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  • aleister crowley
    Banned
    • Nov 2011
    • 519

    #1

    Just a little warning to anyone who has forgotten about this

    Some families to lose ?4,000 a year in 'unfair' tax credit changes, says Labour

    Up to 200,000 low-income families will lose out from little-noticed change, says shadow chief secretary to the Treasury





    Up to 200,000 families could lose ?4,000 a year because of a little-noticed change to the working tax credit coming into force in April, Rachel Reeves, the shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, will say in a speech on Saturday.

    She will condemn the change, which will affect low-income families whose parents work between 16 and 24 hours a week, as a "deeply unfair change" that will penalise people unable to persuade their employer to let them work longer.
    The change was originally announced in October 2010, but Labour believes that many people affected by the cut, which will save the Treasury ?500m a year, have not yet grasped its implications.

    Currently people on a low income can get working tax credits if they have at least one child and they are working at least 16 hours a week. But from April the rules for couples will change, and one partner will have to work 24 hours a week, or both partners will have to work a total of 24 hours between them, for them to continue to qualify.
    There are 212,000 families where parents work between 16 and 24 hours a week. They earn less than around ?17,000 a year. According to Labour, if they do not increase their hours, they will lose ?3,870 a year in tax credits.
    "In this climate, very few people in part-time work will find be able to increase their hours by up to 50% at the moment," Reeves will tell members of Usdaw, the shopworkers union, in a speech at their conference. "And for a couple with children losing around ?4,000 a year, or ?75 a week, from this change could mean going out to work makes no sense."

    The Treasury has not disputed Labour's figures, although it does not accept that the change has in any way been hidden. It was announced by George Osborne, the chancellor, as part of the spending review.
    A Treasury spokesman said Labour's figures ignored some of the other government measures being introduced to help working families.
    "The chancellor has confirmed that working age benefits will go up by 5.2% in April and the child element of the child tax credit will increase by inflation from April which could mean up to ?135 extra per child. We also know that families are worried about the cost of living and so we've cut fuel duty and frozen council tax. Families will also benefit from the increases in the personal tax allowance," the spokesman said.
    The spokesman also stressed that the government had to save money. "Ultimately there is nothing fair about running huge budget deficits and burdening future generations with debts we cannot afford to pay," he said.
    "If the deficit is not tackled now, the impact on families will be worse in the long term with less money to deliver the public services that they rely on

    Some families to lose ?4,000 a year in 'unfair' tax credit changes, says Labour | Money | The Guardian
    Last edited by aleister crowley; 23 February, 2012, 23:16.
  • bobwill
    DK Veteran
    • May 2009
    • 525

    #2
    they should do away with tax credits all together all they do is subsidies bad employers and wages are kept low and this was another bad policy dreamed up by Brown to give more civil servents jobs to work it out This has not helped the poor the only way to help the poor is to give them proper jobs with decent wages not like labour who asked everyone in the world come here and take the jobs.

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    • tshirtman
      V.I.P. Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 1345

      #3
      Originally posted by bobwill
      they should do away with tax credits all together all they do is subsidies bad employers and wages are kept low and this was another bad policy dreamed up by Brown to give more civil servents jobs to work it out This has not helped the poor the only way to help the poor is to give them proper jobs with decent wages not like labour who asked everyone in the world come here and take the jobs.
      Your right about tax payers subsidising low paying employers, if they raised the minimum wage they could scrap all forms of working credit.
      but blaming Labour for it is a joke, you obviously don't know what your talking about,
      in 1971 Heaths government (tory) introduced family income supplement (FIS), in 1988, Thatcher (tory) replaced FIS, with Family Credit, and in 1999 Blair changed it to Tax Credits,
      so you might like to blame Labour for all the ill's of the worlds, but it's usually started by the Tory's, just as the greedy bankers rose from the 1980's yuppie boom.
      and if Thatcher hadn't abolished the Wages Council in 1986, rates of pay would be a lot higher than they are now, and there be no need for working credits.
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      • super jumbe
        V.I.P. Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 11610

        #4
        Tax credit has been a scam

        Suppose you get ?4000 tax credit for annum and for a working man the tax was doubled in the last 15years.

        In old days we used to get tax return well over ?5000 to ?7000 annum depend amount of children we had.

        Tax credit was only introduced because the money was now paid monthly instead of paid in a lump.

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        • dctyper
          V.I.P. Member
          • Jun 2008
          • 2539

          #5
          they should get rid of tax credits and raise the minimum wage

          to many scam artists out there

          they should gwet rid of the doll too. give people food vouchers instead.

          all the people who say they cant affor to work......i bet they have a nice big tv, sky a couple of mobile phones...........


          does my head in. i started with nothing, living in my car and worked hard to get what i have ggggrrrrr

          makes me angry

          rant over

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          • ChelseaBun
            DK Veteran
            • Aug 2011
            • 832

            #6
            the worrying thing is, to claim child tax first of all you have to send them your child's birth certificate, but when your on the phone confirming its all set up, you're then told that if you have another kid all you have to do is phone up, no proof required

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            • Meat-Head
              V.I.P. Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 32000

              #7
              Does this thread concern VIP Members who are single and live on their own?

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              • masur123
                DK Veteran
                • Aug 2009
                • 674

                #8
                I had a job going at work full time for around ?9 an hour. Offered to a part time girl who works weekends only, she turned it down as if she did over 24 hours she would "lose" her tax credits so wasnt worth it for her.

                What a joke, encourages people with kids not to work!!

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                • Lainie
                  V.I.P. Member
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 3062

                  #9
                  i dont think asking 2 people to work a total of 24 hours a week is that bad?? please remember they will also get child tax credit, child benefit and prob housing and council tax benefit.

                  rules to income support and lone parents change on 7th may and boy is that going to make a few people angry
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                  • Meat-Head
                    V.I.P. Member
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 32000

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Lainie
                    rules to income support and lone parents change on 7th may and boy is that going to make a few people angry
                    Oh good, good heavens. Can you explain more, or do the fat unemployed smelly people, have to wait to find out?

                    Thanks

                    Meat

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                    • Lainie
                      V.I.P. Member
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 3062

                      #11
                      now now meat not all unemployed are fat and smelly.

                      changes to single parents on income support. used to get it for having child under 16, then that changed to 12, then 10 then 7 and from may its a child under 5. so basically from may and if you are a lone parent you wont get income support if that child is not under 5.. they will be told to claim jsa but of course the vast majority will be depressed all of a sudden!!!
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                      • Meat-Head
                        V.I.P. Member
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 32000

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Lainie
                        now now meat not all unemployed are fat and smelly.

                        they will be told to claim jsa but of course the vast majority will be depressed all of a sudden!!!
                        You come to M/C - then repost that!

                        So what in money terms is difference between

                        IC- Income Support

                        and

                        SJS - Smelly Job Seekers?

                        Thanks

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                        • Lainie
                          V.I.P. Member
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 3062

                          #13
                          when lone parents are on income support they dont need to attend regular interviews at jobcentre or look for work. income support is being phased out and is part of jsa and esa. both have a contributions based and an income based element.

                          when people come off income support most go on the sick or if female have another immaculate conception!!!

                          however universal credit should be in by 2013 (so they say) i have my own opinions onn that one tho!!!!
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                          • thered
                            V.I.P. Member
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 4915

                            #14
                            Originally posted by tshirtman
                            Your right about tax payers subsidising low paying employers, if they raised the minimum wage they could scrap all forms of working credit.
                            but blaming Labour for it is a joke, you obviously don't know what your talking about,
                            in 1971 Heaths government (tory) introduced family income supplement (FIS), in 1988, Thatcher (tory) replaced FIS, with Family Credit, and in 1999 Blair changed it to Tax Credits,
                            so you might like to blame Labour for all the ill's of the worlds, but it's usually started by the Tory's, just as the greedy bankers rose from the 1980's yuppie boom.
                            and if Thatcher hadn't abolished the Wages Council in 1986, rates of pay would be a lot higher than they are now, and there be no need for working credits.
                            politics in a nutshell

                            man makes change to government policy
                            opposition disagree
                            opposition get in power and keep policy they didnt agree with
                            the new men in power make some unpopular decisions to policy
                            new opposition disagree
                            new opposition get in power and keep all the things they didnt agree with


                            and the cycle will go on until we are completely ~~~~ed i am not sure we can sustain the growing elderly,benefit,council services, immigrants and nhs bills

                            uk is a ticking time bomb hopefully im dead before it all implodes

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                            • tshirtman
                              V.I.P. Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 1345

                              #15
                              Originally posted by thered
                              politics in a nutshell

                              man makes change to government policy
                              opposition disagree
                              opposition get in power and keep policy they didnt agree with
                              the new men in power make some unpopular decisions to policy
                              new opposition disagree
                              new opposition get in power and keep all the things they didnt agree with


                              and the cycle will go on until we are completely ~~~~ed i am not sure we can sustain the growing elderly,benefit,council services, immigrants and nhs bills

                              uk is a ticking time bomb hopefully im dead before it all implodes
                              but there was changes, family credit was very easy to fiddle, 5 wage slips and you got it for a year regardless of any change in income, and most were overpaid,
                              it was managed and administered by the DSS, so not many checks and balances,
                              Tax credits are administered by the inland revenue, so much easier to see who is and isn't entitled to it, and overpayment's are discovered and have to be paid back,
                              far less people can exploit the system now.
                              my point was the Tory's introduced these payments, and labour tightened up the system, and if the minimum wage was higher there would be no need for credits.
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