VICTORY IN NEW FIGHT TO QUIT EU

[TheCoder]

And for those stupid enough to think europe is a good thing.....

I suspect many people, including myself, think it was a very bad idea to join in the first place but now that we've been tied to the European economy and way of doing things for so long we'd almost certainly face an extended period of hardship if we were to exit.

I think this whole subject needs some very hard thought as to consequences. If we were to exit then how would the UK, as a country, proceed ?

Who exactly would we trade with ?

Its easy to say, the rest of the world, but who exactly would be interested. Very few countries could afford British goods, we just aren't competative in any manufacturing sector. So what have we got to offer ?

Of course i'm sure there would be some continued trade with Europe, thats inevitable, but it would be nowhere near as much as now. What happens to our balance of payments ?. How do we stop the Pound from collapsing as a result ?

I'm not trying to be pro-Europe here, just trying to think things through in a more logical manner and perhaps get a more cool-headed discussion started.

[Wolfpack]

Stop with the bailouts. The world is not going to collapse if you don't bail out institutions and country's who overspent.

[smirnoff_rules]

I suspect many people, including myself, think it was a very bad idea to join in the first place but now that we've been tied to the European economy and way of doing things for so long we'd almost certainly face an extended period of hardship if we were to exit.

I think this whole subject needs some very hard thought as to consequences. If we were to exit then how would the UK, as a country, proceed ?

Who exactly would we trade with ?

Its easy to say, the rest of the world, but who exactly would be interested. Very few countries could afford British goods, we just aren't competative in any manufacturing sector. So what have we got to offer ?

Of course i'm sure there would be some continued trade with Europe, thats inevitable, but it would be nowhere near as much as now. What happens to our balance of payments ?. How do we stop the Pound from collapsing as a result ?

I'm not trying to be pro-Europe here, just trying to think things through in a more logical manner and perhaps get a more cool-headed discussion started.

the main problem with the eu now is the difference in money , when the euro came its was 3 euros to the pound and workers over there were paid that , now its one for one we could never take on the euro . the difference in earnings is so wide every one in the uk would go mad , 5 euro a pint over night . think this is the only reason were still in the eu is we're cheap on goods at the minute but on the other hand our imports are killing us , we can't keep paying out 18 million a week and nothing back it's madness ,

[bobwill]

Merkel has achieved what Hitler could not to be in control of all europe .To tell all states how much they can spend how much tax and where they tax.I think the french people when they work out what the little runt has signed them up to will be the first country to object.

[rds60h]

Get out NOW !!!
Lets go back to trading within the Commonwealth, it was a larger trading base than Eurozone was when we joined. As usual we have been screwed by politicians who just want to line their own pockets.

[TheCoder]

...we can't keep paying out 18 million a week and nothing back it's madness ,

Agreed, but what have we got to actually sell back ?

The answer, i'm afraid, is very little and the majority of the markets for what we do produce are in Europe. I fear we have nothing much to sell to the rest of the world, and certainly not at prices they can afford !

The EU is a bad job, I think just about everybody acknowledges that fact, but I cant see a viable alternative that wouldn't cause choas to the UK economy for the next generation

[Kalipo]

Im very disappointed in the BBC for the way they have gone about things over the last 48hours. They have made what DC has done to be the end of the UK.. when infact its quite the opposite.

Look back at when labour where in power, they did not once belittle the.

David cameron is a ****er, but what he did friday was the best thing any PM has done since winston churchill.. he said NO to europe..

For him to say no in my opinion is a very big thing for DC, it could spell the end of him as a PM.

This is the beginning of the end for UK in europe. Thanks god.


@ thecoder, ill get back to you on your post. When i have more time.

@ smirnoff no disrespect pal but you got your figures wrong. try 50 million a week. and thats pound not south african rand.

[bonus2010]

No No...... ~?50.6 million per day

[Kalipo]

No No...... ~?50.6 million per day

i believe this chap is correct.. my bad.. they wanted 70 mill in this yearts budget but settle for the freeze.. cheeky bast..

[tshirtman]

Get out NOW !!!
Lets go back to trading within the Commonwealth, it was a larger trading base than Eurozone was when we joined. As usual we have been screwed by politicians who just want to line their own pockets.

the biggest market within the commonwealth is India, do you really think we can compete with them, not a chance,
Canada do most of there trading with the USA,
and Australia trade with China and Japan
things have changed since the 1960/70s.

[bobwill]

Im very disappointed in the BBC for the way they have gone about things over the last 48hours. They have made what DC has done to be the end of the UK.. when infact its quite the opposite.

I am not a bit surprised at the bbc as they are part of the so called liberal elite (left wing) so are againest the tory party

[nara]

the biggest market within the commonwealth is India, do you really think we can compete with them, not a chance,
Canada do most of there trading with the USA,
and Australia trade with China and Japan
things have changed since the 1960/70s.

Precisely. Our old trading partners have moved on. We still trade with them, but at nowhere near the same levels.

If we leave the common market we're going to be in the economic sh*t.

[rds60h]

the biggest market within the commonwealth is India, do you really think we can compete with them, not a chance,
Canada do most of there trading with the USA,
and Australia trade with China and Japan
things have changed since the 1960/70s.

Yes things have changed, we are no longer a manufacturing nation except for specialist items and machinery used for manufacturing so India would be an ideal market. Our other strengths are innovation and I.T. these qualities and goods are in demand worldwide but our weakness appears to be marketing ourselves.

[Kalipo]

Precisely. Our old trading partners have moved on. We still trade with them, but at nowhere near the same levels.

If we leave the common market we're going to be in the economic sh*t.

Who said we'd leave the common market.. do some reading old fellow.

If we scrap the lisbon treaty we can still have a trade agreement/common market agreement.. There are great examples of this happening.. have a read up on EFTA. this agreement still stands and is still perminatly active.

Also, Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal. they wont be able to save their economy's. When these countries leave the EU or are kicked out. they will have to rejoin EFTA to stand any chance of trading their way out of a deep ressesion.

And when they leave.. the rest will leave.. bringing down the hole of the EU..

I dont see the point in locking yourself in a sinking ship when you can jump out and swim back to safety.

Also.. for the record.. the treaty signed last week will only give the EU until march next year.. if it still fails.. then im sorry but there is no more money left.. will china fund something that it will never be able to recover.. ?? will it heck like..

[nara]

Who said we'd leave the common market.

You did.

VICTORY IN NEW FIGHT TO QUIT EU

The EU and The Common Market are two sides of the same coin.