Telly historian David Starkey accused of racist outburst on BBC Newsnight

[nara]

Here in America they are so afraid to seen as a racist we elected a Black man president......

Nonsense. You elected a man as President

Now with all those sand *iggers muslims comming over we are now ready for financial collapse.

Well, we all know where you're coming from, don't we.

[Lyrrad]

I'm afraid the man is right. Here in America they are so afraid to seen as a racist we elected a Black man president. You see they always say blacks are disadvantage so they take a getto black and bus him to schools where white make up 99% of the students. Now they think the blacks would become white but the opposite happens and the whites become black. How else did they come up with the word wigger. It's just another failed liberal policy that is destroying the world. It's the reason why the western world is in financial trouble. We used to be able to cover the costs of welfare 5 children single family homes in the getto but now since the whites are being like a getto blacks we can't afford to pay all those social services for them. Now with all those sand *iggers muslims comming over we are now ready for financial collapse. Please stop accusations of Racism when someone speaks the truth cause it's the only way you will find a solution.

I think the expression is 'your slip is showing sir'.

[alibally]

I just think he is a dick.

[Motika]

Here is what the man said 'What has happened is that the substantial section of the chavs that you wrote about have become black. The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion.'

I suppose one could say within reason that whites are cold blooded, blood thirsty' mindless killers and oppressors if we are to count the number of people killed by whites and that includes world wars 1 & 2 (remember Hiroshima and Normandy?) , Gulf wars 1 & 2, colonisation of Africa and America, slavery, the list goes on. In fact the white people have killed enough people to match the top ten deadliest diseases on earth but of course we alll know that in each of the examples listed above there were circumstances which led that. You dont hear other races say anything about these killings and steroetype all white people as killers instead they just focus on the positive things the whites have given to humanity. Now when it comes to the black people its all about the negative things. Nobody stops to think about their circumstances as well as the positive things they have brought to humanity.

This sort of thing has got to stop. We have got to judge people as people.

[masur123]

Here is what the man said 'What has happened is that the substantial section of the chavs that you wrote about have become black. The whites have become black. A particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion.'

I suppose one could say within reason that whites are cold blooded, blood thirsty' mindless killers and oppressors if we are to count the number of people killed by whites and that includes world wars 1 & 2 (remember Hiroshima and Normandy?) , Gulf wars 1 & 2, colonisation of Africa and America, slavery, the list goes on. In fact the white people have killed enough people to match the top ten deadliest diseases on earth but of course we alll know that in each of the examples listed above there were circumstances which led that. You dont hear other races say anything about these killings and steroetype all white people as killers instead they just focus on the positive things the whites have given to humanity. Now when it comes to the black people its all about the negative things. Nobody stops to think about their circumstances as well as the positive things they have brought to humanity.

This sort of thing has got to stop. We have got to judge people as people.

We shouldnt forget, that when it comes to slavery it was black people selling black people. A fact that is often over looked. Yes the white man colonised much of the world, but in doing so we also gave the world civilisation and education etc.
Both Hiroshima and Normandy was not a cold blooded act as you state, but a necessity to end the war of all wars.
In Africa to this day there is still Genocide carried out to this day, and you could argue that this still goes on in Europe as recently as the break up of Yugoslavia.
The initial point of this conversation was a statement by a man, who I believe was talking about the Youth culture of the UK, rather than a world wide epidemic, and as such I also think he is correct in stating that much of the white youth have turned into something which was traditionally a black characterstic, i.e yardies/Bronx style criminals. Much of this has come from the MTV video music generation, but again parents have to take a lot of the responsibility as they should install the right moral and sense of right and wrong in their children, instead of letting MTV and the like do it.

[Snowy79]

I thnk we can safely say killing is inbuilt into every human being regardless of colour. The only thing that is needed to switch this mode on is personnel circumstances. Some races however do place different values on life. Again depending on personnel circumstances.

It's the same with respect to work ethics and family values. These also depend a lot on race and age. From experience the Asians put the hours in when it comes to work and they also have strong family values. The Chinese place a lot of emphasis on education. Some races are pretty laid back when it comes to doing a hard days graft and some will agree a price for a job and once it's done argue about the price (Not talking about the Scottish).

Labelling everyone with the same brush is like saying every breed of dog is the same. We've all got our good points and we've all got our bad points and colour only plays one part in it.

[Motika]

The point Im trying to make is if say for example it was only the white youths involved in the riots it would be easy to say that its due to all these immigrants taking all the jobs hence the white kids nowhere else to and if it was only the black youths then it would be easy to say oh well what can they do they're used to being in the Bronx. The fact that this issue touches all races should help people in trying to identify the problem. Blaming another race won't help.
Point of correction it was the Arabs not Africans who sold slaves to Europeans

[masur123]

The point Im trying to make is if say for example it was only the white youths involved in the riots it would be easy to say that its due to all these immigrants taking all the jobs hence the white kids nowhere else to and if it was only the black youths then it would be easy to say oh well what can they do they're used to being in the Bronx. The fact that this issue touches all races should help people in trying to identify the problem. Blaming another race won't help.
Point of correction it was the Arabs not Africans who sold slaves to Europeans

I dont think that the quote, or even myself, was blaming "black people" as a whole, but the ideal of the style of "black" gangster that is splashed all over our tv screens and magazines, seems to have captured the imagination of the majority of the "white" youth underclass. I would like to think that most of us here are not as naive to think that a particular race is superior to others, however I also would like to think that if we see a particular genre of music that is fronted by a particular race of people that promotes a certain lifestyle, and that this lifestyle is inappropriate to what we perceive as the moral way we want soceity to live, then we have the balls to say so.

Thanks for the point of correction, but I didnt say it was just black people sellling slaves, there were arabs/muslims selling slaves, but I think you will find the majority was from tribal leaders selling captured rival tribes that the Europeans/Americans purchased, and very few were actually captured by the "white" man.

[badapple]

I'm afraid the man is right. Here in America they are so afraid to seen as a racist we elected a Black man president. You see they always say blacks are disadvantage so they take a getto black and bus him to schools where white make up 99% of the students. Now they think the blacks would become white but the opposite happens and the whites become black. How else did they come up with the word wigger. It's just another failed liberal policy that is destroying the world. It's the reason why the western world is in financial trouble. We used to be able to cover the costs of welfare 5 children single family homes in the getto but now since the whites are being like a getto blacks we can't afford to pay all those social services for them. Now with all those sand *iggers muslims comming over we are now ready for financial collapse. Please stop accusations of Racism when someone speaks the truth cause it's the only way you will find a solution.

@woffpack, there is only one soloution.
Return the "blacks & sand *iggers" back into slavery & make the "whites" the masters!
Just like the good old days, we didnt have these problems then did we, everyone was so happy.

[Wolfpack]

Iv seen ALL your posts, each and evryone shows your just a bitter racist, you HATE any colour apart from your own, so why dont you just sit there and be a good boy

Your wrong. why is it that anyone that questions something or someone other than white is called a racist? Is that all you could come up with? Just cause i don't agree with people like you i am automatically a racist? People like you are the reason we don't profile and little old ladies other than Muslim get searched at the airport. Tell me who were the majority of people rioting in the streets? I can tell you of all the riots we had in the USA i can tell you who all were. So before you shoot off you mouth THINK! Remember your not smarter then eveyone.

[Wolfpack]

@woffpack, there is only one soloution.
Return the "blacks & sand *iggers" back into slavery & make the "whites" the masters!
Just like the good old days, we didnt have these problems then did we, everyone was so happy.

No i'm not saying that at all but til you stop looking at the world thru rose colored glasses you will never find the solution. I would never deny anyone anything cause of the color of their skin. i would only if they show no respect and don't work for it. Their is no free ride in this world. People are so full of the need for diversity they will go out of their way to find it. I'll tell you a true story. Their was this white mother of two who lived on a mid-western state where their is virtually no blacks. She was so full of diversity and thought here two daughters needed some she decided to move to East New York, Brooklyn. East New York is 99% Black. After 6 months here daughters were afraid to go to school since the kids in here new school didn't accept them in the name of diversity they only tried to rape them and harassed and rob them til they finally went back to where they lived before. I don't have the answers but pretending blacks and whites are the same is very ignorant.

[Lyrrad]

Your wrong. why is it that anyone that questions something or someone other than white is called a racist? Is that all you could come up with? Just cause i don't agree with people like you i am automatically a racist? People like you are the reason we don't profile and little old ladies other than Muslim get searched at the airport. Tell me who were the majority of people rioting in the streets? I can tell you of all the riots we had in the USA i can tell you who all were. So before you shoot off you mouth THINK! Remember your not smarter then eveyone.

That's hardly the point. Sand *******rs is both offensive and racist. I have an issue with the spread of islam in this country but I wouldn't dream of going into an open forum and using the foul language you chose.

It displays the main element that was so clearly apparent amongst the rioters in the recent troubles in UK, namely the non caring of others. If you can't see how offensive it is then I pity you.

[gmb45]

hmmmmm i can see where this thread is heading, i hope im wrong, but dont think so

[bobwill]

more david Starkey talking about being gay
BBC News - Question Time - Gay atheist Starkey warns of tyranny against Christians

I still think he is a prat

[masur123]

Oh there is not doubt the bloke is bit of a knob, and his views can be on the extreme side, but at least he is not afraid to air them, despite the reaction it causes. Something I think modern society , even though it is supposed to be "free speech", is sadly lacking these days