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  • gmb45
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    • Nov 2008
    • 7538

    #1

    Pay more tax to drive on motorway:

    Two-tier system could mean only rich motorists use fast routes with poorer drivers forced on to B-roads


    • Officials are examining plans for an overhaul of vehicle excise duty which raises ?6 billion a year
    • All drivers would pay the first charge allowing them to use local roads and A-roads
    • But then motorists wanting to use motorways and major A-roads would fork out for a second charge



    *ffs they want us drive smaller less polluting cars then moan about loosing out on road tax, so its not about money eh, 6p a mile to drive on a new motorway x100 miles =s ?6 x 1000s of cars the only thing it wont affect is the rich as per*



    Drivers would pay higher road tax for using motorways under a plan being considered by ministers.

    The radical idea is being considered as the Treasury faces a budget shortfall caused by families switching to cars that incur lower road tax.

    Two rates of road tax would apply ? a lower tier for users of small roads and a higher charge for those driving on motorways and other major routes. Spy cameras would catch any drivers using the trunk roads without having paid up.

    Two tolls: The two-tier road tax proposal is part of a new vehicle tax regime set to raise ?6billion a year

    The AA warned however that a two-tier duty system could see motorways become the preserve of wealthier motorists.

    ?We don?t want a first- and second-class system on the roads,? said spokesman Paul Watters. ?There would certainly be more traffic, and, if enough traffic diverted, it would stick out like a sore thumb.

    ?It will lead to slower journeys and more congestion. It will also be an extra nuisance to towns and villages and increase the risk of accidents as A roads become too busy.?

    The Prime Minister has already said that private firms could take over the running of roads in return for pay-as-you-go lanes or a share of road tax revenues.

    A senior Government source confirmed the two-tier idea was one of a number of proposals to reform the vehicle excise duty regime, which raises ?6billion a year.

    Great division: Poor drivers could be be priced off Britain's motorways under a proposal being considered in Whitehall

    Segregated drive: The AA warned that the proposed two-tier system could lead to roads divided by income with a 'class system'

    ?It is true that there is work going on vehicle excise duty,? the source said.

    ?It follows on from what we spoke about earlier in the year, about making the roads more like utility companies and getting external sources of money into them.

    There is a suggestion that as part of that, you could have a lower vehicle excise duty rate for people who weren?t using trunk roads and motorways.

    ?However, charging people who do use motorways a lot more is not politically attractive, and reducing rates for people who don?t would mean raising less money overall.

    Kickstart: Prime Minister David Cameron wants to allow private firms to compete for contracts to maintain British roads

    'So it?s difficult and the work is not concluded yet. This is not about making people pay more.?

    Labour claimed the Coalition was preparing to unleash a stealth tax on drivers, who are already being hit by high fuel prices.

    Another possibility being examined by ministers is to shake up the road fund banding system.

    Currently, the duty is paid in a sliding scale of 13 bands from zero to more than ?1,000 in the first year of registration.

    Drivers pay according to how much carbon dioxide their car pumps out.

    Another option is to replace the annual road duty charge on cars with a one-off, upfront charge on new vehicles.

    A proposal to link the amount motorists pay in road tax to how far they drive on motorways, or their use at peak times, has been ruled out.

    Stephen Glaister, director of the RAC Foundation, said reforming road tax could be acceptable if it led to better journeys for motorists.

    ?Ministers would go a long way to restoring trust among drivers if the proceeds were ring-fenced and ploughed back into road provision,? he added.

    The idea for overhauling road tax is part of a review by officials at the Department for Transport and the Treasury which was ordered by Downing Street in March.

    David Cameron said he wanted to kickstart the economy by allowing firms and investment funds to compete to build, operate and maintain motorways and trunk roads.

    Motorists would not pay tolls to use existing roads that would effectively be privatised, though firms could create extra pay-as-you-go lanes that drivers could use to beat congestion.

    A proportion of the Treasury?s annual ?6billion in vehicle excise duty would go to contractors, probably based on the number of vehicles using the route.
    Caught out: Motorists who do not pay the charge could be caught by automatic number plate recognition - similar to the London congestion charge system

    A report from the Institute for Economic Affairs, published today, calls for the Government to privatise the entire road network, raising more than ?150billion.

    Motoring taxes should be phased out altogether and replaced with road tolls, it says.

    Road users would pay less under a privatised road network than they do now and would have a better quality network, the report claims.

    It suggests tolls would be as little as 6p a mile on a new motorway.

    Dr Richard Wellings, head of transport at the IEA, said: ?For too long British drivers have had to pay over the odds for a road network that is simply not up to scratch.

    ?It is lamentable that this vital area of infrastructure has been neglected by government after government.

    ?Denationalising the network would ensure British motorists had better roads to drive on.

    It would also be much cheaper and mean an end to the enormous burden of motoring taxes like fuel duty.?

    A spokesman for the Department for Transport said: ?The Government has made clear it will not implement tolls on existing road capacity and has no plans to replace existing motoring taxes with pay-as-you-go road charging.?

    He said the roads review was looking at increasing capacity and boosting economic growth.
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  • super jumbe
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    • Dec 2008
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    Bottom line?. where the motorist is going to get the extra money from when we are already struggling paying basic road tax???
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    • gmb45
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      • Nov 2008
      • 7538

      #3
      Originally posted by super jumbe
      Bottom line?. where the motorist is going to get the extra money from when we are already struggling paying basic road tax???
      hmmmm since when has that ever bothered them
      as per they dont give a ~~~~ as long as they get it, as normal ~~~~ the little man im all right jack.
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      • rds60h
        DK Veteran
        • Nov 2008
        • 622

        #4
        The only way to combat the 2 tier system would be for ever motorist in the country to totally ignore any charges if they are to be monitored by camera.
        If there are toll gates then it will require everybody to boycott those roads, because if it is a business and nobody is using it then it will be making a loss and a business making a loss is no longer be a business.

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        • Hoppy01
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          • May 2011
          • 374

          #5
          So we pay over the top for road tax as it is, we pay too much for crap insurance cover, we get humped every time we fill up and of course there is the MOT and general running costs.
          So now these complete moronic retards that masquerade as ministers are saying we should pay more for roads that frankly we should have already!
          A would never get fed up booting utter f*** out of these clowns on a daily basis, what planet do these retards come from,, sorry a forgot, its planet poshboy, private education, never done a days work in their lives and completely out of touch with reality..

          Having good roads and transport infrastructure is a basic need for any developed economy, you wanna attract big business then you better get your roads sorted out.
          Whats happened here is some f***tard, sorry minister has said the following, "We charge those idiot voters silly money for petrol, so lets make them pay extra for roads that they should already have, then make it clear that by using the premium road they have saved more on the price of fuel by cutting their journey time".
          So he gets promoted, the government gets more money to give to their criminal banker friends and we take a red hot one right up the Cadburys corridor one more time.


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          • GastonJ
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            • Dec 2009
            • 5505

            #6
            It will lead to over congested minor roads, villages, towns and more accidents. I do seem to recall that somewhere in the not too distant past that there was talk of lowering the national speed limit down to 50mph on all A roads, could it be in conjunction with this that the government just wants to p**s the motorist off?

            However in doing so many companies owned by backers of the conservative party will no doubt win contracts to make money from the scheme - money for nothing as usual.

            Anyway, if they do manage to drive the motorist off the motorway there will be more accidents on minor roads, and they'll blame the motorist again - stupid idea :headbang:
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            • Canker_Canison
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              • May 2010
              • 3905

              #7
              I've posted this before, only in more detail....

              If they really want to overhaul the road tax system so it's fair, there's only one way.

              Include road tax in the petrol/diesel price.

              Don't moan at me yet!

              If the average person does 12,000 miles in a car that does a combined 35mpg. They will purchase 1,556 litres of fuel every year.

              If you add ?100 worth of tax into the average fuel use. It will add 6.4p to a litre of fuel.

              So if you have an economical car that does more than 35mpg on a combined cycle, you will pay less over the year (unless you do high milage). Where people like myself in gas guzzlers, or those that do cover high milage, will pay more.

              If you can think of a fairer system than that I'd like to hear it.
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              • cactikid
                V.I.P. Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 12017

                #8
                wont mention an electric car,what car tax do you pay for a 1-8 petrol,think my last one was e592 what are you tight gits paying.

                Motor Tax Rates Based on Engine Size - Department of the Environment, Community & Local Government

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                • Meat-Head
                  V.I.P. Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 32000

                  #9
                  WHOA!

                  As a enviromently frendly member, i cycle to work, my vechile does IF THAT 3000 miles a year.

                  It costs ?210 to tax it, it spends monday to friday on a private drive.

                  Yet have had in the otherday ( i looked) dumb **** recovery truck, ?200 a year to tax.

                  As for the goverment loosing money on smaller car tax, that's their fault for doing these nil and ?30 taxes.

                  Go buy a milk float there tax excempt for years (appantly).

                  If somebody can be bothered to set up a vote poll thing on 21.gov or whatever after ???? voltes it has to be looked at in parlement, so perhaps EVERYTIME gmb and superjumble start an ANNOYING thread like this, set up a gov. poll to counter balnce it rather than moaning about it.

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                  • GastonJ
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                    • Dec 2009
                    • 5505

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cactikid
                    wont mention an electric car,what car tax do you pay for a 1-8 petrol,think my last one was e592 what are you tight gits paying.

                    Motor Tax Rates Based on Engine Size - Department of the Environment, Community & Local Government
                    I looked at the site and prices. How do you put up with it? I'm surprised anyone bothers to tax their car, and you have toll roads as well
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                    • cactikid
                      V.I.P. Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 12017

                      #11
                      and when you have 2 cars a real kick in the nuts,be happy with your prices,and just heard the vhi insurance going up in price by 45%,better not get sick then and just buy a coffin for back up.

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                      • thered
                        V.I.P. Member
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 4915

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Canker_Canison
                        I've posted this before, only in more detail....

                        If they really want to overhaul the road tax system so it's fair, there's only one way.

                        Include road tax in the petrol/diesel price.

                        Don't moan at me yet!

                        If the average person does 12,000 miles in a car that does a combined 35mpg. They will purchase 1,556 litres of fuel every year.

                        If you add ?100 worth of tax into the average fuel use. It will add 6.4p to a litre of fuel.

                        So if you have an economical car that does more than 35mpg on a combined cycle, you will pay less over the year (unless you do high milage). Where people like myself in gas guzzlers, or those that do cover high milage, will pay more.

                        If you can think of a fairer system than that I'd like to hear it.
                        Whilst we all pay too much tax anyway i agree that if we are to change anything it should be put on the fuel its fairer all round the people who use the roads the most pay the most and if your in a very economic car doing the green thing then you will pay a lot less than me in my 2l mondeo

                        It would only need a few pennys on a litre and would save having to stump up in one go it would also save money chasing the road tax dodgers

                        the only reason i can see stopping this is that all the big haulage firms would get their fuel abroad and dodge it so i would keep hauliers rates the same and allow them to reclaim the excess at the pumps in there tax returns

                        get me to whitehall

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                        • Meat-Head
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                          • Oct 2009
                          • 32000

                          #13
                          now you said that lorry company send empty lorry with big tanks, fill it, bring back cto ingland syphon it

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                          • Canker_Canison
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                            • May 2010
                            • 3905

                            #14
                            Originally posted by thered
                            Whilst we all pay too much tax anyway i agree that if we are to change anything it should be put on the fuel its fairer all round the people who use the roads the most pay the most and if your in a very economic car doing the green thing then you will pay a lot less than me in my 2l mondeo

                            It would only need a few pennys on a litre and would save having to stump up in one go it would also save money chasing the road tax dodgers

                            the only reason i can see stopping this is that all the big haulage firms would get their fuel abroad and dodge it so i would keep hauliers rates the same and allow them to reclaim the excess at the pumps in there tax returns

                            get me to whitehall

                            I'd be screwed if my system came into force. I drive a 2.5 V6 auto, but only pay ?215 per year tax as reg before 2001.
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                            • thered
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                              • Aug 2008
                              • 4915

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Meat-Head
                              now you said that lorry company send empty lorry with big tanks, fill it, bring back cto ingland syphon it
                              thats why i said hauliers should pay road tax as they do now because thats what they will do and pay no road tax

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