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  • Sirus
    DK Veteran
    • Nov 2008
    • 340

    #166
    I understand your opinions I'm not a kv spokesman saying this is the way they will do it nor is it a case of "I'm right, you're wrong"... I just loosely stated a way they could go about dealing with things, against all them people saying their intent could be to sell up remaining stock and flee. That would be a last ditch option when they could easily do a lot of other things before turning to that. Like something I said before.

    And when I said "discontinued" I meant still up and working just not manufactured any longer they could have labelled the box discontinued months ago, then people would know a better box was coming out soon.. And 6 or so months(maybe upto a year) is still a pretty good return on the price you have bought the box for. I know this may sound contradicting to what I have been saying previously, but for people who expect this box to just be supported for years are dreaming. When you's say the main boxes should be supported longer I do agree. But at the same time you also have mentioned the money making and business factor. The boxes are sold with a considerable markup price because of the service that comes with it. I will be really surpised if a new box comes out sometime this year and the 780s are still supported throughtout the whole of the following year.. they need a new wave of boxes to keep income strong. Realistically anyone with a 780 should be happy with atleast a year or so of server service and if happy with it, then plan to support them further by buying the new box. You have to consider that kv ofcourse are planning how to keep the ball rolling for them. is that too much to stomach, not really considering the saving on legit subs. It is no secret the server will not stay on for the years people think it may,.you can more less expect what I said to happen, a new box then a limited time of support for older models.. that is only right, what do you expect for a 160 quid box.

    Also the server going down is a good thing I think. Because it is a show of strength of how they will fair to get it back up and running again if same thing should happen in the future. It is more less 90% back up and will soon be back to normal.. I can't believe people are still doubting it being back to normal when its clearly getting beter week by week.

    And I also agree with something someone else said in another thread... "the best way is Sat cs". I came to this very forum awhile back and said this(you could probably find it if you look at my previous posts)... unlike these cable boxes, there is a huge margin for error when you go Sat cs and about 10,000 more chanls for motor dish users and better freeview, and better resell value if you ever get fedup or leave it. these cable boxes become useless, not even descent freeview and no resell value when things go tits up.
    Last edited by Sirus; 14 May, 2011, 22:19.

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    • gadgetfiend
      DK Veteran
      • Aug 2008
      • 355

      #167
      Nothing lasts forever and in this game IMHO 2 things could happen to end all of this from getting any further widespread 1: The providers will find a way to put a stop to all c/s full stop or 2: Providers will totally slash prices on their packages to an unbelievably low monthly cost thus making any needed action against c/s unnecessary. I favor the second option and can see it happening within a year. Why do i think this you may ask well for a start if sky lose this ongoing case about football rights the chain reaction that will follow will be a much needed and very welcomed change. The fall out will be that other European providers will throw together cheap annual packages which will be primarily UK focused and this in turn will force sky's hand to completely slash prices. Sky are currently making approximately ?1bn per year !!!PROFIT!!!! and even if they offered the full monty package for ?20pm (which most people would pay in a heartbeat) they would still be raking it in big time. The sooner this happens the better and this malarkey will get back to being a hobby the way it should be.

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      • philip35
        Junior Member
        • Oct 2009
        • 29

        #168
        I think basicly whats being said is if you dont want to spend 160 quid (which to some of us is alot of money ) and risk getting nowt but grief dont buy these boxes they are gonna go off . I think personaly i am gonna go down the sat route in future ,the only benefit of these boxes is that they are plug and play . I know very little of the sat scene but iam presuming when you lose the server you can just find another (obviously which has to be paid for) which would make it as close to future proof as is possible

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        • lagerland
          V.I.P. Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 6031

          #169
          Ordered a tm 500 super yesturday so i will let no how it goes when i get it..............
          I know you believe you understand what you think i said



          >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BUT <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
          I am not sure you realise that what you heard is not what i meant ! sigpic

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          • ASEK
            DK Veteran
            • Feb 2010
            • 1686

            #170
            Originally posted by gadgetfiend
            Nothing lasts forever and in this game IMHO 2 things could happen to end all of this from getting any further widespread 1: The providers will find a way to put a stop to all c/s full stop or 2: Providers will totally slash prices on their packages to an unbelievably low monthly cost thus making any needed action against c/s unnecessary. I favor the second option and can see it happening within a year. Why do i think this you may ask well for a start if sky lose this ongoing case about football rights the chain reaction that will follow will be a much needed and very welcomed change. The fall out will be that other European providers will throw together cheap annual packages which will be primarily UK focused and this in turn will force sky's hand to completely slash prices. Sky are currently making approximately ?1bn per year !!!PROFIT!!!! and even if they offered the full monty package for ?20pm (which most people would pay in a heartbeat) they would still be raking it in big time. The sooner this happens the better and this malarkey will get back to being a hobby the way it should be.
            terrific post, luv it if ur right about ?20pm id get it in right away.

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            • lagerland
              V.I.P. Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 6031

              #171
              Wouldt we all mate and it would be a bit nearer the mark......
              I know you believe you understand what you think i said



              >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BUT <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
              I am not sure you realise that what you heard is not what i meant ! sigpic

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              • Sirus
                DK Veteran
                • Nov 2008
                • 340

                #172
                @gadgetfiend.. but I think as long as c/s is possible there will always be sharers. You have to remember that was how it started out, with a bunch of people with different packages sharing them to each other, then along came the payserver method, which is what has brought all the bad attention onboard and makes providers want to clamp down on it more. Another thing that annoys me with Sly movies/sports is ridiculously long ads. I mean when you think about it, how much do Sly reel in from the ads alone?.. lots!. So they are using us to fund the packages and get them broadcasting then reeling in advertisers to make massive profit... thats the part that turns me most. Sly movies is more like ads and film promotions with some movies inbetween, and thats before you talk about how repetitive it is. They make you believe more chanls are better but when you think about it you might as well just have 2 movie chnls and just not put on as much repeats, that way you would still get the same effect as 10 movie chnls with repeats. You can't really blame people who turn to a pay c/s, as you really are just helping out a subscriber pay the overinflated price whilst leeching their sub.

                @philip35 you can always wait until the server comes back on then sell your KV on to someone else, I do recommend sat though. KV are in a niche, they aren't trying to con people. Remember some people can't put up dishes or don't want a dish up so KV are a good option for them. But if you don't mind a dish then defo checkout the Sat scene.. with all due respect, that's where all the smarter people of the forum hang out who want the best tv.

                I would recommend the dreambox as it is the most versatile box and has lots of tricks and things.. something like the DM800 is a good investment.. nothing wrong with other boxes if you choose something else, just do a bit of homework before you buy. Google cardshare and join a dedicated forum and then you are in there. Not aloud to give any cardshare pointers on this forum.
                Last edited by Sirus; 16 May, 2011, 00:08.

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                • robbeno
                  DK Veteran
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 389

                  #173
                  I have read wot u said m8 and understand bits n bobs and probably if I get into a forum on the sat side I'd pick more info up there, i was looking at the dreamboxs on eBay and some were ?400 others ?700 and some around ?150 I think it was, then I read thete was cloned boxs me head started spinning so I thought spew it.

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                  • gadgetfiend
                    DK Veteran
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 355

                    #174
                    @sirus
                    Yes exactly thats why i said back to a hobby the way it should be. But you are 100% right the advertising is ridiculous now and hence the reason i have a signature stating my opinion. Look at your tv programs for example, i d/l them as the amount of ads are off putting, usually a program that takes 42mins to watch takes up an hour slot wtf??? 18mins of ads. As you say movie channels are saturated with ads as are sports and all others and you can bet your mortgage that when the corporate big wigs are discussing advert penetration and effectiveness in their board rooms they are taking into account all of the leechers watching for free.

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                    • gadgetfiend
                      DK Veteran
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 355

                      #175
                      You can get a standard 500s dream for ?50 or even consider the blade bm7000hd around ?130 ish, excellent hd box full 1080p and other little benefits.

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                      • Montebox
                        Top Poster +
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 216

                        #176
                        Originally posted by gadgetfiend
                        @sirus
                        Yes exactly thats why i said back to a hobby the way it should be. But you are 100% right the advertising is ridiculous now and hence the reason i have a signature stating my opinion. Look at your tv programs for example, i d/l them as the amount of ads are off putting, usually a program that takes 42mins to watch takes up an hour slot wtf??? 18mins of ads. As you say movie channels are saturated with ads as are sports and all others and you can bet your mortgage that when the corporate big wigs are discussing advert penetration and effectiveness in their board rooms they are taking into account all of the leechers watching for free.
                        Just try watching Gold The adverts in between are so ridiculously long you forget what you had been watching. Great if you need to do some shopping or cut the grass in between, just in time to see the second 5min part!!

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                        • Sirus
                          DK Veteran
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 340

                          #177
                          Originally posted by robbeno
                          I have read wot u said m8 and understand bits n bobs and probably if I get into a forum on the sat side I'd pick more info up there, i was looking at the dreamboxs on eBay and some were ?400 others ?700 and some around ?150 I think it was, then I read thete was cloned boxs me head started spinning so I thought spew it.
                          you can do what gadgetfiend said and start out with a cheap DM500s and use a mini dish pointing in the usual direction to get use to it. And clone boxes are just cheaper made of the orignals.. some with worse, some with better components just do homework before splashing out. The reason why I said DM800 though is it has better EPG and also HD over the cheaper dreamboxes. HD is usually covered in most c/s, so its good to take advantage of it with an HD box.

                          @gadgetfiend.. sorry for misunderstanding you, yeah I see your sig now . I never really look too hard at peoples sigs. You are right though, Sky movies is crap, especially considering its classed as a prestige package and service. That online streaming service like lovefilm and other sites are the future I think. Less than half the price of Sky movies a month and access to thousands of films and HD content. If you had something like an apple tv or an internet tv and a sub to them,, watch what you want when you want no ads.. or very little atleast.

                          I watched apollo 13 on Saturday and holy shite was it just me or did it take a break every 6 or so minutes. I dont mind E4 or Ch4 ads, but that itv2 is starting to get terrible with their movies and you have to listen to them 2 ugly b@stards and their crap sketches in them 118 embedded ads.. thats the most annoying ad on tv with the ghostbuster background music, and a ripoff service at that.

                          @Montebox, don't get me started on GOLD and DAVE.. BBC re runs with ads broadcast in bbc worldwide to other countries and all paid for by us under government rule. Bunch of fat cats with their 100k Bentleys taking us to the cleaners, I cant stand them.. dont know how they get away with it.
                          Last edited by Sirus; 16 May, 2011, 21:57.

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                          • philip35
                            Junior Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 29

                            #178
                            @sirus
                            think you may have got me wrong m8 i am not trying to say that kv are trying to con peeps more that is a business (an ileagle one at that) and eventualy its gonna go off(wages verses risk equation etc) i am not arsed as long as ive had my moneys worth which has been said on here lots of times it wont take long because of the firkin stupid prices sly and vermin charge for there "service" as you say its 90% working again the missus can watch as many ncis lawandorder dookikywatsits as she wants which stops her mithering me which is cool so dont think ill be selling it just yet. As for the sat route confused .com isnt in it my dad has a 1.5 meter motorised dish etc hes bin into this stuff for years and he keeps tryin to explain it to me "its dead simple all you need is a " then its back to trying to understand urdu or sommat maybee if i try the dedicated sat forums as you said i might be able to get my head round it

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                            • lagerland
                              V.I.P. Member
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 6031

                              #179
                              Dont think you need a dedicated sat forum mate i no there are a plenty of people on here will put u right just gone sat myself under ?200 works straight out the box so no brain damage my end.....................
                              I know you believe you understand what you think i said



                              >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BUT <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
                              I am not sure you realise that what you heard is not what i meant ! sigpic

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                              • swifty
                                Member
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 63

                                #180
                                so lagerland wots yur sat set up for ?200 cheers m8

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