Virgin media sending out new cards.

[waqasahmed]

Maybe they're just doing testing as they did with Leeds These cards have been changed before remember, or that could just be when VM took over NTL, C&W and TW

[batman44]

I think it could be contratual as well as I still have my old NTL card stuck in.

[sakiblateef]

The cat got let out of the bag by a VM employee, its not Nag3 but a variation of it whatever that means. I think its to do with IPTV now Cisco have finished installing headend kit to the Vm network. We will have to wait and see what the state of play is when implemented and find a workround. Not much on tv anyway other than repeats and american crap, not worth paying out good money for, film not worth the extra ?20 odd quid per month or sports, can get them on my sat system. Freview and Freesat are the best option as they have and will have more HD channels soon and if you get a third party sat box you can pick up many more channels on the astra bird than Freesat official box.

What they mean by variant is that its still N3 no matter how you look at it however after N1 & N2 were cracked Kudelski have learnt their lesson and have designed different versions of N3. If one provider using N3 is hacked the same info can't be used to crack other providers whereas before all other providers in Europe using Nagra had the same cards which meant they were all hacked.

This tenchnique is used to stop or delay the time a workaround is found and so far it has worked.

[mickarick]

Maybe they're just doing testing as they did with Leeds These cards have been changed before remember, or that could just be when VM took over NTL, C&W and TW

Yeah of course lets test it and lets put adds out on living tv and the VM web site come on accept it, its over VM are going for it what more proof do you need ? by the way Virgin never took over NTL just bought a share in it .

[waqasahmed]

Im saying maybe they're testing N3/IPTV now as they have done with Leeds with the funcard thing. I didnt say they wont at all. Read between the lines

[mickarick]

Im saying maybe they're testing N3/IPTV now as they have done with Leeds with the funcard thing. I didnt say they wont at all. Read between the lines

Sorry m8 it didnt come across like that and the fact remains they no longer testing they are sending cards out and still hope im wrong but im know im my heart im not .

[dogsdinner]

Sorry m8 it didnt come across like that and the fact remains they no longer testing they are sending cards out and still hope im wrong but im know im my heart im not .

I think your right mate its over.

How long you reckon we have got left ?

[gmb45]

well if, and i mean a big "IF" its the end i will be cancelling my basic tv package and get a digi box cause u only get the same crap on both so they will loose money off me straight away, then go the sat way so ~~~~ vm i say ( and so will the thousands of others who have basic tv package ) has any 1 actually got 1 of these cards ? post a pic ( back and front if u have )

[dctyper]

yawn lots of dribble as usual

bo serious guys who cares if the move to n3? if you have owned your box for more than 2 month you have done well, im planning ahead, ive ordered an 800hd with both tuners so i can move to sky if someyhing does happen

and for the record, i dont thinks something will

[Hob]

"yawn lots of dribble as usual"

drivel

[MetalKettle]

yawn lots of dribble as usual

bo serious guys who cares if the move to n3? if you have owned your box for more than 2 month you have done well, im planning ahead, ive ordered an 800hd with both tuners so i can move to sky if someyhing does happen

and for the record, i dont thinks something will

I suppose the thing to remember is that the fact they are sending new cards does not mean an encryption change. Im sure i read simewhere that old cards were causing problems with V+ and VOD performance, so maybe thats just it.

[mickarick]

I think your right mate its over.

How long you reckon we have got left ?

Dunno m8 they say on the web site they are doing it area by area so depends where you live, some say 6 mths others are saying gone by the new yr .

[mickarick]

I suppose the thing to remember is that the fact they are sending new cards does not mean an encryption change. Im sure i read simewhere that old cards were causing problems with V+ and VOD performance, so maybe thats just it.

This is on their FAQ m8
Why are you sending me a new card?

We're about to upgrade the technology of your Virgin TV set top box so you can benefit from more improvements, more security and more of the good stuff fibre optic technology brings.

[dctyper]

yeh, vod

thats what vm are investing in, not encryption. they cannot justify the spend

[tony_i]

yeh, vod

thats what vm are investing in, not encryption. they cannot justify the spend

If you're going to send a card to every suscribing home anyway would it be that much more expensive to introduce the new encryption at the same time while you're at it?

How much would Kudelski charge VM to use N3 until IPTV is up and running?

What's the more significant cost - sending cards out or paying Kudelski to use the better encryption technology, bearing in mind that they sold VM a duffer last time and N3 is hardly new?

Not picking an argument. Genuinely curious.