Are people not allowed to state their opinions anymore ?

[lfc4life]

Yep u r right

[Krypton]

Okay guys we obviously have differing opinions on what constitutes racism beyond the color of one's skin....

yes we do.

see to me the things you put across there redspider are nothing more than derogatory and disrespectful remarks not racism

yes they are racism. i see your point about skin tone, but MY point is that if you talk about a subject, you should be stating from facts not, what you or anybody else thinks.
from what i can gather, the whole reason this thread was started was beacuse of ps3/360 fanboys. and you know what? they're fanboys because they are not operating from facts.

I'd love to know why some people are taking the things I'm saying personally and getting a little hostile over it

WTF?!!! May I point you to your earlier comment
And who really bothers to read dictionaries in the real world ? If you wanna talk about the FACTS.....then you tell me how is skin color hate not racism then, as you think you're so smart you tell me.......
That to me was a hostile remark, but heaven forbid anybody disagree or be hostile with you!

We are all in agreement that to dislike someone for the color of their skin is racism, now the question I have is how is it racism if it's got nothing to do with the color of a person's skin ? Because so far nobody has been able to adequately explain that to me

How adequately do you want it explained?
redspider listed the seperate races of human life
1) Mongoloid (Asian and American Indian)
2) Caucasoid (European)
3) Australoid (Australian and oceanic)
4) Negroes (east African black)
5) Capoid (south African black

i have given you the FACTUAL meaning of the word racism.
if this isnt clear enough, im wasting my time

I can understand how calling someone nigger or paki is wrong but it doesn't make it anymore wrong than calling someone a tramp or a pikey

i agree with you that pikey is as bad as nigger as the gypsies are a race of people, but calling somebody a tramp is not racism, i was a scruffy english kid at school and got called tramp a lot, i didnt get called it because of my race....get it?

and it certainly doesn't make the person a racist for saying them words

yes it does. for instance, nigger is derived from negroid, hence it is a derogatory term for that race.

that's the point I'm making that a few people are having trouble processing so it seems. If anybody can respectfully point out where and why I'm wrong I'm all ears to your opinions and thoughts I really am

i have no trouble processing your views my friend, and with respect, I HAVE pointed out respectfully where you are wrong. I have stated facts and have basically got "well im right and you're wrong" thrown back at me.
Its funny, you talk about respect and yet you show none to other peoples views


I don't want to fall out with anyone, and I agree with some of your points ie the double standards where racism is concerned.
You seem to be of the opinion that the meaning of racism has only recently appeared, but as I have endeavoured to point out to you, the literal meaning in the dictionary has been around since time immemorial.
please when you reply to this post remember that respect is a two way street.

[thered]

i think rules should always be obeyed and everyone should be nice to each other at all times and all opinions should be kept to oneself


i always abide by thse very same principles and that is why i am so massively popular because i do not offend anyone


btw raven i have not read all the posts in this thread only the first few but i cant imagine you upsetting anyone m8

[lfc4life]

If its a 2 way street ! Then one end of the street must be blocked

[thered]

just had a read through a few more posts for me everyone is racist every single last person because we all do it we all look down on people

and for me thats what racism is looking at someone and thinking you are better than them whether it be a road sweeper a black man or a disabled man we all at somepoint think we are better than someone else which is essentially what racism is,

i can see what raven was getting at and a lot of racism does boil down to skin colour especiially in the past because negroes were classed as slaves which is why a lot of racism exists because white man looked down on black man and some still do

so if we are honest we are all racist and we all at times look down on people whether it be colour,country,brains or looks we are all racist whether we choose to believe it or not

it days gone by it could have been called stuck up or snobbery but it all largely amounts to the same thing.

racism is natural for everyone but these race hate preachers go way to far

[Raven]

@ Krypton....mate we just have differing opinions, to the point of the "tramp" I didn't mean that as in scruffy kids at school I meant literally as in beggars and homeless people.....the point is exactly the same and that's looking down on people.

As for my point about hostility, there's been one or two people in this thread whose comments I took as a little hostile be it because of ignorence or otherwise, which I responded to.....this thread's got nothing to do with fanboy wars it's totally to do with the question of wether or not we are allowed to voice our opinions nowadays without being openly disrespected for it....it's quite clear to me that point was proven that you're not allowed to without being disrespected. Now what that's got to do with racism is anyone's guess but the racism debate is another example of how people look down on one another and confuse the issue.....like I said before I've got no problem with anybody stating their opinions wether they agree with me or not so long as they do it respectfully and without ignorence.....that's the fact of the matter and that's the be all and end all is respect. Like I said before you get back whatever you give where respect is concerned. And I've said it before time and again I do respect other people and their opinions....I've said that many a time in fact. As for the "I'm right, you're wrong!" all I was saying is we have differing opinions that is all.....I wasn't saying you're wrong and I wasn't saying I'm right as a matter of fact - just I was respectfully stating my opinions as you were stating your opinions and I apologise if you took offence to the things I said as that wasn't my deliberate intention. That's what this whole thread is really about is stating opinions and doing so respectfully but unfortunately evidently some people openly look down on others and don't like to be told.....and I'm not suggesting it's you either m8.

@ thered I agree with that mate, we all look down on others at the end of the day and think we are better when we aren't. Some do it alot more than other's. But that's another element of racism as you said, at least in terms of disrespect or superiority or whatever, and it's also the reason why some people correct or not can't comment on someone else's opinion without being disrespectful about it.....To bring this thing full circle I'll say it again difference in opinion is one thing but respect and disrespect is another thing totally. From what I can tell alot of people either confuse one for the other or quite simply don't care at all how they come across because it doesn't affect them. I mean that generally by the way, I'm not targeting anybody specifically on here.

I said it in the first place and I'll say it again racism to me is to dislike someone for the color of their skin and the other stuff is to do with ignorence basically - that's my opinion....I'm not saying I'm right as a matter of fact and I'm not even saying I'm right at all I just said all along that those are my opinions as I see them. Same goes for every opinion I stated for that matter. I don't see what the big problem is or what I'm meant to have done to upset people ? Other than state an opinion respectfully and tell it like it is or try to, as I see it.....however I do know that I was disrespected myself for that. Which I guess proved my point in the first place.....

[RedSpider]

Okay guys we obviously have differing opinions on what constitutes racism beyond the color of one's skin....see to me the things you put across there redspider are nothing more than derogatory and disrespectful remarks not racism (altho I at the spaniard/diego one ive never heard that one before!) but to me those statements aren't racist, just derogatory and disrespectful and for me racism is purely to do with the color of someone's skin....at least that's what it was when I was growing up. And to be fair I don't see how it's any different now......I do wonder though about the people who say racism is many different things and if they would have said the same thing 20 years ago or if they are just being politically correct ?

I'd love to know why some people are taking the things I'm saying personally and getting a little hostile over it, it's just my opinions and I'm not out to get anyone I wanna be friends too - just don't be getting hostile just because you think I'm wrong or you dislike my opinion. Let's keep the respect above all else eh ?

We are all in agreement that to dislike someone for the color of their skin is racism, now the question I have is how is it racism if it's got nothing to do with the color of a person's skin ? Because so far nobody has been able to adequately explain that to me - my opinion is that it's a fact that it's an inaccurate tag - as I said before when you strip all the excess away ignorance is ignorance, disrespect is disrespect, derogatory is derogatory, and in the same respect racism is racism....it's simple to me I don't get why people feel the need to complicate things. Like how is it racist to call someone a "nigger" or a "paki" and yet it's alright to call another human being a "tramp" or a "pikey" if they are beggars or gypsies - to me all them words are one and the same - derogatory, on that front there's no difference.

I can understand how calling someone nigger or paki is wrong but it doesn't make it anymore wrong than calling someone a tramp or a pikey wherever else the word fits or it shouldn't do...and it certainly doesn't make the person a racist for saying them words....that's the point I'm making that a few people are having trouble processing so it seems. If anybody can respectfully point out where and why I'm wrong I'm all ears to your opinions and thoughts I really am......but to me calling somebody any of those words or openly showing racism makes you in the wrong, out of line and totally out of order since there's no need for it - but it doesn't make you a racist. It does make you two faced, like the guy who has a black friend but calls a black person he doesn't like or has an argument or fight with a nigger......fundamentally it's no different to calling someone a dickhead I'm sorry but it's really not. It's derogatory statements said for the same purpose and not racism. Oh but we call it racism, but that's not what it is. And it's done by all sides aswell not just white people, but it's only white people that seem to get screwed over for it though. Tell me then how is it any less "racist" if a black person calls a white person "cueball" - it isn't....but they still get away with not being called a racist by everyone.....and that's what's wrong today, things are lopsided and suddenly different to alot of people as and when it suits them and evidently they don't like being told and they take it personally. And even though it is that way, it shouldn't be......

it's granted that racism associated by colour is the most common form of racism.
i'm just pointing out that racism does run deeper than just colour alone

[Raven]

That it does redspider I mean to me racism is still color of one's skin and the other elements of racism is ignorence....saying this that's what all racism is, intolerance born out of ignorence....so ultimately we are all correct about racism when you think about it, but some people's interpretations are different as a matter of opinion alone.....that's all I'm trying to respectfully point out there m8

By the way I'd like to take this moment to apologise if I seemed a little off with people over the last few days, although it doesn't excuse it I have had quite abit of stick over the past few days and my grandad has recently taken ill aswell so I suppose I naturally kinda developed abit of a seige mentality.....anyhow I apologise if I took it out on any of you guys.

[Devilfish]

Is this thread still going on...oh man...

[gmb45]

Is this thread still going on...oh man...

sure is df i think it will go on a bit yet

[RedSpider]

when did it become about racism anyway?

[gmb45]

when did it become about racism anyway?

dont know m8 but i think its something that should really be kept to oneself

[Raven]

when did it become about racism anyway?

Let me correct you, if you don't mind.... it never became about racism, my point was always the same and that was are we not allowed to state our own opinions anymore without being disrespected for it......now the reason it deviated into the realm of racism of all topics was because I was originally making 2 points 1 being how is it ok to call a homeless person a tramp or a gypsie a pikey when it's not alright to call a black person a nigger or an indian a paki as they are all derogatory statements and wrong, the second point I was making was my opinion that racism was to do with color of skin and that the rest of it was ignorence - in my previous post I actually said that ultimately that's what all racism is; ignorance.

As for my original point and therefore what this whole thread is about well that point was proven.....since I was disrespected for stating an opinion.

I want you to know I don't hold any grudges or anything but I'm just telling it how it is......

Speaking of which it's nice of you all not to even acknowledge my apology in the previous post by the way but to stick to the racism thing.....that's why this thread is still going on because if my previous post is owt to go by then you haven't seen anything else in the thread worth the bother to comment on other than the racism thing. Well I've made my points anyway, Devilfish feel free to close this thread because it won't go anywhere at this point.

[jasbo7]

Please close this......apart from the same thing said all the time it's driving me mad. BTW everybody has an opinion about everything and YOU CAN if you wish KEEP it to yourself.

[Don_P]

jeez, from the first post, howd this go to a racism? Power to the people - voices will be heard - except whatever jeremy clarkson has to say