Award of a ?3bn train contract to Siemens of Germany

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  • bonus2010
    V.I.P. Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 1962

    #1

    Award of a ?3bn train contract to Siemens of Germany

    Caught a story on Sky News or was it BBC News 24 about our government awarding a contract to manufacture trains to Siemens, Germany instead of a UK firm.. I say 'caught' because, the video footage must have lasted no more than 10 seconds, such as is the importance of reporting British news .. these days.

    I'd say the story is more important than 'phone hacking', because it concerns British jobs. It seems that our government is not interested in creating British jobs in the private sector..

    Had to look on internet for some more details,, that I'm sharing.

    "
    The Labour Party has added to the pressure on David Cameron over the controversial decision to award a ?3bn train contract to Siemens of Germany, warning the choice to send the work abroad could affect up to 20,000 UK jobs and demanding a full review of the way the selection was made.

    In a letter sent to the prime minister at the weekend, shadow business secretary John Denham and his transport counterpart Maria Eagle said awarding the Thameslink trains deal to Siemens rather than the Bombardier factory in Derby "dealt a body-blow to British manufacturing." Last week, in a veiled reference to the Siemens decision, two cabinet ministers wrote to Cameron expressing concerns that UK-based firms are losing out to European rivals in significant procurement contests.

    Echoing concerns from local politicians and trade union officials in Derby, Denham and Eagle said: "The only remaining company which designs, builds, maintains and exports trains and parts in the UK is now in peril. The effect of losing such a company would not only impact on the workforce and their families in Derby. The supply chain that provides high-quality parts and services will be undermined by the loss of a key manufacturing company, with huge repercussions."

    Eagle and Denham added that the decision could have serious repercussions for up to 20,000 jobs, including the 6,000 people employed by the Canadian company directly in the UK. Bombardier has announced that it is reviewing its UK operations in the wake of the Thameslink decision and last week a delegation of business and council leaders from Derby lobbied Bombardier executives at the headquarters of the company's transport division in Berlin.

    "The wider impact could affect up to 20,000 jobs in the supply chain," said the letter. "At a time when economic growth remains weak, such a threat to so many people's jobs cannot be allowed to happen unless all possible solutions have been explored."
    Denham and Eagle added that future rolling stock awards, for the Crossrail and High Speed Two projects, are likely to be tilted in favour of the company producing the 1,200 Thameslink carriages, which will run on a north-south rail line that bisects the capital.

    "It is clear that this decision could put the country's ability to compete for these high-value contracts at a serious disadvantage," the letter states. Calling for a review of the decision, it adds: "The Thameslink contract needs to undergo a full independent review. A review must take into account the effect on the UK economy that the loss of this contract to a foreign consortium would create."
    Last week a letter to Cameron from Philip Hammond, the transport secretary, and Vince Cable, the business secretary, implied that other European countries are more protective of their industrial interests when handing out manufacturing contracts. "There is a perception that other EU countries appear to manage their public procurement processes with a sharper focus on domestic supply than we have hitherto," said the letter.

    Cable and Hammond said a review of how the government can boost the private sector should "examine what more we can do to improve the business environment for companies competing for government contracts". However, the letter noted that EU rules require equal, transparent and non-discriminatory treatment of bidders for government contracts.

    Nonetheless, union officials believe other EU states manage to protect their domestic interests despite the strict rules. The Unite trade union said the UK should follow the example of Germany, where state-backed Deutsche Bahn awarded a ?6bn (?5.4bn) high-speed train contract to Siemens.

    However, EU procurement guidelines state explicitly that governments must not base contract awards on a bidder's location or nationality. Speaking after a Siemens-led consortium was announced as preferred bidder for the contract last month, the rail minister, Theresa Villiers, said the deal would create 2,000 jobs in the rail industry supply chain. However, the trains will be built in Germany with only components being made in the UK.

    "Siemens as preferred bidder for this contract represents the best value for money for taxpayers," she said. "It will create around 2,000 jobs and will provide Thameslink passengers with modern, greener and more reliable trains." "

    Link to Guardian newspaper article here


    Hey, I'm just sorry for the loss of British jobs here... Just wonder if Britain's EU partners follow 'the EU guidelines' as closely as the UK. And... if UK manufacturers cant rely on the UK government to award a contract... then what chance have we got?
  • racin-snake
    V.I.P. Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 2285

    #2
    "WELL DONE THAT MAN"

    nicely "caught "

    now you see how a story can be strangled by the media
    especially one with importance of jobs and foreign contracts

    as we have all seen the bids just get higher after the contracts sighed

    extremely well done mate opening your eyes and seeing what's there underneath
    one willing to look at somic that was gonna be a couple of minutes air time then ignored
    superb !!!


    Nonetheless, union officials believe other EU states manage to protect their domestic interests despite the strict rules. The Unite trade union said the UK should follow the example of Germany, where state-backed Deutsche Bahn awarded a ?6bn (?5.4bn) high-speed train contract to Siemens.

    However, EU procurement guidelines state explicitly that governments must not base contract awards on a bidder's location or nationality. Speaking after a Siemens-led consortium was announced as preferred bidder for the contract last month, the rail minister, Theresa Villiers, said the deal would create 2,000 jobs in the rail industry supply chain. However, the trains will be built in Germany with only components being made in the UK.
    Last edited by racin-snake; 6 July, 2011, 18:00.
    Today is the Tomorrow you worried about yesterday ......Was it worth it ?

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    • Meat-Head
      V.I.P. Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 32000

      #3
      Yeah, but, no wounder AH lost 2WW with they way they make stuff - hidden screws, either dead simple to work on ot TOATAL nightmare - Torx screw everywhere

      Breathe you have to plug a computer in to reset something.

      When complete does the flusher need resetting on the bog evry 50 flushes?

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      • bonus2010
        V.I.P. Member
        • Mar 2010
        • 1962

        #4
        Originally posted by Meat-Head
        Yeah, but, no wounder AH lost 2WW with they way they make stuff - hidden screws, either dead simple to work on ot TOATAL nightmare - Torx screw everywhere

        Breathe you have to plug a computer in to reset something.

        When complete does the flusher need resetting on the bog evry 50 flushes?


        Yes...em..well. I'll just agree with you on this one.

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        • C64
          V.I.P. Member
          • Mar 2008
          • 2394

          #5
          What this report has missed out on is the fact that if Bombardier had won the contract, they themselves would not have been using any UK suppliers for all the internal fittings and furnishings.

          Bombardier where themselves not going to support UK industry, so fcuk them!

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          • bonus2010
            V.I.P. Member
            • Mar 2010
            • 1962

            #6
            Hey, witchy... ~~~~in brilliant!

            You're maybe correct... as I've said, wasn't much discussion about this on the news, so I simply don't know the full story.

            News air-time seems to be consumed by 'phone hacking'... I'm amazed MPs are so shocked... I've known about phone hacking for years and years.

            Anyway... so are Siemens going to let UK manufacturers make the upholstry for the seating arrangements on the train....? If so, that's a big relief. The Germans can make all the heavy complicated engineering bits... and we've got the cusions covered!!!!

            BTW... genuinely do like your new avatar

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            • Meat-Head
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              • Oct 2009
              • 32000

              #7
              Originally posted by bonus2010
              News air-time seems to be consumed by 'phone hacking'... I'm amazed MPs are so shocked... I've known about phone hacking for years and years.

              r

              OFF TOPIC:-

              How do you hack mobile phones word on street said "Inglish networks most secure in world" when i looked into it!

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              • bonus2010
                V.I.P. Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 1962

                #8
                Originally posted by Meat-Head
                OFF TOPIC:-

                How do you hack mobile phones word on street said "Inglish networks most secure in world" when i looked into it!
                Hey.. Meaty, if we're gonna go off topic, let's do it big time. ha!ha!

                Not got a clue how to hack phones. Do know one thing... the practice has went on for a long time... MI6 do it for starters.... and also had an auntie who was a phone operator (won't mention company.... no advertising here )... use to listen into phone conversations when bored during lunch break.. (Hey, was also good for connecting my home phone abroad for free... way before the days of skype)

                Just to add... my auntie split up with my uncle. What my uncle didn't know was... that everytime he phoned his new girlfriend (younger model).... every employee was listening into the conversation at the telephone exchange.. including my auntie's phone line at home. A true story... you don't know when your phone's being hacked (It's worth remembering... it does happen)

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                • TheCoder
                  DK Veteran
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 693

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Meat-Head
                  OFF TOPIC:-

                  How do you hack mobile phones word on street said "Inglish networks most secure in world" when i looked into it!
                  Not too difficult - one of the simplest ways is to use equipment that acts as a cell repeater. As long as your signal is 'stronger' than the real cell to the target phone then it will log into your 'fake' cell. Its a sort of 'man in the middle' attack.

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                  • Meat-Head
                    V.I.P. Member
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 32000

                    #10
                    Originally posted by bonus2010
                    Hey.. Meaty, if we're gonna go off topic, let's do it big time. ha!ha!


                    Just to add... my auntie split up with my uncle. employee was listening into the conversation at the telephone exchange.. including my auntie's phone line at home.

                    *CONFUSED*

                    So you auntite is listening to her 'ex' husbands phone calls whilst she is at home?

                    So what about when your auntie is out?

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                    • thecelticfan
                      Member
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 98

                      #11
                      Back on topic.

                      We stopped really making trains when we stopped using steam. We have been playing at it.

                      The French (Alstom) and the Germans (Seimens) make most of the passenger trains in the UK now.

                      Just a note they didn't hack the phones they 'hacked' the unprotected voicemails.

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                      • bonus2010
                        V.I.P. Member
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 1962

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Meat-Head
                        *CONFUSED*

                        So you auntite is listening to her 'ex' husbands phone calls whilst she is at home?

                        So what about when your auntie is out?
                        OK... maybe not explained too well.. All be it.. a good few years ago now.. Her collegues at the exchange would know when the girlfriend's phone was ringing. So they would connect that call to my auntie's home phone through the exchange. The connection is silent. Just like in the movies

                        If it were today.... expect it could be as easily done to connect a mobile phone...if she were out..

                        So really... the non-technical way of hacking .. is just to have a contact at the exchange..
                        Last edited by bonus2010; 8 July, 2011, 00:33.

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                        • Meat-Head
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                          • Oct 2009
                          • 32000

                          #13
                          OFF TOPIC-

                          so what year are we refering to 1980?

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                          • bonus2010
                            V.I.P. Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 1962

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Meat-Head
                            OFF TOPIC-

                            so what year are we refering to 1980?
                            Yeah your correct... 79/80 as I remember.. Don't know even if mobile phones existed then...

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                            • Meat-Head
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                              • Oct 2009
                              • 32000

                              #15
                              Originally posted by bonus2010
                              . Don't know even if mobile phones existed then...
                              rumor going around tht states mobile phones were invented in 1985 by Vodacon - Vodatwats something like that quid/min incoming and out going calls, something horrundous like 25 quid a week rental.

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