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[Lainie]

you are entitled to your opinion skeg. i can only tell you of my experiences etc. ive also dealt with lovely people on the phone who are in tears at having to claim benefit for the first time. you can tell the difference with a genuine person in the first few minutes of the call and yes there are thousands and thousands of people who have never worked. thats why they are cracking up at incapacity benefit and income support being done away with.

ie up until 3 yrs ago if a single parent had a child under 16 they didnt need to work - automatically got income support for those 16 yrs. it has changed in the last 3 yrs to a child under 7. when child is approaching its 7th birthday they get a letter informing them their income support will end and they will need to claim jsa. 80% do not claim jsa but go on this sick and that is a fact

[cgscott]

Liverpool being the main source of single teenage mothers according to statistics

And whats funny about that ??

Must be something in the water maca.

[skegsagypsy]

Lainie you can quote individual cases all night, for everyone you quote I could quote ten genuine cases, and you of all people would know that, but prefer to focus on the negative! I have 5 children, 3 of them have emigrated and I may never see them again, despite all my and my wifes efforts in putting them through university and doing the right thing, the reason they left, no hope in this country!

[cgscott]

Everyones got a choice though Skegs. We could all argue till we blue in the face. We after all are the people who vote.

[skegsagypsy]

Everyones got a choice though Skegs. We could all argue till we blue in the face. We after all are the people who vote.

Sorry cg and therein lies the problem, everyone doesn't have a choice, that has been removed by the mismanagement of finances by successive governments, particularly those in recent times. Between chucking billions and billions of our hard earned down a never ending hole in wars that can never be won and thieving billions of our hard earned in expenses claims, hammering small businesses in taxes while large corporates are free to evade taxes (Rangers springs to mind for obvious reasons) the country has been forced to it's knees....therefore your wrong, not everyone has a choice, those that do are in the minority and are the lucky ones!

[Lainie]

oh i admit the country is in a ~~~~ing mess. no idea how they will sort it. its outrageous that people who try to better themselves cant find decent jobs here. however at the end of the day people on benefits should not be better off than those that work and atm a lot of them are.

[MrFug]

I like bus drivers, and I like HGV Class 1 drivers. I'm just not sure which one I like more...

FIIIIIIiIiGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[skegsagypsy]

Again Lainie you display a naivety for someone working in the benefit system. Most people on benefits are not better off than those who work ! Some may be, and I agree that those in that minority should be sought out and dealt with, but to punish the whole benefit system due to a misuse by a minority is wrong!

[Jaffa]

Everyones got a choice though Skegs. We could all argue till we blue in the face. We after all are the people who vote.

The government is here cos it was voted in...it will say they are trying to clear up the mess of the last government...which it is btw.

As said by others before...NOT everyone that is unemployed is a sponger, they may simply have lost their job and find it hard to find another job. Some even say there ar jobs out there.....mininum wage probably but not many well paid jobs.


Lets put it like this...and this is only for the none spongers, I know plenty of the leeching fekkers but also no some people who worked all their lives and lost their job.

I dont know the true figures so I am guessing here.

Minimum wage ?800 clear /month

OR

JSA - ?250/month
rates - ?100/month
insurance on mortgage - ?500/month
plus other benefits I don't what they are or what they pay.

Why would someone who worked all their life, paid they taxes, national insurance and insurance for unemployment/mortgage etc, want to work for minimum wage, they would be losing money.

This (IMHO) is where the problem lies for decent people who want to do their bit.

As for the spongers...fek the blood leeching kaants, they are part of the problem and don't care one bit about recessions etc.

Does this new scheme offer anything....NO, it takes away jobs from the decent folk and forces the spongers to do something, as much as I like to see them get off their arses, I think it will be exploited by private buisness.

I don't have any answers, if I did I would probably be in government and cooking the expenses book like most of the rest of them.


And back in the room.........

[skegsagypsy]

The government is here cos it was voted in

Is it ? I guess you'll find your wrong jaffa it is after all a Coalition not voted by the people but bartered by men in suits! and includes a minority party at the heart of its power base !

[Jaffa]

Is it ? I guess you'll find your wrong jaffa it is after all a Coalition not voted by the people but bartered by men in suits! and includes a minority party at the heart of its power base !

Are you saying you didn't know that could happen ??? ....if so then you may want to read up before you next cast a vote....if you did know it could happen then your argument holds no merit....sorry but its true.

[skegsagypsy]

I never said no such thing....

But what I will say as regards to the voting system in Britain, it's no better than that in Iraq,Iran, Africa or wherever...it's as corrupt as the rest when a government can be made on shady deals by men in suits.......Now can we get back on topic ?

[Rodbouy]

It's a.hard one to sort out, as hard working people are always going to get hit.one way or. Another.
They sums seem there or there abouts, but that would be based on a single person trying to live. Factor 2 ppl on 800 a month they are now up 450 a month.

Like Jim I also don't know what we can do to sort it all out.

Some ppl want to live their life on the brew and will happily stay like that.

We had a guy who took his redundancy after 35 years of work. Now he went right back into work but just couldn't keep up and was given a rough time and left.

Now they hounded him over it (brew) but others who come and sign on every week for.years and do bout. The ones who did work or just out of work get hounded more as they are ducks out of water.

[cgscott]

Think you'll find with the voting system is that people cant be arsed going to vote and think ~~~~ it. If everyone voted then maybe things may be different. People for years have only seen demise so therefor cant be arsed. Doesnt matter who we vote etc attitude. Of course it does.

The more we drum this into people heads the better. Societys ~~~~ed the countrys ~~~~ed.

How many 16-21 year old you think voted this year?

[Jaffa]

I never said no such thing....

But what I will say as regards to the voting system in Britain, it's no better than that in Iraq,Iran, Africa or wherever...it's as corrupt as the rest when a government can be made on shady deals by men in suits.......Now can we get back on topic ?

Yes certainly we can...but remember, I did NOT go off topic by calling football teams tax dodgers.