Legal high's

[garry1312]

Garry that has got to be the most ignorant thing I've ever heard!

because i don't take drugs, my opinion isn't valid?

my opinion as a mum and the type of future i want for my son is extremely valid.

and as for money, it was you who mentioned it and i quote ' So why not
start making people safe by legalising some
drugs dont even need to be them all, make
money in doing so' and it was you who went off topic in the first place by even mentioning illegal drugs.

so get off your high horse (pun intended) and actually look at the bigger picture.

how long will it be after they do make them legal that the number of neo natal deaths increase, the number of children born with defects because they are legal so that must mean theyre safe will increase?

just because you are 'sensible' about doesn't mean everyone else is or will be.

No i am not saying your opinion is invalid but half of your opinion is not your own opinion it is textbook material.

And yes I was still on topic I said a way to tackle these legal highs would be by legalising some other drugs which would hopefully stop people trying to create legal highs with similar effects so please tell me how that is off topic?

As for your opinion that you dont want to see people out there faces on drugs walk down the down I bet you will bump in to plenty of junkies out there face, go to a nightclub at the weekend and possibly even half the people in there will be on some substance or another.

Drugs are not going away trying to fight them is only making more drugs become available they will start out as legal highs be made illegal and still be available.

I like the odd smoke and up until recently I could not have given a damn if cannabis was made legal but now with all these legal highs I think some drugs should be made legal, the reason these legal highs are doing so well is because they mimick the other drugs and there legal and because there legal some think there safe and others know that it will stop them being charged with possesion, difference is we know a lot about those other drugs we know ~~~~ all about these legal high's.

[richy_rich]

so someone who has just shot up, could be safely left in charge of children, you can't compare a couple of drinks to class A drugs, like heroin.

Eh? That's quite a leap. Would someone who'd just downed a bottle of vodka make a good childminder?

Anyway, the only person comparing drugs and drink here is you. There's little point in comparing them as they're different, even class A drugs differ, you couldn't compare say LSD and heroin either. The classification is a legal one, not some level of how incapable you become after taking them.

Heroin is an effective anagesic, it can be given to cancer paitients to relieve pain, some of whom doubtless look after children and would probably be a bit miffed by being stereptyped as junkies. Like there's a spectrum of alcohol users between sipping champagne at the ritz and a tramp drinking fortified wine under a bridge there is a similar range of drug use patterns.

Not all heroin users inject, for example. . .

[tshirtman]

Eh? That's quite a leap. Would someone who'd just downed a bottle of vodka make a good childminder?

Anyway, the only person comparing drugs and drink here is you. There's little point in comparing them as they're different, even class A drugs differ, you couldn't compare say LSD and heroin either. The classification is a legal one, not some level of how incapable you become after taking them.

Heroin is an effective anagesic, it can be given to cancer paitients to relieve pain, some of whom doubtless look after children and would probably be a bit miffed by being stereptyped as junkies. Like there's a spectrum of alcohol users between sipping champagne at the ritz and a tramp drinking fortified wine under a bridge there is a similar range of drug use patterns.

Not all heroin users inject, for example. . .

I wasn't the one who brought alcohol in to this discussion,
someone who drinks a bottle of vodka isn't a sensible drinker
and there is a big difference between street heroin and pharmaceutical morphine.
I don't need educating about drugs, I work with drug users and addicts.

[richy_rich]

Yes, morphine is a different but similar drug and more addictive than heroin which is why in some countries doctors prefer to proscribe heroin (pharmaceutical), but the point is that not all users end up as the stereotypical junkie. Many carry on normal, functional lives. Not just those taking it for medical reasons either, you just don't hear about them.

[tshirtman]

this is my last reply to this thread, but I cant let it be left hanging with a belief that "heroin" is used by cancer patient themselves,
I am talking as a qualified nurse now, yes morphine is prescribed to cancer patients, but in the form of Vicodin, or tramadol, when cancer sufferers are in there last days, they will be given morphine(IV/IM), by a Macmillan nurse, or in a hospital/hospice(it's a controlled drug), not administered by themselves, unlike a heroin user who doesn't know what, or the quantity there putting into there body,
so please stop comparing heroin users and cancer patients.

[richy_rich]

No problem. But morphine and heroin are different drugs. "Under the chemical names diamorphine and diacetylmorphine, heroin is a legally prescribed controlled drug in the United Kingdom, and is supplied in tablet or injectable form for the same indications as morphine is, often being preferred over morphine due to its lower side-effect profile."

[garry1312]

personally I cant condone the use of heroin very risky drug.

I have myself met someone that had a good job, good wage, own home, did not look like a junkie and very clean and well kept yet was a heroin user. The thing is at the end of the it is odd to come across this type of user but most likely they are still addicted to that drug and need it..... so that is still no way to live your life.

[cgscott]

I know someone who had a good job, wife own house 2 kids and took heroin.

Havent seen him in 3 years and i know he is no longer with his wife or kids.

[garry1312]

I know someone who had a good job, wife own house 2 kids and took heroin.

Havent seen him in 3 years and i know he is no longer with his wife or kids.

Yeah silly thing to mess around with or touch full stop.

[firestorm]

I know someone who had a good job, wife own house 2 kids and took heroin.

Havent seen him in 3 years and i know he is no longer with his wife or kids.

I knew some one a good friend, had 2 kids a nice house used to smoke a bit of weed, but wife put a stop to it and he started drinking now hes in the grave yard fell down stairs blind drunk.
We can all name these stories.I have a friend a very good friend that is a drug councilor not your run of the mill councilor.This guy writes in The Times about addiction he has appeared before parliamentary committee.He told me that the hardest drug to kick the habit is alcohol then followed by methamphetamine.
The trouble with drugs like coke ,smack E's is that they are not made under lab conditions they are always cut to increase profits by criminal gangs.These gangs do not give a shit what they put in them a lot of coke is now cut with strong anti depressants which cause addiction and bad come downs in them selves.If drugs were legal they have there strength and purity controlled.
At the end of the day show me one successful uses of Prohibition it dose not happen and causes alot more problems than it solves.

[Snowy79]

If you want a legal high take up Parachuting.