UK riots: magistrates told 'ignore the rule book' and lock up looters

[johnboy1974]

Here we go, ~~~~~ing human rights activists poping up now

"human rights activists in Britain have expressed concern that the punishments may be reactionary and serve only to clog up the court system with appeals for years to come"

Im sure they wouldnt be saying that if it was there house that got burnt to the ground


Brits get 4 years prison for Facebook riot posts - CBS News

Im no fan of these animals but to lock two blokes up for 4 years for inciting the riots via twitter or facebook is way too much. To put it into perspective they got more time than a guy in glasgow got for having and sharing 12,000 pedo images in his laptop. The photos were at the very very top end of the seriousness scale. Its obvious they have been made an example of at taxpayers expense once the human rights lawyers have a look at it.

[bobwill]

it looks like Labour spin doctors fooled a lot of people on dk when labour came to power in 1997 the country was running a budget balance within a few years we where running in the red; When labour lost the last election we had a deficit of over ?900 billion before you say it was to bail out the banks here are the figures
Nationalizing the Northern Rock bank . . . ?20.3billion
Nationalizing Bradford and Bingley . . . ?24.6billion
Bailing out banks other than the Northern Rock & Bradford and Bingley . . . ?132.4billion= total bailout ?177.3 billion
Debt when labour elected ?352 billion
So you labour lovers what happen to the other ?371 billion which that crook Brown wasted
Sorry off topic but had to reply

[ipssoff]

So you labour lovers what happen to the other ?723 billion which that crook Brown wasted
Sorry off topic but had to reply[/QUOTE]
The rest went to making peoples lives better creating better education and soforth for the conservatives to gain power (by default) and start undoing any good the labour goverment actualy did.

[thered]

it looks like Labour spin doctors fooled a lot of people on dk when labour came to power in 1997 the country was running a budget balance within a few years we where running in the red; When labour lost the last election we had a deficit of over ?900 billion before you say it was to bail out the banks here are the figures
Nationalizing the Northern Rock bank . . . ?20.3billion
Nationalizing Bradford and Bingley . . . ?24.6billion
Bailing out banks other than the Northern Rock & Bradford and Bingley . . . ?132.4billion= total bailout ?177.3 billion
Debt when labour elected ?352 billion
So you labour lovers what happen to the other ?371 billion which that crook Brown wasted
Sorry off topic but had to reply

dont cut anything borrow more is labours message spend the way out of everything for easy votes


yes that makes so much sense

for example (fee's are just approx for illustration)

pay a bin man ?500 a week of taxpayers cash

of that his take home is ?400

so there is ?100 back in the tax coffers

he spends ?50 on fuel to get work ect so theres say ?30 back in the tax coffers

his foodshopping is ?100 i will roughly estimate vat to be ?20 although it will be less

he spends ?60 on fags so there is ?40 back in the coffers

he then pays for a night out and spends ?80 of which ?40 is tax back in the coffers the rest goes in bank

so the treasury/ taxpayer pays this man ?500

the treasury gets back through his tax ?230


wow now thats going to help the recovery isnt it ???

the pm is now ?270 down from 1 employee now multiply that by every other bin man,road sweeper, teacher doctor nurse soldier and policeman and tell me how saving all their jobs is going to help the country

jobseekers is only ?65


and anyone who thinks different needs to go back to primary school for some basic lessons in addition and take away sums




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[tshirtman]

jobseekers is only ?65


and anyone who thinks different needs to go back to primary school for some basic lessons in addition and take away sums




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plus
housing benefit of upto ?400 a week
council tax benefit from ?626.12 - ?1,878.36 a year
free prescriptions/school meals/dental/optician
plus if your bin man has a wife and family he would get a lot more than ?65

[racin-snake]

nowt will change with any government until fractional reserve banking is taken down

and government is in charge of its own money

cant work with banking the way it is have a good look at money and how its taxed by the banks before lending it to the government

money is in fact a clever illusion most cannot comprehend its real worth and what its actual costs are to the people of the country

there are a few vids on youtube mostly explaining the us monetary system but all work the same

as for the riots well that's just cause and effect but the looters didn't help in fact made it easier to make more laws against real and justified opposition and protest !

and they will take the incentive and make some new rules and regulations to criminalise protests

[Snowy79]

Yes but at least Labour got us into the Iraq war and signed our rights away to Europe following the referendum that they gave us (Made that bit up, they never really gave us a referendum despite promising it). And look at the cracking job they did inviting everyone over here to take the low paid jobs so we can pay our own people to sit on their arses.

[Snowy79]

Back on thread. The punishments they are dishing out should have been the starting point years ago. Turn prisons into real prisons, ditch TVs, Gyms and any other luxury. The do gooders argue they need it to allow them to be prepared for for their release back into the community. Well I'm sorry these things were in the community before they were imprisoned and it never helped them then so maybe we should try punishments instead.

[Kalipo]

Intreasting view of yours.

Rumor going around that states that the Inglish royal family are infact GERMAN. - Another uncorfirmed rumor suggests it was these bastards that upload the Xmas tree and all the crap with it to Ingland.

Anyway, intreasting the fact your avatiar has some German bloke with a swasticker on it. Something that sometimes gets scratched under carpets and behind door panels!

OFF TOPIC:-

Adlof Hitler was a brilliant guy, with his gas chamber, just a shame he sent the wrong people to 'use it'

Don't pass judgement on my avatar and dont confuse it with any of my views..

For here is what my avatar is



And here is the trailer [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-KQh87_V2Q]Dead Snow - YouTube[/ame]

I'm a lover of all things zombie.. so please dont mix that up..

[Liteace]

Back on thread. The punishments they are dishing out should have been the starting point years ago. Turn prisons into real prisons, ditch TVs, Gyms and any other luxury. The do gooders argue they need it to allow them to be prepared for for their release back into the community. Well I'm sorry these things were in the community before they were imprisoned and it never helped them then so maybe we should try punishments instead.

I totally agree, you hear of stories where someone has got 2-3 months, serve half that, as soon as they are released they go out and commit another small crime so they get taken straight back to jail and when asked why they say

"its to hard on the outside, you need to work to earn money for food and accommodation or live on the street, inside you get feed, clothed, hot water and a bed to sleep in all for free"

as I said before make the jails a punishment, like these:

Prisons and Prisoners - ForeignPrisoners.com - Foreign Prisoners Support Service

and not a hotel, It should be, you do a crime, you serve your time, end of story, but instead you get all these do gooder human rights idiots coming out with all the bullsh*t, "prepare them for release back into the community", if they can't behave like they should in "the community" they should stay bagged up in a shit hole and forgoten about, we dont want them on the street. It should be 3 strikes and your in for a long time.

[Mjolinor]

There is very little difference now between Tory and Labour. Tony Bleauch moved the Labour so far right as to make no sense.

Rioting and looting like this is a failure of government end of story. If they introduced a law that said that each person could shoot one MP or solicitor of their choice per year with anonymity then we would soon have a country that worked.

It is totally ridiculous to prosecute people for doing what our genes tell us to do. Fight and flight, raid and pillage are a lot deeper than the "though shalt not" imposed on us by our laws and it is the job of the government to make our lives such that we do not feel a need to employ our baser instincts.

[nara]

Rioting and looting like this is a failure of government end of story.

Typical cop-out! Blame everything on Government. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

If they introduced a law that said that each person could shoot one MP or solicitor of their choice per year with anonymity then we would soon have a country that worked.

You think?

It is totally ridiculous to prosecute people for doing what our genes tell us to do. Fight and flight, raid and pillage are a lot deeper than the "though shalt not" imposed on us by our laws and it is the job of the government to make our lives such that we do not feel a need to employ our baser instincts.

Here we go again! You are a human being ffs! You have a mind of your own. You (should) know the difference between right and wrong.

If you do wrong it's your own fault. Don't try and shift the blame onto someone else!

[Mjolinor]

Typical cop-out! Blame everything on Government. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?



You think?



Here we go again! You are a human being ffs! You have a mind of your own. You (should) know the difference between right and wrong.

If you do wrong it's your own fault. Don't try and shift the blame onto someone else!

Go educate yourself.

[Snowy79]

Humans have full control over their actions with the exception of the mentally insane. Why do humans not go walking into lions dens, swimming with sharks with bits of meat tied to themselves. Go poking wasps nests or jump out of planes without a parachute etc? Simple reason, they know if they don't die it's going to kin hurt. We've learnt that the outcome outways the pleasure.

Now ask why criminals keep repeating their crimes. They get a slapped wrist or locked up with 3 meals a day, sky tv, free medical treatment etc. Things a lot of them don't get on the outside. How many of them would be repeat offenders if they were stripped naked, given a good kicking them thrown out onto the street?

[garry1312]

I totally agree, you hear of stories where someone has got 2-3 months, serve half that, as soon as they are released they go out and commit another small crime so they get taken straight back to jail and when asked why they say

"its to hard on the outside, you need to work to earn money for food and accommodation or live on the street, inside you get feed, clothed, hot water and a bed to sleep in all for free"

as I said before make the jails a punishment, like these:

Prisons and Prisoners - ForeignPrisoners.com - Foreign Prisoners Support Service

and not a hotel, It should be, you do a crime, you serve your time, end of story, but instead you get all these do gooder human rights idiots coming out with all the bullsh*t, "prepare them for release back into the community", if they can't behave like they should in "the community" they should stay bagged up in a shit hole and forgoten about, we dont want them on the street. It should be 3 strikes and your in for a long time.

Notice your signature says 'before asking for........ Become a [Forum Supporter] first' or something along those lines but notice you are not a forum supporter yourself. Has your sub ran out or something?

Dont mean to be rude or put you on the spot just wondering why or is it a new dk thing to add that to certain posts?