IS this a racist remark

[opsmonkey]

sorry Lainie the term 'Paki' is highly racist.. the correct term and accepted one is Pak as that is the corrected abbreviation for Pakistan..

How you can think the word 'Paki' is not racist is a shock..

[flyingpig]

Good evening guy's I have a question for you, A freind of mine who is black was talking to a work mate who is white. The white worker was going to spain for a holiday, The black mate remarked so you will be nice and tanned when you get back, The white mate replied in a agressive way and pointed to his face and said no i don't think so i am white (THESE TWO PEOPLE ARE NOT MATES ONLY COLLEAGES) Who have a history between them. So is there anyway the black mate could complain about the white mate making a racist comment in the work place.

Read this and the comments and although I agree with some, this to me is a rascist remark and if your colleague made a complaint I would think it would be valid.

The reason being is that he asked if would be nice and tanned (no mention of colour) and the other work colleague has replied that he wont be because he is white....

What a crock of sh!te..... I am white, I go away on holiday and I come back tanned, I come back tanned because I am white. - but generally like a lobster but hey ho.

So for me one colleague has made the colour of the skin an issue, and by pointing and saying about being white is intended as a rascist remark.

[Bulld0g]

sorry Lainie the term 'Paki' is highly racist.. the correct term and accepted one is Pak as that is the corrected abbreviation for Pakistan..

How you can think the word 'Paki' is not racist is a shock..

Gotta disagree there ops, Paki is short for Pakistani. My sons best mate is part Pakistani, his parents both coming from there although he was born here and i asked him if he found the word "Paki" offensive, he said only if it's meant that way.

[opsmonkey]

Hmmm.. You'd have a hard time persuading an employment tribunal / court of law that you meant the term 'paki' in a non racist way..

Maybe its a generational thing..??

My granddad and nan saw nothing wrong with referring to a black person as a 'nigger' and not in a negative way..

" You know.. Nigger Charlie from Number 35.."

However attitudes change

[Bulld0g]

Yea i know where your coming from m8 but my son's m8 is younger than you . I wasn't referring to work but people using the term in general. It was him who said, "only if it's meant that way" not me. He's a really inoffensive laid back person and is probably more tolerant than most people i know.
I do know if someone was aggresive to him and called him an effin Paki, then he would probably kill them

[flyingpig]

Yea i know where your coming from m8 but my son's m8 is younger than you . I wasn't referring to work but people using the term in general. It was him who said, "only if it's meant that way" not me. He's a really inoffensive laid back person and is probably more tolerant than most people i know.
I do know if someone was aggresive to him and called him an effin Paki, then he would probably kill them

It depends on who uses the term Paki, and what they mean by the term. My friend Aisha is of Asian (her grandparents were from India) descent who grew up in Huyton - Liverpool at the same time as me, we were good mates, she used to get called Paki and it is the most insulting thing ever, as she is from England, she is as English as anyone else who was born in this country, and she classes herself as English and so do I.

The fact of the matter that people who call her Paki are obviously stupid because her gradnparents where from India and not Pakistan. To refer to someone as a Paki when you dont know there origin is ignorant and racist!

Edit - just read this back and need to add this bit, and to call someone Paki and mean it in a derogatory term regardless of who you are is wrong and racist. Also any person in the conversation finds that term offensive - then - it is offensive.

[Bulld0g]

Totally agree with you m8. One of the local shops actually put a sign in the window saying "we are indians not pakis" A lot of youths hang out around there so i can only assume they had been given a dogs life by them and felt compelled to put the sign up.

Live and let live,there are good and bad in all walks of life regardless of what colour or race you are. You should take people as you find them.

[cunny]

I think its the past history between the pair, not the comments thats the history. To prove someone racist can be very difficult, and on the other hand, firms, dont want that kind of casses in their work place.

I was once pulled in by my manager, saying to lay off a turkish lad, I was not racist in any shape or form towards him, he was trying to play pranks on people, and tried it on with me, well it ended up him going for a bucket of steam from the process department.

He caused issues with the people he worked with, and tried to get people into very serious trouble (gross misconduct) because of his error.

To cut the story short, he now has very little people to talk to ect on the whole site because he has made up lies ect and nobody can trust/want to speak to the person.

As for the racism, there were a few sly comments made towards him, but only after he made them towards those in question, those i know not to be racist, were actually very close to losing thier jobs through him.

So its not only white people who can be racist, it can work from any culture and background ect

[patkins]

Posters to this thread are debating for and against as to whether the issue is racism.
The real issue here is provocation resulting in racist remark.
Let us not forget the cause of the problem.

[flyingpig]

Posters to this thread are debating for and against as to whether the issue is racism.
The real issue here is provocation resulting in racist remark.
Let us not forget the cause of the problem.

What was the provocation? Also, what is the cause of the problem? Is coz he was black?

The OP was asking it was a racist remark..

[patkins]

It is not a racist remark for me to say to a black person that I am white.Apart from the obvious that I am white I am not insulting the black person as I have not said anything in that statement about the black person.
Both people have "history" -from that I take it that while they are collegues they don't see eye to eye.
It is not mentioned that the black person is taking action and the white person is probably wrong in denying that he won't get a tan.
The white person has probably replied in that manner suspecting provocation which,while not having actually been there myself, was the motive.

[Canker_Canison]

I think there might be an answer to this somewhere in here.... courtesy of Chris Rock.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iau-e6HfOg0]YouTube - Can white people say nigger ?[/ame]

[opsmonkey]

Totally agree with you m8. One of the local shops actually put a sign in the window saying "we are indians not pakis" A lot of youths hang out around there so i can only assume they had been given a dogs life by them and felt compelled to put the sign up.

I hope that wasn't Joe's shop.. he was treated like a dog on the lecy side and even when he moved into the Moorfields shop on Shevington's Lane..

Really nice guy, loads of time for his customers, always had a good chat with him on a Sunday when getting my dads papers or when calling in to get my cigs (years ago when i smoked )

I remember a brainless scab coming in one day and having a go at him because he'd sold out of rizla.. When the coont left Joe said "Funny thing is Chris I'm Indian" and just laughed out loud..

Must take a lot to rise above the shite he used to get.. shame its still going on if its the same guy

[wfhr]

The black mate was making an effort to get along, so was the white mate, From what i saw leading up to this. They both said morning to eachother every day. I knew okay they aint going to be the best of mates but at least they were both trying, Keeping harmony at work between all the lads, Then all this happened ! You have to remember the white mate did mention to him about going on holiday to spain . So they were talking to each other in some capacity

[wfhr]

Calm down son, This is a situation i stumbled upon at work and i only asked what people thought .