrect

[gttuning]

F10 2013 cas4 ..
Ews manager.
Clear milage by obd worked perfec..
All flashing processes went flawless..

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[askkey]

Has anyone else encountered this ?

While using the Online Renault software during the scanning of all modules the car goes mad with beeps and lights all of a sudden. And not in the usual, one module at a time way but all the lights and errors show up at the same time. And it doesn't stop when I stop the scanning or even when I exit the software. I have to remove the interface OBD connection to the car for the warnings to stop.

My guess is that the whole CAN network goes down for whatever reason due to the interface interference. The DTCs in the modules after the lightshow seem to substentiate my guess as they are all communication issues related.
That has happened several times with the online software which I don't use often.
Is this a known bug ?
The last time I used the online software several month ago it happened with a Clio 4 and Megane 4. I hoped that it was something server related and hoped it would be fixed soon but it happened again yesterday with a 453 Smart.

I can say for sure it doesn't really istill confidence in the online software. The offline software works without an issue but is a bit slower when scaning and clearing DTCs.

[AlekN]

Where are the LOG files for online? In the Abrites software for Idxxxxx folder – Log-files. They are not here.

Online software has logs on the server, this allows us to do proactive troubleshooting. The online software also has what is called local log - the one from your pc, we will tell you where to find them should we need them to resolve your issue.

[qeso705]

Online software has logs on the server, this allows us to do proactive troubleshooting. The online software also has what is called local log - the one from your pc, we will tell you where to find them should we need them to resolve your issue.

Can you supply us answer on own statements which sadly, at current looks like cheap lies?

[whiskeyman]

having just purchased th RR022 was impressed how smooth the whole operation was
now thinking of adding the RH850/V850 and rro26

so looks like its 1000 quid to do this
bit steep for me this one for the few jobs that i have seen all keys lost especially on new cars
hopefully at some point will come down in price

[Ecuprog31]

Bcm Captur 2
ive read mcu with abrites programmer
but can’t find immo data
it’s an akl

[vialli]

The RR026 package does not cover all cars, but only a part of them...


993202

[Ecuprog31]

So I can’t extract immo data ?

[tagirdn]

Bcm Captur 2
ive read mcu with abrites programmer
but can’t find immo data
it’s an akl

I extracted the pin for Captur 2 2022 from the HFM unit. You solder and read. After reading, you will be shown a pin code.

[Ecuprog31]

no immo data found in this module

[tagirdn]

is this car with manual key or smart card ?

[Ecuprog31]

It’s card system

[tagirdn]

Online software has logs on the server, this allows us to do proactive troubleshooting. The online software also has what is called local log - the one from your pc, we will tell you where to find them should we need them to resolve your issue.

Hello. Just today I did a Berlingo Citroen 2020. When rewriting the BCM, a problem occurred.
The data has been collated. Afterwards, erasing began. And at that moment the cable was disconnected.
Now there is a birlingo corpse.
Question. Where is the saved data stored?
This is all in the online version.
Thank you.

[rapidlocksmiths]

Hello. Just today I did a Berlingo Citroen 2020. When rewriting the BCM, a problem occurred.
The data has been collated. Afterwards, erasing began. And at that moment the cable was disconnected.
Now there is a birlingo corpse.
Question. Where is the saved data stored?
This is all in the online version.
Thank you.

have you watched the video alekn put up on the bsi restore procedure for this situation on psa ? have you tried this ? it shows you where the files are stored and which you need .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vppa0LBF7Pc&t=132s , watch the video and try , see if this fixes your issue .

failing that you need to contact your abrites support team to assist you

[tagirdn]

I watched this video. But the problem is that in the Documents folder, my device number, PSA, there is no this saved data.

[rapidlocksmiths]

then i suggest you contact abrites support they should be able to help

[tagirdn]

The point is not to contact them.
The point is, why not save the data on the computer?
So that everything could be restored at once.

[rapidlocksmiths]

Online software has logs on the server, this allows us to do proactive troubleshooting. The online software also has what is called local log - the one from your pc, we will tell you where to find them should we need them to resolve your issue.

that is of course a good question , after all the video Alekn made does show you to get the logs from the folder in your documents , but if not there why not and this makes the video misslleading ?

reading alekn comment above suggests that logs are now stored online on their server , and that they will tell us where to find them if they need them , which is odd as limits us being able to rectify an issue if we get one , so a question for AlekN is how do we fix these issues without the log files ? and why has this facility been removed as your video shows we should have them in documents ?

the point in contacting them is valid , as how else do you find the log files to repair your berlingo ?

i suspect you will be waiting some time for a response from AlekN as its show season for them and hes away at trade shows around europe , so the fastest solution is to contact abrites support

[whiskeyman]

that is of course a good question , after all the video Alekn made does show you to get the logs from the folder in your documents , but if not there why not and this makes the video misslleading ?

reading alekn comment above suggests that logs are now stored online on their server , and that they will tell us where to find them if they need them , which is odd as limits us being able to rectify an issue if we get one , so a question for AlekN is how do we fix these issues without the log files ? and why has this facility been removed as your video shows we should have them in documents ?

the point in contacting them is valid , as how else do you find the log files to repair your berlingo ?

i suspect you will be waiting some time for a response from AlekN as its show season for them and hes away at trade shows around europe , so the fastest solution is to contact abrites support

good luck with that one

[mjoesen]

Hi Tagirdn!

Do you run Avdi as administrator? I had this problem with Truecode long time ago with missing logfiles when I did not run it as a administrstor. Maybe the same issue?

[gttuning]

Hello. Just today I did a Berlingo Citroen 2020. When rewriting the BCM, a problem occurred.
The data has been collated. Afterwards, erasing began. And at that moment the cable was disconnected.
Now there is a birlingo corpse.
Question. Where is the saved data stored?
This is all in the online version.
Thank you.Its on your pc ..
In log file ..
Else avdi changed something..

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[tagirdn]

In 12 years, I contacted support 2 times.
And then, it was for shopping. As you can see from one of my posts in this thread.


Saved files removed from the user's computer will result in a call to support.
And this entails paying for help. Because it's paid.
I'm not against paid help when it's really needed.


But for example, in this case, everything could have been resolved within an hour.


Backup files are something that simply must remain with the user.

[fred77]

In 12 years, I contacted support 2 times.
And then, it was for shopping. As you can see from one of my posts in this thread.


Saved files removed from the user's computer will result in a call to support.
And this entails paying for help. Because it's paid.
I'm not against paid help when it's really needed.


But for example, in this case, everything could have been resolved within an hour.


Backup files are something that simply must remain with the user.

Not connived we actually have backup files in all cases what was this on?

dont bother with tech support

[rapidlocksmiths]

Not connived we actually have backup files in all cases what was this on?

dont bother with tech support

he has a 2020 berlingo as stated in his original post . lead got detached during reading and bricked. where abrites video on recovering bsi shows you where to locate the back up files he has no files there , so either elsewhere or somethings changed since video.

[autoTkey]

Hello. Just today I did a Berlingo Citroen 2020. When rewriting the BCM, a problem occurred.
The data has been collated. Afterwards, erasing began. And at that moment the cable was disconnected.
Now there is a birlingo corpse.
Question. Where is the saved data stored?
This is all in the online version.
Thank you.

It happens to me from time to time - AVDI just looses connection to the PC for unknown reason. Issue of the AVDI or it's drivers - nothing was physically disconnected. Thankfully the backup has always been at the right place in each case until now. It also happens when working online and someone calls you on the 2nd cellular line and it brakes the 4g/5g connection of your primary sim card... Again restoring backup from the Documents folder saved me. Really unstable work lately. This could all be prevented with a standalone device with it's own sim card which has data plan. Unfortunately Abrites does not have plans for such device.

I hope support will solve your problem.

[gttuning]

Twice happen to me..
Once recently and in both ocations I had buckups om my laptop..

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[u.s]

Has anyone tried the ELV OFF function on Audi Q5 BCM2.
Have a car with defective ELV.

[mbedv]

I would like to make the MQB speedometers (RH850/V850). Is that all I need to buy or have I forgotten something? I just want to change the mileage first. I don't have anything from Abrites yet. Many Thanks!

SKU: PKG_AVDI - 1088,00€ Interface
SKU: ZN085 - 550,00€ Programmer
SKU: VN007 - 500,00€ Software Mileage

[offsystem]

I would like to make the MQB speedometers (RH850/V850). Is that all I need to buy or have I forgotten something? I just want to change the mileage first. I don't have anything from Abrites yet. Many Thanks!

SKU: PKG_AVDI - 1088,00€ Interface
SKU: ZN085 - 550,00€ Programmer
SKU: VN007 - 500,00€ Software Mileage

abrites can'T write RH850 just read so no km change is possible

[solitaire]

the hacking process is currently underway. In a few weeks, when in vvdi2, autel, smok, xtool, and others will add it for free, Abrites will announce: !!! FIRST IN THE WORLD !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piOQ8r37-pE&t=2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE32lGW-q84

[mbedv]

What I don't understand is why does Abrites advertise this programmer when they can't do anything like the others? So the RH850 CPUs won't write. I did the other JC V850 CPUs with Smok without any problems...Poldiag were also the first with the V850 CPUs, like now with the RH850

Thank you very much, that would soon have cost me pointless money

[gttuning]

What I don't understand is why does Abrites advertise this programmer when they can't do anything like the others? So the RH850 CPUs won't write. I did the other JC V850 CPUs with Smok without any problems...Poldiag were also the first with the V850 CPUs, like now with the RH850

Thank you very much, that would soon have cost me pointless moneyBecause they want to sell thier product that they have for sale.. thats why company's advertise things..
If you would like to sell your car ..can you not advertise it because of someone else is selling same car..??.


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[fred77]

I've heard plenty of Smok issues

And their just as money grabbing with no tech support

[mbedv]

I just thought that Abrites could do something with their new RH850/V850 programmer that others couldn't, that's how the videos were shown and luckily I didn't fall for it through this forum. I think some people thought they could write the RH850 processor and right now no one can except probably Keymaster Poldiag.

[lush29]

I just thought that Abrites could do something with their new RH850/V850 programmer that others couldn't, that's how the videos were shown and luckily I didn't fall for it through this forum. I think some people thought they could write the RH850 processor, and right now no one can except probably Keymaster Poldiag.

Rh850 prog no need to cut trace or lift pin .that's the difference from others... and of course, price .
We all knew that when we bought it is not writing RH850 (no tool was able to do it) .
I have it. I did more than 10 so far, and I can say it is 100% , so I don't understand what you talking about?? You Don't even have this tool, but you say is bad ???



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[mbedv]

And the fact that you can't write them isn't explicitly mentioned in any video, it's just about reading and I know some people who thought that!

[james44000]

Hello to all, I have a question about Ford odometer function does it work good or not? I have to do one mondeo 2019 is it ok for this car?
thank you

[Matronix]

little warning when updating your licenses.... look for prices in the list yourself, don't let 'sales' give you an offer. The option to calculate 'your price' if you already have modules does not work (not in all cases at least). I just filled in on my bmw licenses. Could not auto calc what my price would be regarding the fact I already had one of the licenses. Got an offer for do all left overs... thought ok but now I look into the list and a full BMW license is 3k .. while I paid more while having a module already! They may fix that after mailing them but just to be ahead of such things... better not to rely too blindly on their sales department (!)

[qwojtus]

How do I do " calculate the price " myself?


little warning when updating your licenses.... look for prices in the list yourself, don't let 'sales' give you an offer. The option to calculate 'your price' if you already have modules does not work (not in all cases at least). I just filled in on my bmw licenses. Could not auto calc what my price would be regarding the fact I already had one of the licenses. Got an offer for do all left overs... thought ok but now I look into the list and a full BMW license is 3k .. while I paid more while having a module already! They may fix that after mailing them but just to be ahead of such things... better not to rely too blindly on their sales department (!)

[skinsh]

Hello!
Audi A6C7 2012.
Problem with the Airbag module, tried with the component protection and cannot virgine, requires the Gateway module from car where aibag module coms.
I bought both modules from one car and cannot make a Virgine. the eeprom read from the gateway does not work (I read as
AT25640). Need to read flash from Gateway? or how to read GATEWAY with abrites on bench or throuh obd?

[Matronix]

How do I do " calculate the price " myself? -- just look into their pricelist... the sum of what you buy will be cheaper then the offer they make you if you ask - normally you can fill in your avdi nr and system will calculate your price for the extra's but that did not work for me , it just is a bug in their system

[qwojtus]

Abrites say "Groundbreaking RH850 programmer" developed by very clever guy, there is nothing better in the market. Many users reporting lots of failure especially RH850 processor reading. We know clearly it is unable to write those processors but looking at the videos it all looks very easy at reading.
Where is the truth?

[fred77]

How's new fiat 2021 looking?
Lost n spare keys


I had to do a keyless one by passthro and dealer ordered key, but now have a standard 500 spare key. Autel said use Secure Gateway bypass cable but believe BCM integrated now.
Cheers

[gttuning]

E60 2005 cas2
Online..Read cas ok..enter key mode ok..
Put new key into protag..program key ok ..Done..
No start...[emoji2369][emoji2369]..
Went to offline..Read cas..ok..want to program keys by protag..error can't see programer [emoji2369]..

Is there any trick in this to work.?

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[askkey]

E60 2005 cas2
Online..Read cas ok..enter key mode ok..
Put new key into protag..program key ok ..Done..
No start...[emoji2369][emoji2369]..
Went to offline..Read cas..ok..want to program keys by protag..error can't see programer [emoji2369]..

Is there any trick in this to work.?

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Yes, you need to use the old tag programmer that connects to the interface instead of the new one over USB for the offline BMW software.
The online BMW software was the first online software developed so they sadly never updated the offline version to use the new programmer.

Alternatively, you can attempt to program over the ignition switch using the offline software.

[habbyb]

Yes, you need to use the old tag programmer that connects to the interface instead of the new one over USB for the offline BMW software.
The online BMW software was the first online software developed so they sadly never updated the offline version to use the new programmer.

Alternatively, you can attempt to program over the ignition switch using the offline software.

he wants the valid key in programing keys for cas1 and cas2 , I never understood , succes .

[AlekN]

And the fact that you can't write them isn't explicitly mentioned in any video, it's just about reading and I know some people who thought that!
It has been announced in the blog, numerous times, the manual also contains this information, it makes sense that we do not make videos of writing when we do not support it

[rapidlocksmiths]

How's new fiat 2021 looking?
Lost n spare keys


I had to do a keyless one by passthro and dealer ordered key, but now have a standard 500 spare key. Autel said use Secure Gateway bypass cable but believe BCM integrated now.
Cheers

Steve , if you read the blog posts on abrites site you will see exactly where they are with these newer 500E models , rh850 ZN085 programmer is needed https://abrites.com/blog/cinquecento-the-brightest-flame-burns-quickest-or-does-it

for 500 models 2020 + including 2023 models , this is already covered in fn022 licence and CB019 cable but im told oem key is required as aftermarket remotes wont work correctly , but ive not tried an aftermarket key on them.

for ducato after 2020 you can prepare key by dump already , you need to read dump with abprog , https://abrites.com/news/abrites-diagnostics-for-fiat-chrysler-automobiles-version-8-9

this is where they are at with the later fiat models at present .

[autoTkey]

It has been announced in the blog, numerous times, the manual also contains this information, it makes sense that we do not make videos of writing when we do not support it

So, for example, will it ever be possible to write R7F701407 (the one from your video for RH850)?

[qeso705]

It has been announced in the blog, numerous times, the manual also contains this information, it makes sense that we do not make videos of writing when we do not support it

Can you answer on your own statement which looks like a big lie at current? https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/639459-gt-gt-gt-gt-gt-NEW-AVDI-PROBLEMS-AND-SOLUTIONS-ONLY-THREAD-lt-lt-lt-lt-lt?p=4623218&viewfull=1#post4623218

[fred77]

Steve , if you read the blog posts on abrites site you will see exactly where they are with these newer 500E models , rh850 ZN085 programmer is needed https://abrites.com/blog/cinquecento-the-brightest-flame-burns-quickest-or-does-it

for 500 models 2020 + including 2023 models , this is already covered in fn022 licence and CB019 cable but im told oem key is required as aftermarket remotes wont work correctly , but ive not tried an aftermarket key on them.

for ducato after 2020 you can prepare key by dump already , you need to read dump with abprog , https://abrites.com/news/abrites-diagnostics-for-fiat-chrysler-automobiles-version-8-9

this is where they are at with the later fiat models at present .



Thanks, for everybody out there Abrites is ahead of Autel and others on Fiat

Well done!

[fred77]

Can you answer on your own statement which looks like a big lie at current? https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/639459-gt-gt-gt-gt-gt-NEW-AVDI-PROBLEMS-AND-SOLUTIONS-ONLY-THREAD-lt-lt-lt-lt-lt?p=4623218&viewfull=1#post4623218



These cars are getting harder to reverse engineer mate for the developers you know this game has limited life -almost seem!

VAG is rubbish AKL look at not just ABrites.
Toyota has solution we plug directly into module i did new 1 last month Xhorse prox

[rapidlocksmiths]

Thanks, for everybody out there Abrites is ahead of Autel and others on Fiat

Well done!

they are ahead on Fiat , psa and renault for sure these are the jewel in their crown still and i still love their vauxhall software , ford we know was a total waste of the money we paid them and is the one that leaves a bad taste , abrites will always offer some advantages over rest but as we know at a high cost , the rest are catching up though especially china , obdstar has very good psa and renault coverage , lonsdor has excellent toyota coverage , autel catching up on many makes and models , this of course means the price cutters lower rates on alot more , resulting in making payback harder to achieve on abrites high prices.

for me the issue going forward is that many stop buying the expensive softwares prefering good old china as they have to compete in their own market against the price cutters , if we stop buying then the developers stop developing , its a vicious circle , abrites then give more and more licences away that we paid a high price for to attract new customers , lower prices on new functions to new customers expecting old customers to pay higher to have the same coverage as the new customer , the future looks bleak.

in an ideal world abrites would still have profitable advantages over the rest , still be expensive to all as can do what cheaper units cannot do what they can and abrites owners would still have huge advantages and abrites would bring ford up to at least the same level as the china machines , though the real world has seen us all invest in autel , lonsdor obdstar , halkyard tech , tdb1000 etc instead , it aint an ideal world and abrites runs the risk of becomming an expensive luxury for many.

but for psa , renault and fca abrites its worth its money , i still update whats great and gives payback on abrites and have a soft spot for the tool and i trust it on what its my go to tool on , i think alot of tool makers are not realising that the market we serve is getting less profitable by the day and the china units command vaster sales due to this, surprisingly IEA are and their zedfull plus is far far cheaper to compete , i said id never buy zedfull after the zedbull fiasco , but its creeping onto my radar as there software has always been good.

but the tool thats winning on popularity and coverage at present is undoubtably Autel , though its china and anything can happen and go tits up at any time , tools like osca on the rise on newer cars and with this sermi scheme opening up access to dealership log ins , things are changing again , with silca now able to clone mqb keys , its only a matter of time before others including china can do same and £80 spares hit market place , future may be bleak in some areas but interesting in others and throwing up new challenges and hurdles as it unfolds.

[Spiritech]

they are ahead on Fiat , psa and renault for sure these are the jewel in their crown still and i still love their vauxhall software , ford we know was a total waste of the money we paid them and is the one that leaves a bad taste , abrites will always offer some advantages over rest but as we know at a high cost , the rest are catching up though especially china , obdstar has very good psa and renault coverage , lonsdor has excellent toyota coverage , autel catching up on many makes and models , this of course means the price cutters lower rates on alot more , resulting in making payback harder to achieve on abrites high prices.

for me the issue going forward is that many stop buying the expensive softwares prefering good old china as they have to compete in their own market against the price cutters , if we stop buying then the developers stop developing , its a vicious circle , abrites then give more and more licences away that we paid a high price for to attract new customers , lower prices on new functions to new customers expecting old customers to pay higher to have the same coverage as the new customer , the future looks bleak.

in an ideal world abrites would still have profitable advantages over the rest , still be expensive to all as can do what cheaper units cannot do what they can and abrites owners would still have huge advantages and abrites would bring ford up to at least the same level as the china machines , though the real world has seen us all invest in autel , lonsdor obdstar , halkyard tech , tdb1000 etc instead , it aint an ideal world and abrites runs the risk of becomming an expensive luxury for many.

but for psa , renault and fca abrites its worth its money , i still update whats great and gives payback on abrites and have a soft spot for the tool and i trust it on what its my go to tool on , i think alot of tool makers are not realising that the market we serve is getting less profitable by the day and the china units command vaster sales due to this, surprisingly IEA are and their zedfull plus is far far cheaper to compete , i said id never buy zedfull after the zedbull fiasco , but its creeping onto my radar as there software has always been good.

but the tool thats winning on popularity and coverage at present is undoubtably Autel , though its china and anything can happen and go tits up at any time , tools like osca on the rise on newer cars and with this sermi scheme opening up access to dealership log ins , things are changing again , with silca now able to clone mqb keys , its only a matter of time before others including china can do same and £80 spares hit market place , future may be bleak in some areas but interesting in others and throwing up new challenges and hurdles as it unfolds.

All of these are valid points but the major issue with Abrites and AVDI is the support when you are paying these premium prices for software and you get no support or worse yet a support that is barely worth mentioning. I could cop paying a high price for licences or tokens or whatever the cost is if there was a support structure when something goes wrong. The fact is AVDI/Abrites support is just absolute garbage in my experience. I can pay a couple grand for a tool with wide coverage with no support, but when I'm paying a few grand for a licence to do a couple cars with zero or minimal support this is not okay. This is made doubly bad when the marketing makes it appear to be 100% reliable when it is anything but. I had major issues with the Abrites SPS system just not being fit for purpose under my previous employer and that has soured me on AVDI/Abrities in general.

[rapidlocksmiths]

Spiritech , some companies do support well and some dont , although i dont like to see too much spoon feeding , i do think up to date coverage lists are a must which abrites dont do , this surprises me as they spend alot of time trying to attract new customers with cheap deals , alot of these are not experienced with avdi and many wont be experienced in the job these days , they have no idea what a licence can do and cant do , what models and year it goes up to etc , forums are cluttered with can it do this or that.

look at AD , there mykeys site gives on the whole clear and concise info on what is covered and what is not , tips and hints model to model and video tutorials for there less experienced customers .

alek has been releasing alot of videos on avdi fan and abrites site , and the manuals have improved on what they were , but coverage lists are almost no existent , this support is the most basic area of support , if this cant be managed correctly then you know the rest wont be top draw , even within the marketing , explanations are often unclear , look at the bad feeling over rh850 , i have had at least 12 enquiries on the new RR027 licence on forums asking if traffic 3 is done by obd, no video , or on bench as unclear , on this thread an experienced locksmith was not aware that avdi can do fiat 500 bladed after 2020 all by obd as its not clear and no videos.

ok people are lazy and dont always read the manuals , but coverage data and clear honest descriptions would help , if a premium price then it should indeed be premium support , better than the cheaper competitors , which i agree its not.

surely abrites must realise that clear on descriptions help and videos on new coverage help sell more product , its all about the details . instead you must pay sps so you can ask if a model is covered by a licence .

clarity , honesty and detail is where they need to concentrate , especially as they seek to attract the new start ups with there offers. i have been an abrites customer for 15 years so am used to the goal posts being moved and the issues.

though with above said , i must also state that the paid support from my distributor has always been quick and been correct , i havnt had to use it often but when i have kap have always come through quickly and accurately , so not all bad.

[fred77]

All of these are valid points but the major issue with Abrites and AVDI is the support when you are paying these premium prices for software and you get no support or worse yet a support that is barely worth mentioning. I could cop paying a high price for licences or tokens or whatever the cost is if there was a support structure when something goes wrong. The fact is AVDI/Abrites support is just absolute garbage in my experience. I can pay a couple grand for a tool with wide coverage with no support, but when I'm paying a few grand for a licence to do a couple cars with zero or minimal support this is not okay. This is made doubly bad when the marketing makes it appear to be 100% reliable when it is anything but. I had major issues with the Abrites SPS system just not being fit for purpose under my previous employer and that has soured me on AVDI/Abrities in general.

Tho I can't think of any manufacturer offering free or decent tech support apart from autohex.
Maybe someone has positive experience?


What Martin said true, I struggled in past to warrant Abrites Fiat update due to payback -
Autel coverage excellent combined with increased competition from under-cutters in my area. For example the local scrap yard argued over £10 - Ten bloody pounds!!
Trouble is there's 3 other people in my near-area all doing the same.

So when an expensive software update happens i really have to calculate payback as we all.

Indeed Abrites is excellent on Fiat and PSA and no doubt Renault (went down SmartPro route with renault)
Will maintain updates on those systems

Really pleased customer :)

[rapidlocksmiths]

Fred77 , payback is exactly the issue for many , take RR027 that covera later dacia models and traffic 3 bladed , priced at £957 , now traffic 3 bladed alone potentially will pay that back quickly so could be a very good buy , as long as autel , smart pro and obdstar dont have it within a few months , if they do then rates drop and payback becomes far harder .

payback is my benchmark , i look at how long after abrites it takes other main players like smart pro and iea take to release and then how long till china have it , as once china has it the rates we can earn half , if i believe i can get quick payback i buy , if not then i dont.

i am a very happy abrites customer on many functions , but also annoyed at some functions , frustrated with some and disgusted with a few such as ford that i paid alot for and still waiting for the promised fix to this .

its all about payback potential to justify cost in todays market place

[Spiritech]

Spiritech , some companies do support well and some dont , although i dont like to see too much spoon feeding , i do think up to date coverage lists are a must which abrites dont do , this surprises me as they spend alot of time trying to attract new customers with cheap deals , alot of these are not experienced with avdi and many wont be experienced in the job these days , they have no idea what a licence can do and cant do , what models and year it goes up to etc , forums are cluttered with can it do this or that.

look at AD , there mykeys site gives on the whole clear and concise info on what is covered and what is not , tips and hints model to model and video tutorials for there less experienced customers .

alek has been releasing alot of videos on avdi fan and abrites site , and the manuals have improved on what they were , but coverage lists are almost no existent , this support is the most basic area of support , if this cant be managed correctly then you know the rest wont be top draw , even within the marketing , explanations are often unclear , look at the bad feeling over rh850 , i have had at least 12 enquiries on the new RR027 licence on forums asking if traffic 3 is done by obd, no video , or on bench as unclear , on this thread an experienced locksmith was not aware that avdi can do fiat 500 bladed after 2020 all by obd as its not clear and no videos.

ok people are lazy and dont always read the manuals , but coverage data and clear honest descriptions would help , if a premium price then it should indeed be premium support , better than the cheaper competitors , which i agree its not.

surely abrites must realise that clear on descriptions help and videos on new coverage help sell more product , its all about the details . instead you must pay sps so you can ask if a model is covered by a licence .

clarity , honesty and detail is where they need to concentrate , especially as they seek to attract the new start ups with there offers. i have been an abrites customer for 15 years so am used to the goal posts being moved and the issues.

though with above said , i must also state that the paid support from my distributor has always been quick and been correct , i havnt had to use it often but when i have kap have always come through quickly and accurately , so not all bad.


I am the type of person that I read the manual fully before attempting to use a product, and Abrities manuals especially just after the release of a product are sorely lacking in details. I just think Abrities in general should provide some level of support with the purchase of the licence rather than a separate purchase for support. The licences are expensive enough to subsidise the support infrastructure. And when you call upon support it should be more helpful than 'this happened, you're SOL'. I rarely need support nowadays but when I did it was nearly useless. I was told I kicked the OBD port while I provided photographic evidence of me working outside of the car which I almost always do unless a procedure requires me to be in the car.

Anyway this all occurred under my previous employer but these experiences have truly soured me on Abrites products and I can't justify spending the money upfront on these licences when the product isn't supported properly and comes at such a high price. And seeing the unnecessary creation of licences for the change of key password for example Toyota just really isn't good in my eyes.

I think Abrites really need to look at their whole business model, their licence charges are far too high considering you must pay for AMS & SPS should you need absolutely anything from them. I'd like to have an AVDI again because I know it works on SOME applications really, really well but I have other tools that do things I do daily so much better like Ford. There are also major steps which need to be made in the support section where they must scrutinise issues more carefully rather than just throwing canned responses at people.

[rapidlocksmiths]

This sadly has always been the downfall of abrites , when they was the only really player in town they got away with it , now things are levelling up on this they need to level up , though i doubt they will . with some licences you really cannot get better , but with others you can and with some you can get far better , ford being the main one.

abrites i feel got far to used to being number 1 , just like AD of old , sadly being number 1 doesnt last , when things slip one must try harder , this they havnt accepted this yet

without it you do miss out on some great software , but your bank balance may well thank you , for years we have tried to make them aware of this , but almost always falls on deaf ears . dont be put off it as a tool , it really is top dog on some things , ok on others but sadly is very poor on some , the secret is knowing what it is superior in and what it is not , they wont change .

but if needing or expecting value and support then it may not be the tool for many , but even so for some applications you cant get a better tool .

AlekN has improved the manuals , he has put up alot of videos and he has helped members here , so has improved some support areas , but still plenty more to do. it seems there marketting and support are not interlinked , for instance for me it makes sense to release videos on new functions as released , take RR027 covering traffic 3 bladed , now this is a widely sold van and one most of us see alot , so is a licence many of us can use and get payback on , when releasing such a potentially popular licence it makes sense to have a video and details in the manual to promote this licence .
there is confusion , i have spent a while chatting to a locksmith in israel who is stuck on a kangoo 3 2020 model , he thought as he had rr022 he could do this , but rr022 covers keyless models and doesnt cover kangoo 3 , for kangoo 3 rr027 is needed as well as cb021 , this info is there but awkward for some to find and understand .

with regards support , yes i pay this annually via my distributor in uk , i havnt had to use it often , but i cannot fault it when i have had to use it , kap have always been quick to respond and always sorted it , i think everyones experience differs as every distributor differs in knowledge and execution , with kap they do solve most quickly , what they cant gets refered to abrites but still to date for me at least has been resolved , so i cannot critisise the support as for me its been adequate and good when needed.

alot can be improved from abrites end on videos and in the manuals , prices are the prices , of course id like them to be cheaper than they are , but , i look at a licence and determine if i can get quick payback before the rest and china have it , if the answer is yes then i buy it , if the answer is no i dont , payback is my only real deciding factor , for me some licences are excellent value and some are poor value for money , yes they get you in end as release a licence that you want but to use it you must also buy earlier licences , so in the end they get you .

dont be put off owning what is good if you can get payback , just avoid what is poor or wont pay you back.

spiritech your a clever guy and experienced in what you do , you will do well with abrites for what you can use it on and get payback on , it will at times frustrate you , it will make you poorer but it will also earn for you , abrites will frustrate and on occasion infuriate you , they do often make very strange decisions and do pull some strokes , but this has improved to what it was , personally i get frustrated with them but id still rather have the tool on my van than not have it .

[fred77]

I am the type of person that I read the manual fully before attempting to use a product, and Abrities manuals especially just after the release of a product are sorely lacking in details. I just think Abrities in general should provide some level of support with the purchase of the licence rather than a separate purchase for support. The licences are expensive enough to subsidise the support infrastructure. And when you call upon support it should be more helpful than 'this happened, you're SOL'. I rarely need support nowadays but when I did it was nearly useless. I was told I kicked the OBD port while I provided photographic evidence of me working outside of the car which I almost always do unless a procedure requires me to be in the car.

Anyway this all occurred under my previous employer but these experiences have truly soured me on Abrites products and I can't justify spending the money upfront on these licences when the product isn't supported properly and comes at such a high price. And seeing the unnecessary creation of licences for the change of key password for example Toyota just really isn't good in my eyes.

I think Abrites really need to look at their whole business model, their licence charges are far too high considering you must pay for AMS & SPS should you need absolutely anything from them. I'd like to have an AVDI again because I know it works on SOME applications really, really well but I have other tools that do things I do daily so much better like Ford. There are also major steps which need to be made in the support section where they must scrutinise issues more carefully rather than just throwing canned responses at people.


what if your asked to do a 2020 fiat 500?
do you turn job away or do you have another kit for this?

Flip side of argument is your only-as-good-as last job and plenty of others can replace me, you n martin.


Potentially long-term customer lost over lack of investment

[Spiritech]

what if your asked to do a 2020 fiat 500?
do you turn job away or do you have another kit for this?

Flip side of argument is your only-as-good-as last job and plenty of others can replace me, you n martin.


Potentially long-term customer lost over lack of investment

Not a common car here. I might get an enquiry maybe once every 2 years for a Fiat. Australia is a very different market to Europe, I get mainly Asian brands like Toyota and now quite a bit of Chinese cars as well. Hell BMW and Mercedes are more common than Fiat out here.

[rapidlocksmiths]

Not a common car here. I might get an enquiry maybe once every 2 years for a Fiat. Australia is a very different market to Europe, I get mainly Asian brands like Toyota and now quite a bit of Chinese cars as well. Hell BMW and Mercedes are more common than Fiat out here.

and you get to work in sunshine , i do envy you this . the chinese cars are growing in popularity now and id guess the chinese programmers should rule this market , abrites has good toyota coverage but so does a number of cheaper options like lonsdor and autel , hyundai and kia abrites is good but so are other tools .

we often dont understand the vast differences in what we see in different continents , my day in uk will differ greatly to yours in the sun , yes im envious.

[Spiritech]

and you get to work in sunshine , i do envy you this . the chinese cars are growing in popularity now and id guess the chinese programmers should rule this market , abrites has good toyota coverage but so does a number of cheaper options like lonsdor and autel , hyundai and kia abrites is good but so are other tools .

we often dont understand the vast differences in what we see in different continents , my day in uk will differ greatly to yours in the sun , yes im envious.

Only for a few months of the year! I'm in Melbourne, the second coldest and second wettest capital city in Australia. But yes today was nice and sunny 30 degrees centigrade. Nice cruisy day with a CAS2 BMW AKL and a cluster swap on a MK5 Golf on top of the usual spare keys for Toyotas and such.

The market differences can be really quite stark, and the differences manufacturers build into markets is even worse. Hyundai Kia didn't even put immo on their cars in the US until a couple years ago! Where you guys see Fiat Iveco etc I see Toyota, Hyundai, Kia. Even Ford EU passenger cars are relatively rare here with Focus and Mondeo being uncommon. Tomorrow's run is 2x Mazda, 3x Toyota, 2x Honda, 1x Mitsubishi, 1x LDV/Maxus and 1 VW to give you a slice of my daily life.

[fred77]

Only for a few months of the year! I'm in Melbourne, the second coldest and second wettest capital city in Australia. But yes today was nice and sunny 30 degrees centigrade. Nice cruisy day with a CAS2 BMW AKL and a cluster swap on a MK5 Golf on top of the usual spare keys for Toyotas and such.

The market differences can be really quite stark, and the differences manufacturers build into markets is even worse. Hyundai Kia didn't even put immo on their cars in the US until a couple years ago! Where you guys see Fiat Iveco etc I see Toyota, Hyundai, Kia. Even Ford EU passenger cars are relatively rare here with Focus and Mondeo being uncommon. Tomorrow's run is 2x Mazda, 3x Toyota, 2x Honda, 1x Mitsubishi, 1x LDV/Maxus and 1 VW to give you a slice of my daily life.

Bloody cold and if not wet, in UK for 6 months

Spend my fair share traveling each day n stuck in Traffic. today 2 Peugeot Vans, Fiat 500, VW T5, and old Honda.

Mynot get all done - Yesterday old Ford Focus AKL was a bugger I'd run out of ID60 and forgot required 3 keys. Silly mistake but dark n pee'ing down job takes longer.

Melbourne sounds lovely

[gttuning]

I tryed today qdd key to A6 2014 ..
Have working key.
Two new keys from dealer.
It reads bcm immo data ok..but won't add two new keys ..only will add the one that was a working key..
Why is this like that?

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[askkey]

I tryed today qdd key to A6 2014 ..
Have working key.
Two new keys from dealer.
It reads bcm immo data ok..but won't add two new keys ..only will add the one that was a working key..
Why is this like that?

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It can be because of several reasons.
Maybe the keys were ordered blank instead of prepared for the car. Did you check if the car recognizes the key as dealer in the live data ?
If they are not recognized as dealer then check if they are unlocked. If they are unlocked prepare them as dealer and try again.
If they are locked then maybe the data in the car was changed at some point. You can unlock the keys by writing new firmware to them and then prepare them as dealer and program them.

[gttuning]

I checked..and they r locked..
I use odis tomorrow to see ..

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[gttuning]

It can be because of several reasons.
Maybe the keys were ordered blank instead of prepared for the car. Did you check if the car recognizes the key as dealer in the live data ?
If they are not recognized as dealer then check if they are unlocked. If they are unlocked prepare them as dealer and try again.
If they are locked then maybe the data in the car was changed at some point. You can unlock the keys by writing new firmware to them and then prepare them as dealer and program them.I don't think you can order blank keys from dealer through vin number...

I would say..CS ..pin..etc is diffrent then original...

I will try with odis ..see what happens [emoji106]

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[gttuning]

Kia..hyundai crashes after update..
Check yours people.
Hope new links will fix it

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[skinsh]

Hi all.
after update have many license vl003f vl004f some others with F ends. are this now free or for test?

[Spiritech]

Hi all.
after update have many license vl003f vl004f some others with F ends. are this now free or for test?

In the past they've appended F to the end of a licence to discern between those who got it for free with a promo and those who got it paying for it. Presumably to be able to calculate charges better down the line when people upgrade licences.

If it's a lot of old licences I wouldn't be surprised if they're spooling up to do a new pricing structure where older licences are included with the hardware purchase which would be a major step into getting new customers onto the platform in my opinion.

[gttuning]

Renewed key for A6 4G0959754K
Write succse..but key is now dead..[emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]

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[askkey]

Renewed key for A6 4G0959754K
Write succse..but key is now dead..[emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]

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Probably wrong file was written. Try writing a diferrent file.
What device was used for renew ?
What file was selected ?
What are the PCB markings ? Was it a 211 or a 111 PCB ?

[koyot]

exact .......

[qeso705]

Renewed key for A6 4G0959754K
Write succse..but key is now dead..[emoji849][emoji849][emoji849]

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BCM2 keys you need to renew with the same PCF rom revision. Under the same part number exist several different. Best support for these have Barracuda.

[didi_du_93000]

Have bought sps+.

I have make 4 tickets.

No one is resolved by support.

No one have Sucess story.

Pay for nothing.


I have resolve problem my self.

Car was broken by AVDI.

Support say me: how you resolve problem? [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

They want my support to resolve his bug. [emoji23][emoji23]


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Also 2 times I ask support about special function.

They say me: sorry Abrites can do this car.

And when I send photo of pdf page where is write we can do it.

Support say me: yes right, we can do it. [emoji1741]

I don't know who make reply to ticket on sps+ but I'm 100% sure it's not who creat the update and the software.

Otherwise why they not know of his proper functionality?


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[rapidlocksmiths]

ask support to pay for your sps and you can then talk to them on how they resolve it , you must pay for their support and help so only fair they pay you for your help.

out of interest what car was it that avdi broke ?

[didi_du_93000]

Landrover



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[Matronix]

Those F's are indeed for modules that are te become free... just bought my Tesla licenses end august... now they will be free... updated most brands this year to full licenses, of which quite a few become free now. Als just bought 'full Volvo' with one supplier and even before activated it is 'free' ... I am not sure I , or their suppliers' feel so well about the way they handle this. Maybe there is some understanding if prices of old modules are lowered or even when they do put them in the basic set but the way it is handled is not really about making friends with paying customers

[kleidaras]

Hi!! a silly question. I have clio 4 i have make card on the past with avdi and online software. I have do the job for other locksmith. Yesterday this locksmith try add new card with autel and at the end have the hfm unprogramed. Beacuse i have the pin and old card i go for program HMF back . I have program on the past with autel hfm back with pin and old card. Before i try with autel i put the avdi. avdi show me 0 key but ufter try programme key they read pin and program a old card back. how is possible find the pin from virgin HFM? they keep and use the pin i have read on the past? Thanks!!!

[profi]

Hi everybody, i have question about RH850 Programer when i plug in it for first try immediatly ERR lamp (red color) start blinking is this normal?

Best Regards

[topclef]

Hi everybody, i have question about RH850 Programer when i plug in it for first try immediatly ERR lamp (red color) start blinking is this normal?

Best Regards

yes normal

[autoTkey]

Correction, it is not RH850 programmer - it is RH850 reader :D

[profi]

thanks everyone

[joemajdalani]

Correction, it is not RH850 programmer - it is RH850 reader :D

according to latest news it's not just a reader anymore.

[rapidlocksmiths]

Correction, it is not RH850 programmer - it is RH850 reader :D

according to latest announcement its now a programmer as well as a reader

[autoTkey]

That's GREAT news but it was not released at the time of my writing :D

[p1et]

Hi!! a silly question. I have clio 4 i have make card on the past with avdi and online software. I have do the job for other locksmith. Yesterday this locksmith try add new card with autel and at the end have the hfm unprogramed. Beacuse i have the pin and old card i go for program HMF back . I have program on the past with autel hfm back with pin and old card. Before i try with autel i put the avdi. avdi show me 0 key but ufter try programme key they read pin and program a old card back. how is possible find the pin from virgin HFM? they keep and use the pin i have read on the past? Thanks!!!

Yes, probably it automatically retreived PIN code from the LOGs after you connected with the car aswell as re-learned HFM because from what I know, online Renault software use this method of erase/re-learn HFM everytime after 2016+. Offline software reflashing it for 40 minutes. That's why online menu smashed that in seconds in this case.

[habbyb]

hi everyone , you have idea with avdi can i change in dash miles in km or vice versa is the procedure , to the group vag , thanks .

[Matronix]

Can you not change it in coding in cluster?

[Matronix]

Little advise from a current experience - BMW F11 programming key by OBD - this functions seems quite well developed, did a few cars lately and besides reset of language and setting in the entertainment and info unit, all went well. Only today did this F11 and after programming the info display was solid black. A scan and coding check learned that the vehicle was in transport mode. Simply deactivating it turned it back to standard operation. If you run into this, at least it saves you time to fix it.

[fred77]

Latest JLR security campaign looks like it affects new style key vehicles to stop cloning of keys off KVM data.
Goes further to also lock BCM as already happened with KVM.



So expect Abrites and all other tools doing quick key programming on these cars prob come to an end.

Also means spare n lost keys expensive as replacement BCM, KVM and 2 keys say £1000

[gttuning]

Little advise from a current experience - BMW F11 programming key by OBD - this functions seems quite well developed, did a few cars lately and besides reset of language and setting in the entertainment and info unit, all went well. Only today did this F11 and after programming the info display was solid black. A scan and coding check learned that the vehicle was in transport mode. Simply deactivating it turned it back to standard operation. If you run into this, at least it saves you time to fix it.Transport mode its not common issue after programing but happens from time to time


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[MACAN]

Hii , Renault clio 5 2020 add blade Key can be done without any hassle? any feedback?

[davorOS]

yes
but You need BCM bypass cable
had one with ABS light fault and had to drive it for 10km to reset

[gttuning]

Guys whats your experience with crafter doing key with avdi??
Had one 2017 for spare key..
I went to this crafter special function..
Looks so great that can be done by obd but nothing worked ..so I wounder why did they creat all this when you can't read Cs or pin by obd ... .
I end up taking ezs out ..Read with smok and make dealer key with avdi protag..couldn't see any option to extract pin..so Autel has this option when doing dealer key by dump it also shows pin..

After doing dealer key with avdi I couldn't add this key with vcds using pin..pin accepted..
Checked key and it showed transponder ok.dealer key ok.key not learned ..

Try several times and it wouldn't programed..it will programed original key but not new..

I had replaced transponder for new and preceded with autel and it learned with vcds with out issue..

Just wounder if anyone done this with avdi by obd ? without taking ezs or ecu out.


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[whiskeyman]

its never been great mate
got spoken and reported about years ago
and fell on deaf ears
standard

[askkey]

Guys whats your experience with crafter doing key with avdi??
Had one 2017 for spare key..
I went to this crafter special function..
Looks so great that can be done by obd but nothing worked ..so I wounder why did they creat all this when you can't read Cs or pin by obd ... .
I end up taking ezs out ..Read with smok and make dealer key with avdi protag..couldn't see any option to extract pin..so Autel has this option when doing dealer key by dump it also shows pin..

After doing dealer key with avdi I couldn't add this key with vcds using pin..pin accepted..
Checked key and it showed transponder ok.dealer key ok.key not learned ..

Try several times and it wouldn't programed..it will programed original key but not new..

I had replaced transponder for new and preceded with autel and it learned with vcds with out issue..

Just wounder if anyone done this with avdi by obd ? without taking ezs or ecu out.


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Not only transponder learning but also remote deletion and programming has always been a faf. One has to repeat a function 3 to 5 times for it to go through.
Whenever I asked about it I always got the "it is working fine and as intended" response. So naturally one gets tired of asking after some time.

[Spiritech]

Not only transponder learning but also remote deletion and programming has always been a faf. One has to repeat a function 3 to 5 times for it to go through.
Whenever I asked about it I always got the "it is working fine and as intended" response. So naturally one gets tired of asking after some time.


Yep and sometimes it buggers up the adaptation for keys and you end up with no keys registered now you have a 5 minute wait for the channel to open to try again. It's really not a good solution, I just default to reading the EZS, make dealer key with a transponder tool then use another tool like vcds to do the adaptation. The AVDI solution has worked a couple times flawlessly but others it's just painful re-doing procedures to get the end result.

[habbyb]

as far as I know crafter after 2009 or 2010 key cannot be added by obd .

[askkey]

as far as I know crafter after 2009 or 2010 key cannot be added by obd .

And that is one of the major issues with AVDI, there is no clear coverage in the manual or on the website. How is one supposed to know what is covered or supported ?
I paid for the crafter function looong ago when VW was sepperated into a lot of licenses and can I be blamed to assume it supported all the ID48 keys with the EZS ?

One of the reasons AVDI will never be very attractive to newcomers, no matter how much they cater to them, is because the coverage is confusing and a lot of experience (both in the field and with the tool) is needed to know what can be and what can not be done.

Until they make a bloody spreadsheet with model years and supported fuctions like Autel has for example, then it will be hit and miss for edgecases like the crafter.

It feels like they are afraid to commit that a car is supported in theory but not in practice because that makes the tool look bad.

[Spiritech]

as far as I know crafter after 2009 or 2010 key cannot be added by obd .


Yes, it's when the ECU changes to EDC17 that you can't do by OBD, have to bench the ECU. Change is about 2012 from memory.

[fred77]

Spares no problem now just clone chip.
Use to turn folk away doing a non remote as removing ECU too much hassle for cheaper key.
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New-comers tho expect everything easy peesy regarding coverage etc thankfully some jobs still take intelligence/skill.
Instead of getting disappointed they should think how to solve/invest. those guys stay in the game

[Spiritech]

Spares no problem now just clone chip.
Use to turn folk away doing a non remote as removing ECU too much hassle for cheaper key.
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New-comers tho expect everything easy peesy regarding coverage etc thankfully some jobs still take intelligence/skill.
Instead of getting disappointed they should think how to solve/invest. those guys stay in the game


Call me old school but I still refuse to clone keys in particular Megamos crypto keys as I was burned on poor clones early on. My opinion quickly became that a locksmith should follow the factory procedures as closely as possible and register keys using the native procedures where possible and practical rather than cloning or writing keys directly. I insist on registering keys with native adaptation after obtaining the PIN/CS from the processor of the EZS on these cars.

Anyway I agree with you that far too many dudes get into this game expecting to press buttons on a tablet/laptop and get paid without thinking. It's also extremely disappointing that customers are now expecting this type of person and the attendant pricing when they call for a AKL or spare key procedure. Just today I had a gentleman call about a CAS3++ spare key, and he considered my price far too high which I vehemently disagreed with as I have to flash the car twice(once to learn key, once to return to original condition) and I take on all the risks involved with flashing and key learning. Some might just leave the CAS in the flashed condition but I insist on leaving a vehicle in the same condition in which I found it. And some people wonder why I dislike cash customers and prefer my account customers who just want the job done in a reasonable period of time and rarely question the costs.

[rapidlocksmiths]

Totally agree , a job should always be done properly where possible .

but there sits the problem , with so many pop up locksmiths , garages and used car dealers offering cheap clone keys , in current times customers only see the price and want it cheap , cheap and quality have never sat together well.

the lack of knowledge many trading have is shocking , but they now form the majority of the trade , found all over facebook

[fred77]

When some dealer wants cheap spare i clone

Personally tho i'd rather clone than read eeprm. Don't tell me no eeprom risk I've been there done the pain

move on to next job guys all about money whatever works for you but most like nothing (ECU) taken off car

[rapidlocksmiths]

the cloning money is short lived , cobblers here do clone keys from £25 , id48 from £50 , and will no doubt be mqb for similar soon . wont be long before no money in cloning at all for many.

even my local greetings card shop does clone keys and house keys for a pack of wine gums.

im seeing more and more jobs now where customers want a spare key doing and there key is a clone key , psa fiat etc where you have to either add a chip to it to recode by obd or reclone it if compatible to your cloner , so i now factor a charge in for this .

[fred77]

What i find amazing is people talking about old Crafters -
Round 2010 pin reading stopped with edc16.

Someone accused me on xhorse thread of being under a rock lol



Anyway, yeah Martin it's all turning a brown colour fobs going same way. Still some skill saves us

[gttuning]

Just i look at the crafter menu and its like "this is great all by obd" .
Wounder is Alek still around here it coment on that...

Maybe is worth to update this crafter functuon with better description whats what..




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[autoTkey]

Seems like they all took the whole month as a holiday from Abrites. Nothing on the news page for weeks. Also nothing about the RH850 which they promised to release about the middle of the month. And we are already past that.

[Spiritech]

Seems like they all took the whole month as a holiday from Abrites. Nothing on the news page for weeks. Also nothing about the RH850 which they promised to release about the middle of the month. And we are already past that.

A lot of the big euro companies take extended holidays with limited support, it's not unusual. Just seems such a long time for us at the ground level trying to help people with their cars at a busy time of year. I know I'm still catching up from Christmas/New Year now.

[MACAN]

Hi , i have a clio V stuck in bootloader mode when attept to programming Key , someone has this?
I have send a mail to support.
Tried reflashing with original file, nothing change.
Disconnected thé battery one minute , re dit, and now i dont have any ignition no light on dash

[gttuning]

Hi , i have a clio V stuck in bootloader mode when attept to programming Key , someone has this?
I have send a mail to support.
Tried reflashing with original file, nothing change.
Disconnected thé battery one minute , re dit, and now i dont have any ignition no light on dashSounds like trouble alright..

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[MACAN]

problem, waste of time, waste of money...

[kleidaras]

Hi , i have a clio V stuck in bootloader mode when attept to programming Key , someone has this?
I have send a mail to support.
Tried reflashing with original file, nothing change.
Disconnected thé battery one minute , re dit, and now i dont have any ignition no light on dash

Now ufter battery reset you try reflashing original file? I have a see a video with reflashing original file on peugeot and also on this car not have ignition.

[fred77]

Just i look at the crafter menu and its like "this is great all by obd" .
Wounder is Alek still around here it coment on that...

Maybe is worth to update this crafter functuon with better description whats what..

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Your being harsh mate as joked in previous comment

Abrites is no different to any other aftermarket tool manufacturer.
And you wanta program remotes go look it up

Car manufactures make it increasingly hard - no obd cracked pin-reading on later crafter ECUs

I'd concentrate on newer stuff/other makes as i went thro your disappointment some 8 years ago - and moved on :)

[mjoesen]

This news just come about RH850 writing:

https://abrites.com/news/rh850-processor-writing-for-vw-mqb-dashboards-now-available

[MACAN]

Yes After battery reset tried to reflash with the backup file but nothing change. I think it's dead. I have sent the bcm to abrites...

[alkaskad]

This news just come about RH850 writing:

https://abrites.com/news/rh850-processor-writing-for-vw-mqb-dashboards-now-available

Tested today. Works.

[didi_du_93000]

Renault master MK3 2022, mil change NOT working.
I paid for this activation for nothing like many others activation.


SPS is bad, never never resolve me problem.
And ALL time write SOLVED in statue. Therefore their resolution rate is 100%. while no 1 resolution has done.

Maybe beter to ask support on DK forum.

AVDI is my last choice on many work.

[AlekN]

Hello Lads and Lasses, it has been a while since I have been able to be on the DK forums but I have a good reason for my absence. I just wanted to let let you know that there have been some really major improvements in terms of FORD and MAZDA software and we have completely rebuilt the backend of it. Now I really urge you to give it a try once your new links arrive and give me your honest and detailed feedback. It has been years of wanting to do it and months of work for our developers and I believe it is working almost spot on now. One more thing I tested was the F150, I know this is mostly for the American guys that are going to be interested but we, in Europe also benefit because together with the RH850 programmer it covers Mach- E and the new Transit. There is a video on the AVDI FAN page on Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrud07EstRc&lc=UgzQOpxof2y1XjgvfFF4AaABAg&ab_channel=AVDIFAN of how the procedure goes and we also tested CX-5s and other 2012-2024 Mazdas which work great now.
I hope you can forgive my absence but this, as well as other tasks took out a lot of my days, weeks and months.

[kleidaras]

Yes After battery reset tried to reflash with the backup file but nothing change. I think it's dead. I have sent the bcm to abrites...

Any update from Abrites for this problem? Thnaks!!!!

[Spiritech]

Looking forward to seeing some reports on that. I purchased hardware during the Christmas sale with the intention of buying software if anything useful became available. A complete re-write of Ford/Mazda sounds like a great thing.

[MACAN]

Hi didi, did you see that there Is a gateway only for the cluster? ter?

[MACAN]

Hi alek , did you see my crash on post #3934? Bcm sent to abrites . ticket 38653 . Apparently the problem was Known on this type of BCM

[rapidlocksmiths]

Hello Lads and Lasses, it has been a while since I have been able to be on the DK forums but I have a good reason for my absence. I just wanted to let let you know that there have been some really major improvements in terms of FORD and MAZDA software and we have completely rebuilt the backend of it. Now I really urge you to give it a try once your new links arrive and give me your honest and detailed feedback. It has been years of wanting to do it and months of work for our developers and I believe it is working almost spot on now. One more thing I tested was the F150, I know this is mostly for the American guys that are going to be interested but we, in Europe also benefit because together with the RH850 programmer it covers Mach- E and the new Transit. There is a video on the AVDI FAN page on Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrud07EstRc&lc=UgzQOpxof2y1XjgvfFF4AaABAg&ab_channel=AVDIFAN of how the procedure goes and we also tested CX-5s and other 2012-2024 Mazdas which work great now.
I hope you can forgive my absence but this, as well as other tasks took out a lot of my days, weeks and months.

looking forward to testing the ford software once update comes in , as its been a long time comming , time will tell if it brings it up on par with others .

[whiskeyman]

Hello Lads and Lasses, it has been a while since I have been able to be on the DK forums but I have a good reason for my absence. I just wanted to let let you know that there have been some really major improvements in terms of FORD and MAZDA software and we have completely rebuilt the backend of it. Now I really urge you to give it a try once your new links arrive and give me your honest and detailed feedback. It has been years of wanting to do it and months of work for our developers and I believe it is working almost spot on now. One more thing I tested was the F150, I know this is mostly for the American guys that are going to be interested but we, in Europe also benefit because together with the RH850 programmer it covers Mach- E and the new Transit. There is a video on the AVDI FAN page on Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrud07EstRc&lc=UgzQOpxof2y1XjgvfFF4AaABAg&ab_channel=AVDIFAN of how the procedure goes and we also tested CX-5s and other 2012-2024 Mazdas which work great now.
I hope you can forgive my absence but this, as well as other tasks took out a lot of my days, weeks and months.

look forward to testing results
thanks for listening Alekn

[AlekN]

Hi alek , did you see my crash on post #3934? Bcm sent to abrites . ticket 38653 . Apparently the problem was Known on this type of BCM

Hello, I did check it out, as far as I can see this is with my colleagues from Abrites France in Montreuil. I will talk to them on Monday morning and report back to you.

[MACAN]

(UPDATE) return of the Bcm of the clio V, repaired by ABRites. FOR INFORMATION I have no SPS and they remained professional they carried out the repair I was able to continue programming to add key

[AlekN]

(UPDATE) return of the Bcm of the clio V, repaired by ABRites. FOR INFORMATION I have no SPS and they remained professional they carried out the repair I was able to continue programming to add key

Thank you, part of my work is to assist in cases such as this where the lines are blurred and if anyone has similar issues do not hesitate to let me know.

[didi_du_93000]

Avdi kill me bsi Delphi.
Peugeot 308 t9 2020.

Suppoet say me not problem by avdi.

But I'm 100000% sur avdi broke flash and config.

[whiskeyman]

Avdi kill me bsi Delphi.
Peugeot 308 t9 2020.

Suppoet say me not problem by avdi.

But I'm 100000% sur avdi broke flash and config.

did avdi not save files so they can look?
was this done online?

[didi_du_93000]

did avdi not save files so they can look?
was this done online?Yes online.

I don't understand how avdi make backup. Because support say me can't use backup in my situation.

[AlekN]

Yes online.

I don't understand how avdi make backup. Because support say me can't use backup in my situation.

Please go to the logs folder, find the backup there. If it is not there the car was not done with AVDI or was attempted with avdi after it has failed with another tool. We can assist to restore it but we need to know all the facts. Please try to remember if you have not used a different tool first.

[fred77]

Abrites killed a Continental BSI some 5 years ago but that was before the more modern on-line version.
Erased flash then PC app crashed and left with nothing.

---------

But believe Abrites to be the safest option & rather use over all other tools. Think like its Renault app people hold in high-regard

[isma123]

IT always keep backups

[hollanda]

Avdi kill me bsi Delphi.
Peugeot 308 t9 2020.

Suppoet say me not problem by avdi.

But I'm 100000% sur avdi broke flash and config.


How did you read the Pin? AKL? Some end 2020 needs to read eeprom by programmer before you can
Start the procedure.

i’ve try few bsi after 2019 avdi can’t read the pin when it’s Akl situation by obd. Unknown Version even H6 bsi

[tagirdn]

Maybe someone can tell me.
I have a 2017 Jaguar XF 260 with one key.
It seems like Abrites makes these cars for obd until 2018. .
Does he use abrites key or can I use an OEM key?
Thanks

[Spiritech]

Maybe someone can tell me.
I have a 2017 Jaguar XF 260 with one key.
It seems like Abrites makes these cars for obd until 2018. .
Does he use abrites key or can I use an OEM key?
Thanks

This will be FK72 KVM, all solutions do effectively the same thing, they read data from the KVM and use a rewritable key(in the case of Abrites only their own) to clone an existing key.

[deimonk]

Hello. When will MN34 be released?

[cl55]

Hello. When will MN34 be released?

seeing that the promised date is delayed by a month and realizing that it is really not an easy job (although some people in the world are already doing it with other devices and solutions), we can only hope that the promise will be fulfilled...

[fred77]

How did you read the Pin? AKL? Some end 2020 needs to read eeprom by programmer before you can
Start the procedure.

i’ve try few bsi after 2019 avdi can’t read the pin when it’s Akl situation by obd. Unknown Version even H6 bsi


I did new model corsa and ds7 + ds3 cross keyless - couple of years old admittingly not AKL but news to me
you are using on-line version?


expect Citroen/Peugeot will tighten up their security

[rapidlocksmiths]

fred77 check out the videos on abrites site for all keys lost and for spares on peugeot 308 111 models , you will see the procedures there and CB013 cable set is required

[MACAN]

Alek , do you think if last update Renault it cover l'attestation clio V 2023 blade Key?

[MACAN]

Today did Sandero 3 2022 , add key went fine. Disconnected battery before can connection . after reconnecting everything, faults appear in abs EPS and Front radar with permanent defaults __ ABS: dtc 508386 "steering wheel angle sensor multiplex signal invalid" and in PAS: DTC 561854 "learning lock to lock for EPS calibration absent

I drove the car on 12 km and still there

Do you have any clue?

[tagirdn]

Hi all.
Has anyone done a Volkswagen Tiguan 2017? The panel is virtual. Automatic transmission.
Today I needed to add a second key.
But I couldn’t subtract the immo date.
And I couldn't add. Everything stopped at the process of reading Booth. And it gave an error that the security could not get through.
I tried both online and offline. No way.
For now I took a time out to find some information.
.

[Spiritech]

Hi all.
Has anyone done a Volkswagen Tiguan 2017? The panel is virtual. Automatic transmission.
Today I needed to add a second key.
But I couldn’t subtract the immo date.
And I couldn't add. Everything stopped at the process of reading Booth. And it gave an error that the security could not get through.
I tried both online and offline. No way.
For now I took a time out to find some information.
.


Virtual clusters are RH850 based and the OBD reading function does not work. You need the RH850 programmer and soldering to get the immo data from this cluster. Or buy a dealer key and code with ODIS.

[tagirdn]

Thanks for the answer.
But I can't even overwrite the original key.
Since initially, it was necessary to remove the stolen key.
And register the second one.






Using the instrument panel number (speedometer clock), Abrites showed that there is VDO D70f3525, and this is v850


I have a V-RH850 programmer. From abrites.
I didn’t want to get into the panel. After all, there is one working key.


It's just that this is the first car with a virtual panel. . Basically, I did for 2012-2015 years.

Sorry for my English. I don't have much of it. And the Google translator sometimes likes to laugh.

[Spiritech]

Of course you can't reprogram the key to delete the spare, you require immo data to do that. Grab ODIS and you can run a key adaptation in a few minutes while you wait for a dealer key, that'll delete the stolen key. Virtual clusters have never been supported for OBD key learning since MQB began, if you want to do this with aftermarket tools and stock you will need to open that cluster.

[alkaskad]

I had a little accident while working on RH850 cluster. I've lost one of the capacitors but fortunately I've found it... It could happen to anyone and it would be very painful to find appropriate replacement components without any info...It would be nice to include that info in wiring diagrams.

[ahadi]

Hello mates.

anybody has problem connecting with ABprog upgraded version

Failed connecting to AVDI.
Failed connecting to ABProg.

Thanks in advance

[Manta1600]

Virtual clusters have never been supported for OBD key learning since MQB began

Never tried but I think that was possible to add key on MQB with virtual cluster by OBD with VAG OBD helper few years ago

[fred77]

Of course you can't reprogram the key to delete the spare, you require immo data to do that. Grab ODIS and you can run a key adaptation in a few minutes while you wait for a dealer key, that'll delete the stolen key. Virtual clusters have never been supported for OBD key learning since MQB began, if you want to do this with aftermarket tools and stock you will need to open that cluster.


I recall doing virtual dash with Autel via OBD in minutes but those were the days of tokens and helper cables.

ANyway i assume Xhorse adaptors would make short work of this (if spare job) -

[Manta1600]

Hello Lads and Lasses, it has been a while since I have been able to be on the DK forums but I have a good reason for my absence. I just wanted to let let you know that there have been some really major improvements in terms of FORD and MAZDA software and we have completely rebuilt the backend of it. Now I really urge you to give it a try once your new links arrive and give me your honest and detailed feedback. It has been years of wanting to do it and months of work for our developers and I believe it is working almost spot on now. One more thing I tested was the F150, I know this is mostly for the American guys that are going to be interested but we, in Europe also benefit because together with the RH850 programmer it covers Mach- E and the new Transit. There is a video on the AVDI FAN page on Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrud07EstRc&lc=UgzQOpxof2y1XjgvfFF4AaABAg&ab_channel=AVDIFAN of how the procedure goes and we also tested CX-5s and other 2012-2024 Mazdas which work great now.
I hope you can forgive my absence but this, as well as other tasks took out a lot of my days, weeks and months.

Ford Kuga 2021 AKL with alarm not work
Ford Focus 2018 onward AKL with alarm not work
Ford Fiesta 2020 AKL with alarm not work
Ford Transit 2020 AKL with alarm not work

For these models other companies have sequence to unplug and connect the battery to read the flash - AVDI doesn't have this option

AVDI work only on some old id49 system AKL with alarm where the trick with 10 minutes waiting is working

[Matronix]

Had a Renault Megane E in (2022) and asked Abrites up in front or it would likely be supported, they thought it was same as Megane IV phase 2 but as I see it , it isn't . Could not even connect to read VIN, let alone program a key. With Clio V, Captur 2 etc we hook in the can bus but with this vehicle no info avalailable yet how to do so. The green/white wires in power switchbox/fusebox in 'engine' bay seemed not the way to go forward this time. Anyone has done these yet?

[MACAN]

Had a Renault Megane E in (2022) and asked Abrites up in front or it would likely be supported, they thought it was same as Megane IV phase 2 but as I see it , it isn't . Could not even connect to read VIN, let alone program a key. With Clio V, Captur 2 etc we hook in the can bus but with this vehicle no info avalailable yet how to do so. The green/white wires in power switchbox/fusebox in 'engine' bay seemed not the way to go forward this time. Anyone has done these yet?

If you need to look for the Can wires which must surely be different from clio V/captur. A diagram of the car might help. I had the same thing with a vivaro 2023 not connecting

[rapidlocksmiths]

If you need to look for the Can wires which must surely be different from clio V/captur. A diagram of the car might help. I had the same thing with a vivaro 2023 not connecting

Macan , ive done an early 2023 vivaro with avdi using psa software , has it changed on late 2023 models ?

[offsystem]

anyone maybe can give feedback can PSA Opel Crossland X BCM be coded with avdi for retrofit trailer hitch ?

[AlekN]

anyone maybe can give feedback can PSA Opel Crossland X BCM be coded with avdi for retrofit trailer hitch ?
I would certainly look at the car if I were you. There is a lot of configuration option included in the PSA online which will most probably have the coding there. It is included for everyone with AMS.

[rapidlocksmiths]

AlekN

are you only ansering questions selectively now ? you havnt answered the other questions asked just this one , no answers for manta and his ford failures with avdi ? is there no answer or are you avoiding the awkward questions

not a dig just an observation

[fred77]

Mind you I recon Manta is being a bit tough

I use Autel and SmartPro for Fords
Tho I've yet to be successful waiting for alarm to terminate with Autel - so, so

No tool is great on all makes!
But Abrites least doing improvements

[rapidlocksmiths]

Mind you I recon Manta is being a bit tough

I use Autel and SmartPro for Fords
Tho I've yet to be successful waiting for alarm to terminate with Autel - so, so

No tool is great on all makes!
But Abrites least doing improvements

i dont feel manta is being tough at all steve , AlekN stated the below on page 263 of this thread in not long ago

" Hello Lads and Lasses, it has been a while since I have been able to be on the DK forums but I have a good reason for my absence. I just wanted to let let you know that there have been some really major improvements in terms of FORD and MAZDA software and we have completely rebuilt the backend of it. Now I really urge you to give it a try once your new links arrive and give me your honest and detailed feedback. "

So asked us to try it and to give honest feedback , manta has done exactly what was asked of him and has given honest feedback , in fact its the only feedback ive read since asked for , how is that being tough ?

i know abrites now give alot of the ford software free to new customers , but many of us paid a high price for this and improvements have been a long time comming , its still dissapointing that cheap china machines do it better , i now use halkyard tech far more on ford than SP and others as reliable and token free.

if honest feedback isnt wanted then dont ask for it , if asked for then at least acknowledge it and respond is the point , a paying customer has tested it and given honest feedback based on their experience as requested

[qwojtus]

I had recently two transit customs 2020 and 2021 AKL with alarm active and managed to do them with Abrites - no issues.

I tired first with Autel which failed, lonsdor failed, Obdstar failed.

Abrites won this time.

This is my feedback, no speculation just real job.

However, some BCMs on new ford nothing supports apart from FDRS.

[rapidlocksmiths]

I had recently two transit customs 2020 and 2021 AKL with alarm active and managed to do them with Abrites - no issues.

I tired first with Autel which failed, lonsdor failed, Obdstar failed.

Abrites won this time.

This is my feedback, no speculation just real job.

However, some BCMs on new ford nothing supports apart from FDRS.

Yes ive had similar in past on older 2015/2017 focus models , smart pro and halkyard failed , abrites did the job , it has its wins .
this is why its so frustrating as could be so much better than the rest if they have the will to make it so.

[MACAN]

Macan , ive done an early 2023 vivaro with avdi using psa software , has it changed on late 2023 models ?

I made a mistake in my messages it's not a vivaro but Nissan nv300 (trafic 3 ph2)opel vivaro is of course based on the PSA platform (like Peugeot expert Citroën jumpy and toyota Proace)

[didi_du_93000]

Hello ALL AVDI users,

I can confirm.

We are not considered by the ABRITES company. they prefers to promote new users than us, who have been customers for several years, who have trusted them and who pay prices for each update. at highter price.


New users have -40% on accessories and programer during the "BMW promotion" But not old users.

This is regrettable and incomprehensible. I am not asking for charity but only to propose equivalent offers.

we are shit for ABRITES!!!!

[Spiritech]

They recently did a promotion for people who have already invested, an upgrade to full software at what I have been told was a very deep discount. Yes they give new users better deals but that is how they get people invested into the platform and buying licences which funds their development time/purchasing of secrets.

This will happen with ANY tool platform, and happens regularly with Chinese tools. You see them advertise a new tool at a good price when your subscription for a year for the old tool is almost half of the new tool(See Lonsdor). AD have done it in the past, offering long UTP with new purchases when the original price was higher with less UTP.

None of these companies will survive if they just market to us all the time, they must seek new customers. I won't say it's a good look but it's unfair in my opinion to claim they don't care about existing customers at all.

[fred77]

Agree all companies do it.
I was poo pooed with the Xhorse VAG adapters saying ok on VVDI Prog.

We can get upset but ultimately investing = job pays



Maybe folk take exception with Abrites as European company which, even Eastern block, now have higher EU prices

[james44000]

Hi, I have the same with my Abprog,only classic works

[pepi]

Did anyone try to write VW MD1CS004 2019 with Avdi ?
I have asked support and they told me that they
can NOT confirm whether it will be safe since there are a different pins
on ECU.

[Frankcar]

Hi, anyone know avdi BMW online software for Bike 2022 that lost all remote have solution or no ? i check it with last version 34.7 but software message only show me "Checking unit version ..." anyone know what is the problem ?
prod date: 11.2021

[habbyb]

avdi he does not know keyless and mecanical 8A , I had to buy a tool from China anly for moto to add keys and all key lost unexpectedly good .

[nazz2]

is there a problem with precoding on iveco daily 2015 vans? i used IEA Fir134+ remotes, on 2 Daily vans,Delphi system, first one only light were flashing, the second one, only side and back door locks or unlocks, with Marellie, no remote function, has any one else had this experience.

I have used these on relay, Boxer with no problem, thanks

[rapidlocksmiths]

ive done alot of iveco daily , all were marelli , never had one fail with avdi , i use oem boards in my own cases , all spot on.

[nazz2]

As i mentioned above Martin, i did try Marelli, but no reaction from the remote, on Hickleys site they mention that these are Delphi system!! , but thanks i will try this next time.what year were they?

[rapidlocksmiths]

all between 2014 and 2020 models , done around 40 in last year as well as 8 top end motor homes 2015 to 2019, all were marelli .

i stick to oem boards , bought alot from mk3 till they run out and then bought from sos.

[nazz2]

Thanks, told the guy to come back ,after holidays, will update.

[electromech]

Hello ALL AVDI users,

I can confirm.

We are not considered by the ABRITES company. they prefers to promote new users than us, who have been customers for several years, who have trusted them and who pay prices for each update. at highter price.


New users have -40% on accessories and programer during the "BMW promotion" But not old users.

This is regrettable and incomprehensible. I am not asking for charity but only to propose equivalent offers.

we are shit for ABRITES!!!!

Lets all not forget that they remove some features that we have already paid for as they please......At this point i believe is just ruthless and greed on Abrites side..I have a valid AMS and i am sure there are thousands more you do the math on how much they get on AMS alone per year,I expect them to treat us better....