the same fund that was used to bailout Greece and soon to be Portugal ?
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i thought that fund was done,either way we cannot afford 6 million a dayThe control of information is the consolidation of power
?I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain?s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.? ? Nathan Rothschild
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dont think its a case of not afford mate, UK economy would be in more trouble if they did not loan the money to Ireland because of close trade links. cant find out whether the money has arrived or not. Plenty BIG news headlines that are short on actual factual information.
This from No 10 press briefing yesterday
Asked if it was still the case as stated at the time of the Irish bailout, that Ireland would be the last country the UK would bail out, the PMS said that existing arrangements were in place in regards the last Government. The PMS said that Ireland was a different case because of its closeness to Britain and importance as a trading partner.
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If the RAF started carrying out bombing missions tomorrow in London on the unions demonstrating against the govt or the Army started sniping them from the rooftops then I'm sure a few here would be seeking help from abroad..
There are vicious dictators all around the world.. We can't go storming in to them all but we can't sit back and watch as a dictator uses air power and land assets against civilians..
It's in the UK national interest to act in Libya it's not in our national interest to act in Zimbabwe or the Congo or certain other areas..
Some people here whinge on about the UK not being a world police but then start banging the drum when every location isn't tackled..Last edited by opsmonkey; 26 March, 2011, 01:50.
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big difference here our civilians through a few stones in protest and smashed a few windows
in libya there civilians that are being shot at are driving round the streets with machine guns firing bullets and rockets in a war against the government
if us dk lot all got armed up to the teeth went to london and started shooting the queens guard and throwing grenades at the police at downing street im pretty sure our army in the UK would do exactly the same as gaddafi's and start shooting us civilians
Our army is there to serve queen and country if half our country rebelled against our regime that we are ruled by we would be forced to surrender to our own armed forces by any means that were deemed fit
What gaddafi's men are doing is what any other country would do and just about what every country has done at some point fight to either remain or gain the power and control of the nation
funny how we and cameron can take the moral high ground when as a country we have probably started more conflicts than any other nation with the rise of the great imperial British Empire as a nation what gaddafi is doing is nothing compared to our hunger of the worlds wealth we have probably killed more civilians than every other country in the world put togetherComment
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Not too distant past..? 43 years ago..
Little bit different what's happening in Libya.. I don't remember any 1000lb bombs being dropped on the civil rights marchers from 32000ft.. Or 155mm artillery shells launched against them..Comment
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ops you have seen action and are part of the military industrial complex so obviously your views are going to be slightly tainted towards the military,,you think its right to be there,but as you have pointed out previously you know more than most on this subject,being in the know etc,so with all due respect,and i mean this sincerely i cant see how you can comment from a neutral standpoint on this subject,which is what the rest are doing,you are not from a neutral standpoint,in fact you are far from it,,as i said,with all due respect,,so please dont flame me with insultsThe control of information is the consolidation of power
?I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain?s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.? ? Nathan Rothschild
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'If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.'
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I think you will find that it wasn't 43 years ago.. It was 1972. And for most on here that's not a long time ago!
The big difference is not the size of bombs that are being dropped and the artillery shells launched. It both points to civilians being innocently killed by the governing millitary.
The big difference is that most of the world know quite a lot about what's happening in Libya due to TV coverage and the net, where as Northern Ireland and in particular Derry the world has only just found out (for sure) fairly recently what happened, due the UK millitary and Gov trying there upmost to cover it up.Comment
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Lets just wait for WIKILEAKS to tell us the TRUTH about how the merciful West saved Libya from a dictator, just like they did with Iraq & Afghanistan.SLOWLY, OUR FREEDOM IS BEING ERASED.
SOON, WE WILL JUST BE A NUMBER.
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wasnt there internal strife in wikileaks recently, maybe they can bomb the sh1t outta that too.
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the thread is about the Libyan situation please keep it to that.. btw if you start a thread like this then anybody has a right to comment you cannot exclude them on grounds of percieved bias..
Just keep it on topic.Last edited by caveman_nige; 13 April, 2011, 20:19.
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To my mind Gadaffi is a tyrant that needs to be toppled. We courted him very recently and I am pretty much sure 'release of Lockerbie bomber for your oil supplies please' is not going to be too far off the mark. With that kind of brinkmanship how do you expect the likes of Gadaffi to behaive.
I think no fly zone is correct, but I am not comfortable at all with what seems to be one sided assistance for the armed 'rebels'.
Why on earth the UK is stumping up cash for this cause is beyond me. The Arab League has memebers that have both the air power to carry out a proper no fly zone against an aging Ex Soviet Libyian airforce, and certainly the finances to ensure that EU countries are not out of pocket.
Saudi Arabia has masses of US planes that could easily do the job, but no, it might look bad. Leave to the Brits etc. Yes it's about oil, but it's not as clear as seems. The real pressure comes from other nations in the area who supply oil too.
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Gaddafi has been a tyrant since taking over Libya in 1969 i want even born until 1976 why are we waiting until now to topple him?
apparantly the bomber if you believe what is being said in print and on tv just the other night on a panorama or dispatches (cant remember which show) was released at BP's request so a deal could be sone in Libya
If as a country we wanted to topple gadaffi it should have been done after lockerbie not 23 years later
i do not believe that for 1 second be it cameron,hague or blair and brown give 2 ~~~s about either the libyan people or the people of iraq they dont care to much for their own in the UK
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