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  • gmb45
    Admin Assistant
    • Nov 2008
    • 7538

    #1

    Paying tradesmen cash in hand morally wrong - minister

    thats ~~~~ing rich coming from an mp

    It is "morally wrong" to offer to pay tradesmen in cash in the hope of avoiding tax, Treasury Minister David Gauke has said.

    In newspaper interviews Mr Gauke said the practice came at "a big cost" to the Treasury and meant other people had to pay more in tax.

    The government has highlighted its desire to clamp down on tax avoidance.

    But Treasury sources stressed Mr Gauke was answering a specific question rather than proposing a policy change.

    Mr Gauke was asked specifically about the practice of offering to pay tradesmen cash in hand in the hope of avoiding paying VAT on a bill in interviews with journalists for the Daily Telegraph, Guardian and Daily Mail.

    The daily telegraph quotes Mr Gauke as saying: "Getting a discount with your plumber by paying cash in hand is something that is a big cost to the Revenue and means others have to pay more in tax.

    "I think it is morally wrong.

    It is illegal for the plumber but it is pretty implicit in those circumstances that there is a reason why there is a discount for cash. That is a large part of the hidden economy."

    Speaking the the BBC's Newsnight, Mr Gauke said there was nothing wrong with paying in cash, but doing so to actively avoid tax was wrong.

    'Impossible to police'

    Mr Gauke told the programme: "When a tradesman says 'here's a 10%, a 20% discount on your bill if you pay me cash in hand' that is facilitating the hidden economy, that's as a big a problem in terms of loss to the Exchequer as tax avoidance.

    "Revenue is not being paid as it should be paid..."
    He added that he had "never said to a tradesman, 'If I pay you cash, can I get a discount?'"

    But asked if he thought any colleagues had, he replied: "I don't know, but if people do do that they have to do so with the recognition that means taxes will be higher for the rest."

    The Labour MP Austin Mitchell, who sits on the Public Accounts Select Committee, described Mr Gauke's remarks as "petty" and said it would be "impossible to police" any efforts to cut down on the practice.

    Last month Prime Minister David Cameron condemned the use in the past by comedian Jimmy Carr of a Jersey-based scheme as "morally wrong" and in his Budget speech Chancellor George Osborne described tax avoidance as "morally repugnant".

    Mr Gauke was interviewed after he outlined proposals to tackle tax avoidance in a speech to the Policy Exchange think tank.

    He said the government would force "cowboy" financial firms to disclose the names of people using "aggressive" schemes.

    The plans comes alongside plans to legislate to curb tax avoidance through a general anti-avoidance rule.
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  • tshirtman
    V.I.P. Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 1345

    #2
    everyone at it, my doctors charge ?40 to sign a passport application form, I wonder if they declare it.
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    • wiseman
      DK Veteran
      • Feb 2010
      • 1220

      #3
      This country generates more revenue from tax than probably any other country, 35 million cars on the road every day paying fuel duty at about 80p then vat on top, road licence etc... Then vat at 20 percent on nearly everything you buy, fag and booze duty import duty etc... Inheritance tax at 40 percent of your assets, business rates, council tax,
      And those of us that have our own business will have had a lovely tax bill at the beginning of this month that needs to be paid on the 31 of July, and you think where's the incentive to to get up on a Monday morning to work only to be taxed to support free loading wasters on methadone, illegal immigrants, benefit cheats, what are these people contributing to the system?? What do they cost to keep?? At the end of the day the plumber Who asked to be paid cash is still contributing and is working earning his own cash to be spend back into the economy,he would have still paid vat on the materials etc for the job prob, good for him a cash job here or there is prob more than deserved.

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      • super jumbe
        V.I.P. Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 11610

        #4
        They are also paying out to the fat cats on dole and on disability in thounsands!!!!!!!!!!
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        • ray156
          DK Veteran
          • Dec 2009
          • 669

          #5
          ha,the council are painting all the houses in my area.walls,windows,gutters,etc etc.
          but the workers are taking bookings for private houses and doing them at weekends,cause they have keys to containers parked in the car park.

          i watched one do a house at back of me,took him 1 normal shift 9 till 4.
          did roughcast,brickwork,window frames,2 doors. ? 450,and never had to buy paint or brushes etc,prob more than the council pay him all week......
          Last edited by ray156; 24 July, 2012, 10:58.

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          • wiseman
            DK Veteran
            • Feb 2010
            • 1220

            #6
            Quote super jumbe: They are also paying out to the fat cats on dole and on disability in thounsands!!!!!!!!!!

            1 in 5 people in glasgow are on disability benefit, wtf is that all about
            Last edited by wiseman; 24 July, 2012, 11:10.

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            • PremierD
              TAMINATOR
              • Jun 2009
              • 13162

              #7
              Originally posted by wiseman
              1 in 5 people in glasgow are on disability benefit, wtf is that all about

              There is a lot of sick barstewards in Glassgow then

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              • jordigirl
                DK Veteran
                • Oct 2011
                • 716

                #8
                you know not everyone on disability benefits are cheats
                no am not on benefits my mum has m.s and took nearly 3 years of fighting to get benefits for her







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                • wiseman
                  DK Veteran
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 1220

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jordigirl
                  you know not everyone on disability benefits are cheats
                  no am not on benefits my mum has m.s and took nearly 3 years of fighting to get benefits for her
                  Nobody here is saying that everyone on benefits is a cheat, I know people that have lost there jobs through illness and worked most of there life's and when they need the system to help they are given nothing, but we are now in a society where people know how to manipulate the system and expect everything for nothing.
                  Last edited by wiseman; 24 July, 2012, 11:21.

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                  • ray156
                    DK Veteran
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 669

                    #10
                    i have been on incapacity since 1991 used to get a medical every 3 years.but that stopped 6 years ago.
                    i would have loved to get a job,if they would have passed me fit.but as long as dwp declared me unfit.nothing i could do.there is stuff i do against medical wishes.ie dont use my elbow crutches all the time.but i do that so muscles dont wear away.

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                    • Hoppy01
                      DK Veteran
                      • May 2011
                      • 374

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jordigirl
                      you know not everyone on disability benefits are cheats
                      no am not on benefits my mum has m.s and took nearly 3 years of fighting to get benefits for her
                      This is what pi%%es me off, my Uncle is one of the hardest working guys i have ever known.
                      He used to be a gardener and worked all hours and was well known for doing jobs for old folks very cheap.
                      He ended up with chronic arthritis and can barely hold a cup of tea, he was depressed at giving up work but he soon got really depressed when they stopped his benefit for no reason.
                      After a 2 year battle he is finally getting his benefit, this guy contributed more to society than any corrupt Tory MP and he's treated like a criminal.
                      A know he would gladly trade his benefit for better health..

                      There is no end to what these Tory bas*&^&% will stop at, they cannot stand the working person getting anything without jumping all over it.
                      They are the masters at tax evasion, including that brain dead retard they call chancellor, you know the coke sniffing MP who likes to show off.
                      Happy Birthday George - Guy Fawkes' blog

                      The Torys want good, obedient workers to do the job for the lowest wage possible and don't you dare think about doing a cash homer.
                      They also want to control your life outside of the work place by introducing random drug test, although its perfectly ok to get smashed on booze at the weekend as thats a good taxable drug.
                      If your unemployed then its your fault according to the Torys so its only natural that you work for nothing to help huge companies make more millions in profit.
                      The Tories should be locked in a vault that says "break glass in case of emergency" and Nick Clegg should be proud of being the guy that destroyed the Lib Dems for 5 min of fame..
                      "Windows - A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition."

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                      • tshirtman
                        V.I.P. Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 1345

                        #12
                        @ hoppy01 your spot on m8, the tory's would love to scrap the minimum wage, like thatcher scrapped the wages council in the 80's,
                        they have already started chipping at our employment rights, now it's 2 years before you can claim unfair dismissal, and there trying to make it so employers can sack staff without reason,
                        I'm surprised they haven't had a go at people like waiters and taxi drivers for not declaring tips,
                        it's the 80's all over again, but this time it's a bunch of useless posh boys who are in politics as a hobby, all in it together, what a load of bollox.
                        banker can rob millions and nothing happens, someone robs a packet of chewing gum during the riots and gets 18 months.
                        and what worries me is it's going to get worse, we have another 3 years of these smug *****s.
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                        • lagerland
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                          • Sep 2010
                          • 6031

                          #13
                          Originally posted by super jumbe
                          They are also paying out to the fat cats on dole and on disability in thounsands!!!!!!!!!!
                          Definition of 'Fat Cat'

                          A slang word used to describe executives who earn what many believe to be unreasonably high salaries and bonuses. These top executives also receive generous pensions and retirement packages, consisting of extra compensation not available to other company employees.


                          So by definition they wont be on the dole your thinking of these fat cats SJ..............


                          Last edited by lagerland; 24 July, 2012, 13:26. Reason: crap.
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                          • wiseman
                            DK Veteran
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 1220

                            #14
                            Originally posted by tshirtman
                            I'm surprised they haven't had a go at people like waiters and taxi drivers for not declaring tips
                            A local hotelier to me was fined 20k for not declaring tips to inland revenue, so now all tips must be put through the books and appear as a second earning on people's wage slip with income tax paid on them. Terrible

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                            • Hoppy01
                              DK Veteran
                              • May 2011
                              • 374

                              #15
                              Originally posted by wiseman
                              A local hotelier to me was fined 20k for not declaring tips to inland revenue, so now all tips must be put through the books and appear as a second earning on people's wage slip with income tax paid on them. Terrible
                              You couldn't make it up mate, hopefully they will get their marching orders on the next general election..
                              "Windows - A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition."

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