Bonny Jockland

[bonus2010]

I'd definitely vote for Scottish independence... not because I think Scotland will be better off. I honestly don't know, don't care either. I think if a country is going to call itself a country, then the people should take the full responsibility to manage their own affairs independently of any other country. I don?t know of any country outside of the UK where this occurs.

I?ve been impressed with the support for the Scottish National Party. Until Scotland has independence, I?ll never see the point of a Scottish Parliament. At the moment, it seems like a glorified Council Office, having limited powers. If an elected parliament can?t represent their people fully then it?s pointless?

Politicians speak about the break up of the United Kingdom, but would Scotland running their own affairs independently really mean this? after all, we could still be a member of the United Kingdom, as we are members of the European Union. (Just a thought). Bearing in mind, I?ve heard some resentment from people in England expressing concerns about Scottish Westminster MPs voting on issues that affect England & Wales only. (This is not good.. and contravenes what Parliaments should be about)


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[johnboy1974]

love bick eck hes the best politician in the uk but i would not vote for independance as i think the union is and always has been good for scotland so i see no need to go it alone. As for the referendum i think the vast majority of scots will opose independance.

[Lainie]

much as i think its a good idea i dont think it would work as we dont have the population to support it.

[Grizz]

go for it guys. the way Europe is subsuming our little countries we need all the Independence we can get....

[Lainie]

ps its bonnie scotland


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNLyZ17imyM"]YouTube - Scotland World Cup Squad 82 - We Have A Dream[/ame]

[Lainie]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6511f4Iol4s]YouTube - We'll Be Coming[/ame]

[thered]

ps its bonnie scotland

depends were yer looking at lainie


btw thats no a racist slur i am part jock

me nans a mcloud from the clan mcloud and me grandads ferguson

as in son of fergus of galloway

im as scottish as an englishman can be and i dont like getting the beers in either

[Lainie]

@ the red no offence taken - ive been called much worse. hope you are playing them choons

[thered]

@ the red no offence taken - ive been called much worse. hope you are playing them choons

i have me kilt on now listening we have our own clan tartan

btw the second ones a bit catchy

[bobwill]

I think independance for scotland will have a bigger effect on england as without scottish MPs labour would not get into power and england and wales would have a tory goverment for the forseable future .
I wondered why is it scotland vote snp for scottish parliament but nearly always vote labour for westminster ?

[Xram]

I think independance for scotland will have a bigger effect on england as without scottish MPs labour would not get into power and england and wales would have a tory goverment for the forseable future .
I wondered why is it scotland vote snp for scottish parliament but nearly always vote labour for westminster ?

Well that's an easy one if every one in Scotland voted SNP for Westminster then there would still not be enough SNP MPs for a government they would need at best a coalition. Labour get the vote of the Scottish people as they still remember what Maggie did to Industry not only in Scotland but the uk as a whole.
Oh xant14 the snp would shut the Gareloch down as they don't want nuclear power let alone arms there is after all a new holiday destination for you .

[thered]

just to ignite an old thread


and lets say you have lots of oil in the north sea as been mentioned and you can keep it who is going to protect it and your country as a whole and its assets the talk is a toy army and no nuclear weapons

will you be in the EU?

Will you be able to fund nhs?

who will pay state pensions?

what happens to english living in scotland and scottish living in england what happens if they want to return home?

have you give it any thought? or is it if it comes around we will see how it goes

[Hoppy01]

If this had been a couple of years ago then a would have said no, no and no again, but something has made me change my opinion which is unusual for me.
A think it might have started shortly after the banking crisis/MPs scandal, since then a kinda lost the little faith a had in our system so maybe am thinking that we can't do any worse if independent

Then there was Iraq, Libya and anywhere else Uncle Sam felt like bombing, a mean why the f*** are we involved and why are our lads still over there dying.
Britain gets involved in too many conflicts and we bow way too much to America.
A independent Scotland wouldn't have the military muscle to get involved, sounds good to me.
While we are at it lets stop hiding behind the deterrent bull**** argument and ditch those nasty nukes and spend the billions saved on, a don't know maybe a kids hospital or something.

Our current system is a bloated mess full of red tape and bureaucracy that serves a bunch of MPs who just don't give a sh**.
We have watched our security and standard of life get less every year as has our rights and the class divide is now bigger than ever.
Only one of my mates has a permanent job, the rest are all on week to week contracts and they are highly skilled.

My main reason for wanting independence is that its time for Scotland to stand on its own two feet, we should never be happy at being subsidised, especially when you look at Scotland's CV and track record for invention.
Our people are very innovative and with a small dynamic economy not bogged down with huge military commitments, anything could happen.
Am not saying that we will do any better, but at least it would be us that f***** it up.
In the long run it may help our relationship with England, we wouldn't be able to blame each other for the nations problems.

Scotland wont go independent, most people like the blanket of the union and feel Scotland isn't ready for it yet but a wouldn't write off wee King Alec.
A was against independence a few years ago and now a think different, a wonder how many more will feel the same when its put to the vote.
A wanna make it clear though that a have no problem with English people, if the roles were reversed a would respect anyone who wants to stand on their own two feet and am sure a lot of English feel the same.

[chas7]

well said hoppy01, agree 100% nukes out,



still undecided thou

[Shady]

lets say that scotland gets independence.. its totally its own country, has its own money, border controls etc and the north sea oil...

When and if England and or the US want that oil, we WILL come and take it, because thats what we do..

Will it be right?
no.

But thats what the empire was built on..

And when we come and take it, and scots (quite rightly) get pissed off about us taking it, we will invade and turn scotland into another Northern Ireland.

Its in our nature.