The jobless will have to work 30 hours a week for their benefits under a tough, US-st

[Meat-Head]

,some of us Dossers want to work but don't get a look in.:

Maybee they have seen your CV

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[spaglemon]

this echo's back to the 80s, when thatcher introduced the the ?25 a week, Y.O.P, Y.T.S, and the M.S.C, schemes, I didn't know one person who was kept on full time when the scheme ended, it's just cheap labour for the private sector,
is this what the tory's mean when they say the private sector will mop up the jobs lost in the public sector, once again we adopt failed U.S policy, who's going to pay for the traveling costs for these people to get to there unpaid jobs, and it will cause more unemployment, why would a company pay for staff when they can get them for free.
as with care in the community, (another failed U.S policy) this will end up costing us more in the long run, it is just something to keep the right wing of the tory party happy, after they lost the vote for a referendum on Britain's future in
the EU.

i started in engineering on a yts scheme and was taken on at the end of it to complete a 4 year apprenticeship and have gone on to have a very successful career in mechanical engineering , i seem to remember getting ?27.50 a week of which my mum took ?10 board


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[Wolfpack]

Governments are the best. First they create the problems then they think they can solve the problem. The only people who suffer are the common taxpayer. Once people realize a global effort to create a green economy ( Except for the Greeks who just stole the money ) has caused all the ills of the world is when things will turn for the better. It sounds funny that a private company would hire a unemployed person for the reason of saving their government benefits but won't hire them so they can become employed.

[MrFug]

When I was a kid I did a NVQ in computing. They put me in a work placement at a telecoms firm, working 8-5:30 for ?35 per week. That's what the government paid me for undertaking the course. Now, I believe the telecoms firm paid for my labour, it just wasn't paid to me. I can't see private companies getting free labour with this new scheme. Perhaps they will pay minimum wage to the relevant authorities. Lets face it, the jobs they'll be putting these people into are gonna be minimum wage positions anyway.

[tshirtman]

When I was a kid I did a NVQ in computing. They put me in a work placement at a telecoms firm, working 8-5:30 for ?35 per week. That's what the government paid me for undertaking the course. Now, I believe the telecoms firm paid for my labour, it just wasn't paid to me. I can't see private companies getting free labour with this new scheme. Perhaps they will pay minimum wage to the relevant authorities. Lets face it, the jobs they'll be putting these people into are gonna be minimum wage positions anyway.

you cant compare a NVQ to an unpaid job, there is no training or a chance of a full time job at the end of there 6 month workfare scheme, and this will definitely cost the tax payer more money,
the government has just signed a contract with deloitte to find these workfare places for the unemployed, who do you think will pay deloitte,
just like thatcher hid 1 million unemployed by putting them on DLA, this government are doing just the same, hiding them, because they wont be cutting the unemployment budget/figures, in fact they will increase.
I suggest you do some reading on the TUC website, that's where you will find the truth.

[gc1966]

we may as well accept it now

the uk is going to hell on a handcart,two to three generations will fall by the wayside with no prospects and no real direction.

[MrFug]

I was only offering my experiences with unpaid work. I'm not an authority on politics & economics so I'm in no position to argue.

The unemployment figures will be out on Wednesday, and their expected to be in the region of 3million unemployed.

[skegsagypsy]

How are they going to find all these jobs for the unemployed when there is no work out there anyway, total bollox if you ask me and another move by the Government to drag the country back to the 18th century.

[super jumbe]

There are jobs if you want to work.

We can not get this country back on unless we do more for the country.

[skegsagypsy]

Where are these jobs ? We are in recession (so we keep getting told) companies going out of business hand over fist,
UK unemployment rose by 114,000 between June and August to 2.57 million - a 17-year high, according to official figures.
2.57 Million skivers ? I don't think so !

[MrFug]

The problem is the jobless culture prevalent in certain socially deprived areas. There are children out there who don't know a single person that works. There are entire streets of unemployed, and areas where the numbers of unemployed far outweigh the employed. Grown men in their 30s who have never had a job, and don't see anything wrong with it.

There is no shame in being unemployed - it happens. But being unemployed for 10-20 years?

[tshirtman]

The problem is the jobless culture prevalent in certain socially deprived areas. There are children out there who don't know a single person that works. There are entire streets of unemployed, and areas where the numbers of unemployed far outweigh the employed. Grown men in their 30s who have never had a job, and don't see anything wrong with it.

There is no shame in being unemployed - it happens. But being unemployed for 10-20 years?

I agree with you it is wrong that some people don't see anything wrong in being out of work for years,
but this scheme isn't the answer , there is no training or the chance of a permanent job at the end of the scheme, they will be back to square one.
Like you and others have said, you gained some qualifications at the end of your scheme which led on to other opportunities, all this will lead to, is being back on the dole in six months time.
You also have to consider that certain areas where decimated, by thatcher policies of closing big industries (coal, steel, shipbuilding), and these lost jobs have never been replaced.
The tory's have always believed that unemployment is a price worth paying to keep inflation down, but they don't accept the destruction this does to communities, as thatcher said there is no such thing as community any more, I wonder why.

[skegsagypsy]

There is a perception that everyone who is unemployed is on the take and made a choice to be out of work, this is totally and utterly wrong in the vast majority of cases, yes there are people who milk the system but that applies to every walk of life (Remember MPs expenses, The Royal Family etc) lets face it there is no work out there and no money because the government are chucking billions at wars they cannot win and are taxing the rest of us into the ground to fund them. MPs are much more guilty of robbing/working the system than any poor ~~~~er on ?67.50 a week dole money, let them start at the top and repair a system that allows the rich to get richer while the poor scrape the bottom to feed and clothe their family's.
I know of a 44yr old Downs Syndrome sufferer who has recently been refused incapacity benefit due to the new rules this government has introduced I also know another person who lost a leg,arm and an eye in a bomb attack and he too has been refused the new benefit and because his wife works 30 hours a week he has also been refused JSA, its a ~~~~in disgrace and the people at the top don't give two f?cks about those at the bottom, they paint everyone with the same stick regardless of circumstances, Cameron and co are sick b?stards.

[Lainie]

much as a lot of the stuff you say i true skeg but its NOT just ?67.50 a week they are getting. its up to ?1000 (in some cases) housing benefit a month, up to ?180 council tax benefit a month, ?53 a week child tax credit and in certain cases ?125 a week if they get high care and high mobility dla. incapacity benefit no longer exists and there are hundreds of thousands that have been on that for up to 20 yrs when they are more than capable of doing some kind of work

[skegsagypsy]

Lainie if that is the case they are in a minority, the vast majority of the 2.57 Million people on the dole are decent law abiding citizens who are having difficulty finding work regardless of what the Daily Rags portray at the behest of their political masters.