The jobless will have to work 30 hours a week for their benefits under a tough, US-st

[cgscott]

Still Lainie is right in what she says. You take into account ?65 quid dole money. Then say ?70 rent on top of that. ?30 council tax and if you have kids the extra dough. Then you walk away not short of what the working man gets.

Most people on here with a mortgage and kids will tell you that after all the bills are payed youd prob be better of on the dole. Although they are proud to work and pay for the things they have in life.

I know of people who havent worked for years and have more luxuries than me. Although at the end of it i own my house and my kid/kids might have a better future than the ones being brought up in the lazybones environment.

I do believe there are some who will always want to be on benefits and the ones that want to work are a lower percentage than the ones that dont.

[bobwill]

If you want to have more employment take away all the red tape,all the taxes for employing someone,make it easier to sack the workshy,If it stay as it is people like me who turn work away and could find one or two jobs will not bother
And if you really want to work but can not find a job go self employed Try window cleaning, painting, gardening etc

[skegsagypsy]

I find it interesting that people because the "Know" someone who works the system are prepared to buy into the spin that over 2 Million people who are registered unemployed are on the fiddle or lazy or workshy etc....It's a complete and utter fallacy. So what if they get their rent paid, they are out of work ! What else would you do with them, would you prefer there was another 2 Million people sleeping on the streets ? The simple truth is that government spin and media bending the knee to it has driven the misconception that the vast majority of citizens who are finding it difficult to find work are somehow cheating the system, and are better off because of it, I can tell you now, that is a complete and utter lie.

[Lainie]

skeg i can only say from my own experience - i deal with people every day claiming benefit and i have friends who are housing officers, decision makers for dla, welfare rights officers etc. believe me there are thousands of new benefit or repeated benefit claims every week. when they make a claim we can see how long they have been on benefit for and in most cases its at least 5 years - longer for single mothers. however the shit has hit the fan there as income support now no longer exists and they have to find work - but most jump on the sick and that is a fact. ive had a guy on the phone once who had not worked for 8 yrs, been in and out of prison (funny how he is fit to break the law but not work) and he has lived in bed and breakfasts and hotels all the time he hasnt worked - there are prob hundreds if not thousands of stories like that

if they dont work yes they get housing benefit but it should be capped at ?100 a week.


another reason for making people work for their benefit is so many do casual work they wont be able to do that anymore

[skegsagypsy]

So for all the people you deal with on benefits, your telling me the majority are in your opinion, on the fiddle ? I would say, that is a nonsense !

[cgscott]

Out of curiosity Skegs. Whats your occupation?

I find that people who monger from the goverment try to defend themselves to the hilt with there are no jobs etc. Why dont they try a bit of charity work which in turn when applying for jobs most companies will see that as a reference or in your CV and think this guy has a can do attitude. The amount of people i know who have been knocked back a job because they say they have been out of work more than 6 moths is unbelievable.

You will find most of these people working with agencies.

I have always worked and ive worked for over id say 30 companies since i left the army. Always found it easy to get a job although i do know in this recession things are a bit more difficult. Agencies are a start but you will always get the 1 or 2 who say. ~~~~ working with an agency you never know wheat time you start etc or where you are going. BUt at the end of the day a jobs a job. Be it 1 days work or 1 weeks work etc.

Much better than sitting on the dole IMHO.

[skegsagypsy]

I'm a retired bus driver and worked for the last 34 yrs non stop, no breaks and never signed on the dole in my life! And this government froze my Pension while giving themselves a ~~~in rise ! I hope that answers your query cg ! I'll not ask your occupation if any as it's of little concern to me !

[cgscott]

If any

Now i see why your so upset with the government. Just dont see why you would want to defend the junkies and other people that dont have any intention of working thats all.

For the record im a

HGV driver CLass 1 with HIAB ticket
Forklift Driver and can work All types of plant machinery.

But im currently working with a joiner installing kitchens and bathrooms as this was all that was available 6 months ago.

[johnboy1974]

I remember my exgirlfriends sister- she was 28 years old and never worked a day in her life. Happy to milk the disabilty and claimed she was too depressed and tired to work.
We need better doctors to weed these cheats out.

[skegsagypsy]

cg with all due respect, you don't see ~~~~ all I never once defended Junkies or otherwise, my arguments are valid as I see them and I don't begrudge a single day of my employment just because someone else couldn't or didn't do the same!

[cgscott]

You said 2 million unemployed. WHat percentage of that be junkies and people who dont want to work. Or single (teenage) mothers who thinks its a given right to be on the dole till the kid goes to school. Id go for say at least 60% maybe more.

Liverpool being the main source of single teenage mothers according to statistics

Im not slating the people who actively seek work. Im simply saying there are people out there that think going to the jobcentre once a fortnight is a bain in they're life and should just be allowed to use the no work in britain to get what they want.

[skegsagypsy]

Well you just have slated 1 and 1/2 Million people by claiming they are Junkies or Single parent mothers, which again is a total load of bollox! You also presumed I was a dole skiver, which again was baws ! Get rid of your obvious bias, and wake up to the real world, there are people on benefits who are suffering greatly and while this government gets tacit support by people like yourself, more and more people on the poverty line will in my opinion opt out by what ever means they have available to them......and yes I have experience of that too !

[tshirtman]

Out of curiosity Skegs. Whats your occupation?

I find that people who monger from the goverment try to defend themselves to the hilt with there are no jobs etc. Why dont they try a bit of charity work which in turn when applying for jobs most companies will see that as a reference or in your CV and think this guy has a can do attitude. The amount of people i know who have been knocked back a job because they say they have been out of work more than 6 moths is unbelievable.

You will find most of these people working with agencies.

I have always worked and ive worked for over id say 30 companies since i left the army. Always found it easy to get a job although i do know in this recession things are a bit more difficult. Agencies are a start but you will always get the 1 or 2 who say. ~~~~ working with an agency you never know wheat time you start etc or where you are going. BUt at the end of the day a jobs a job. Be it 1 days work or 1 weeks work etc.

Much better than sitting on the dole IMHO.

I've also worked all my life, I left school in 1982, when there was 4 million out of work, I did all the schemes available, because I didn't want to be on the dole, but I will slag off the tory's every day because they cause most of the problems,
mass unemployment every time they are in power, they introduced, Income Support, and DLA, then criticise those that claim it, they would rather hit the poorest in society and make out there all scroungers, rather than hit there own,
why are they now on about reducing income tax for those on the higher rate, still going ahead with trident, taking contracts off British companies (bombardier trains) and giving them to foreign companies, not hitting the banks with a profit tax,
the tory's could find several billions if they want, but it's easier to label all unemployed as no good spongers, and make out that's where all you tax goes, divide and conquer has always been the tory way.

[maca]

Liverpool being the main source of single teenage mothers according to statistics

And whats funny about that ??

[cgscott]

Most entrepreneurs came from nowhere or never had a pot to piss in. Its called motivation.