Jobless 'To Be Forced To Work' For Benefits

[Snowy79]

I think under the last Institute of National Statistics of 615,000 new jobs created 23% went to Brits, 45% to members of the EU and 32% to no EU migrants. I couldn't find a list of those EU members who were given a grant to come and find a job or even if this grant is also open to Brits wanting to work elsewhere within the EU.

I do know that a few of my mates have been put on Government funded training to look for jobs as they've been long term unemployed. I think if they never accepted their training the benefits were cut.

One of my best mates has landed on his feet. He was sent on a computer course which would have given him a great qualification but found out he'd still get his benefits if he'd went on a basic course. He dropped out and did the basic course as it was easier. While on the basic course he found out about a Government funded course which without giving away too much ended with a job earning approx ?30,000 per year.

He applied for the course and after about six months of filling in forms and getting a medical which included tests for drink and drugs he got one of the places. He's now about two weeks into the course and has found out that of over 200 applicants the majority were found unsuitable due to recreational drugs and not having basic education standards. They had to limit the selection to a set catchment area also as in previous courses they had a lot of Polish applying. These guys were better educated and drug free. The only problem was the course gave them a much saught after qualification so once trained and experienced they've now jumped ship to work in America, Canada and Australia.

[GastonJ]

On the subject of the ONS that would be the group that twist together such statistics as Employment rate 71.6% and an unemployment rate of 7.7% - I'm still trying to work out where the other 21.7% are perhaps ghosts?. Or this gem

Average weekly earnings excluding bonus payments rose by 1.0% comparing May to July 2013 with the same period a year earlier. In cash terms, average weekly earnings excluding bonus payments were ?447 in July 2013, before taxes and other deductions from gross pay; this is up from ?443 a year earlier.

a whole ?4 eh, wouldn't even buy a gallon of petrol nowadays, though it's not really ?4 is it, 22% (is that the rate nowadays) is for tax and 11% for NI would soon knock that down to less than ?3, and then

The average weekly wage, including bonus payments, rose by 1.1% comparing May to July 2013 with the same period a year earlier. At ?474 in July 2013, average weekly wages including bonus payments were ?3 higher when compared with July 2012.

I'm shocked with food and utility prices rising much higher I bet people are wondering what they'll do with the massive windfalls... not.

What will really bite when it happens is when interest rates go up. Right now you have the BOE rate at 1/2 %, banks are still charging around 5% for a mortgage (have to feel sorry for banks who lend money out at high rates and pay peanuts to investors), it will make people scream if the BOE rate goes up to say 3%. All those who took out massive mortgages that they really can't afford will be watching their houses get taken back.

Good for your mate, I hope he does really well and hope he really enjoys the job, at the end of the day people will only be happy doing the job they enjoy. Maybe it's why prostitution does so well

Almost forgot why I posted:

There are 2.49 million unemployed people and 531,000 vacancies according to the ONS, so only about 1 in 5 of the unemployed can ever get a job, the rest are expected to die or commit suicide to save the government helping them along *shrug*

[Lainie]

hod on a minute

we had to take yts etc so why is this any different? as ive said a million times benefits should not be a way of life. they have been for over 20 years and it will prob take that again to try to correct it.remember they are not working for ?71 a week. they get housing benefit and council tax benefit on top of that.

[GastonJ]

Thanks for that, and this:

There are 2.49 million unemployed people and 531,000 vacancies according to the ONS, so only about 1 in 5 of the unemployed can ever get a job?

and people may not be on 'benefits' as you call them but it's taxpayers like me who are subsidising people who get working tax credits, family tax credits, family allowance, help with rent and council tax. Do you think that's fair? Why should those benefits, which is what they are, not be removed? Those people can just get a second job to earn more........ There's no reason people couldn't work 16 hours a day and sleep the other 8, or work 2 days at weekends is there? Saves people like me subsidising them.

........ except I have a conscience, which is why no matter what I earn I always have that thought at the back of my mind "Not everyone is taking the pi$$ out of the benefits system and needs help" while otehr people just tar everyone with that brush.

[Lainie]

ive never tarred them all with the one brush as ive never said its 100% of people and i dont think the government has either tbh. ive also said state should support 2 kids you want more - you support them. even meaty liked my

if you cant feed them dont breed them

line

[GastonJ]

The biggest issue is that there aren't enough jobs for those unemployed, so that will leave 2 million even if the jobs were filled by the other 500,000 or whatever. That's ONS statistics btw, the ones the government use, not mine.

So where do you make these other 2 million people work? Road sweepers? Well not really the current employed road sweepers would be unhappy and unemployed as well. So it's ok the government spouting this manure, but you can't force people to employ people when there are no jobs. You can't abandon these people, so the only thing left is to educate them and train them to do the jobs that the so called 'immigrants' are taking. Kills 3 birds with one stone

1) Educates and train people to do the jobs they can't currently attain
2) Gets people off dole doing something worthwhile to improve their lives and pay taxes
3) Makes it so they can get the jobs the immigrants are taking and so shuts up the right

Everyone ends up better off and when they're working they pay tax. However the training and education has to be real and worthwhile, not shelf stacking in a supermarket.

*shrug*

[Snowy79]

I'm also all for paying my way to subsidise those less fortunate than myself but I just wish some of the left wing charities would take a reality check. I hope that if I'm ever up the creek whatever Government is in charge makes me undergo state funded training as any time I've wanted training I've had to pay my own way.

I'm sick of hearing about the long term unemployed being stigmatised by highlighting they get money for nothing and how the workers look down their nose at them and by compulsory employment, training or treatment we are victimising them.

Do they not realise a lot of tax payers have sympathy for the position they are in and will have more if they know they are doing something to earn their benefits than just sitting at home. Add to this if they have to be somewhere again whether it's working, training or treatment they won't be working cash in hand. The black market jobs will still need doing and who knows a real job may come available. Or even lots of jobs as everyone of my mates who is on the dole work on the side cash in hand at least four days a week.

I might be wrong but aren't benefits capped at ?26,000 tax free yet a new recruit into the military is on under ?16,000, some of whom have families. Infact most of the people I know are on less than ?26,000 working full time and paying taxes. Something is wrong somewhere. Where's all the political parties kicking a stink up about this ?

[Lainie]

just for info benefit cap does NOT include council tax but it should so add that onto the ?26000. remember this is tax and NI free. im no wages expert but surely that must equate to an annual salary of around ?39000 so thats the REAL benefit cap figure.

[ifred]

A simpler solution would be to give them free bread and other staples, a TV that works only 3 hours a day, A bicycle that if they peddle it produce the electricity to run said TV for the 3 hours? Give them a inkjet printer and a quick course on desktop publishing so they can design their own degree certificate etc. soon we'll have a physically fit and health well educated (on paper an least) unemployed ready to work.
I think my scheme will be much better that the gov. plan but I'm biased ...Is no more hair-brained that their but I'm not wishing to be re-elected soon
Looking forward to seeing the job centres crammed full of unemployed for 30 hours a week trying to get out!
Mine you could be some good business selling bikes or taxi rides to Job Centres

[gmb45]

hmm job centers rammed full off the unemployed who dont want to be there for 6-8 hours a day, i can see where thats going to lead, hope they got a lot of extra security on ffs, snowy hit the nail on the head about black market work, the gov knows this will disrupt it big time, which is what they want as well, or them doing cash in hand will think ferk the dole centre shite and incur sanctions ie, loose their benefit, but they will keep the housing benefit etc, all in all win win fur the tory scum

[Lainie]

aint it strange how some constantly slag off the government but are happy to take money off them year after year. maybe if you could see what i see you would understand a bit better. if people can afford to drink and smoke they are getting too much imo. of course theres not work for everyone and there never will be but thats no excuse to sit on yer arse for 30 years. if i couldnt find work id do some kind of voluntary work even if for a few hours a week. id be mortified living off benefits for years. maybe if more people had that attitude then we wouldnt be in the state we are in.

please dont think im all for the government as im not. i see decisions made every day that horrify me. then again decision makers can only go on the evidence they have in front of them and if people dont supply it then thats their fault.

[bobwill]

This scheme is similar to the one labour had in 1997 when any young unemployable had to work in the voluntary sector and the environment taskforce
In my area a lot had to do grass cutting and tree clearance on the broads and river banks. some done repairs to windmills etc If I remember right I think
they got benifit plus any expenses like bus fares etc and a few pounds extra

[salim]

As an earlier post mentioned. I think they hit the nail on the head.
I would reword it slightly & call it "Tax Payer Funded WAGE".
So you work for your wage rebuilding Englands roads etc but it should be at the minimum wage level per hour.

If you don't like the minimum wage, re-train & get a better job elsewhere.
However those that are ill or disabled, should be cared for by the state without pressure or duress But with regular check-ups.

Having said that, the thing is that the Daily Mail always rants about foriegners taking money from the state, but sadly its the UK citizens are the real scroungers. Non EU citizens are not allowed to claim.

Also why do people working in Local goverments / civil servants / teachers / unions etc think they deserve better rights than the rest of us?
We need better equal sustainable rights for ALL workers

[Meat-Head]

if you cant feed them dont breed them

OFF TOPIC:-

Was talking to some woman that works in a simular place to yours, did mention some of your posts to her, but i didn't use the quote function, just the CODE function.

She was saying some woman went in, with a bun in the oven, ready to pop, who ever said

"Because your brat is turning 5 your off benefits, but becasue your a carer you stay on them"


She said "Oh so i got up the duff for no reason then"

The biggest issue is that there aren't enough jobs for those unemployed,

1) Educates and train people to do the jobs they can't currently attain

Everyone ends up better off and when they're working they pay tax. However the training and education has to be real and worthwhile, not shelf stacking in a supermarket.

*shrug*

So what do folks on commity service do, or they just try to translate for these sodding Polish shop workers.

[ifred]

OFF TOPIC:-

She said "Oh so i got up the duff for no reason then"

Fortunately when they get to 50 something the baby making machine gets switched off!
I know somebody in that situation now. Found she's eligible for work and can't pop another sprat