Migrants' 'longer wait for benefit'

[super jumbe]

Downing Street has confirmed it is looking at a possible extension of the length of time new arrivals from the EU have to stay in the UK before claiming benefits.

But the Prime Minister's official spokesman poured cold water on reports that David Cameron is ready to defy EU rules in order to impose tougher conditions, telling reporters: "The Government acts within the law."

Concerns have been raised in Westminster over the numbers of Romanians and Bulgarians who might come to the UK when movement controls imposed when they joined the European Union expire in January.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/lib-dem-fears-pm-immigration-bid-105951375.html

[Meat-Head]

Err hang on

There was a company here in Meat-City they employeed 100000000000000 people. making Potato peelers, been around since 10,0000 BC (before coffee). Don't know why but they went bust.

The majority of the work force had been there since they left skool, like 100 years, some managed to get a job with a rival firm as soon as they got made redundant.

Few years later they get made redundant a few of them and try to claim King Cole to be told "You haven't paid in long enoguh to get ANYTHING out" The receivers at the time took their NI money didn't give to the govement.

So on that score they should get nothing, not a penny, nil poi.

Again if i was with that Carol Decker in a forgein land got stuck woulnd expect them to pay for my stay, TEMPORAY loan yes, but other wise no.

Too cold to link to bedroom tax thread

[GastonJ]

Aye but it's a right wing 'popular' move, unsure who for really - playing to the crowd of who believe it will really save us money and get us out of sh*t. Makes good right wing headlines "Cameron says no", will be quite good to see the UK in court, but only if he pays the bill. Don't forget, Ted Heath and his Tory government signed up for it, for those who'll blame anyone they can but the right people.

Biggest part of the welfare bill is pensioners, kill them all off and we'd save a fortune *shrug*

[nara]

Biggest part of the welfare bill is pensioners, kill them all off and we'd save a fortune *shrug*

Not sure how that would fit in with "Daily Mail" core values.

Safer to concentrate on Johnny Foreigner.

[super jumbe]

Biggest part of the welfare bill is pensioners, kill them all off and we'd save a fortune *shrug*

So the pensioners worked all there life and paid thousands in taxes and NI lets get rid of them and pay the migrants when they have not contributed a penny to our UK system!!!!

[GastonJ]

Ted and successive governments allowed it to happen, and it's a reciprocal arrangement across the EU for anyone wishing to leave the UK and go on the dole in France etc, or even Poland if they wish. It is *no* surprise or shock to any government that the arrangements have been in place for this to happy and any that claim they'll make a difference are playing to the who seem the believe that the government just found out.

If you'd read how the DWP money is actually spent you'd see that more than 50% of the money is spent on pensions, however irony doesn't appear in your vocabulary?

[Meat-Head]

Gaston mate when you finished with that sheep can you be bothered to have a squint at the Japan crisi, there running out of old people or something.

post your finding here

thanksssssssssssssssssssss

[bobwill]

, and it's a reciprocal arrangement across the EU for anyone wishing to leave the UK and go on the dole in France etc, or even Poland if they wish.
?

Employment, Social Affairs & Inclusion
Your social security righ
ts in France
July 2012
8
Chapter II: Healthcare
When are you entitled to healthcare?
Persons exercising a professional activity (employed or self
-
employed), or those
resident on French territory on a continuous and legal basis, and their dependents, are
entitled to health
care.
Eligibility criteria
Entitlement is established first and foremost on professional or similar criteria. It is
subject to the following prerequisites: quotas for hours worked or amounts of
contributions. Those ceasing to fulfil the conditions for obta
ining cover under a social
security scheme as an insured person or as a beneficiary remain entitled to receive
benefits in kind under their previous scheme for one year, until they once more fulfil
the conditions for obtaining cover under a compulsory sche
me.
Other persons, who are members of the general scheme on the basis of their
residence, may have to pay the special
CMU
contribution, depending on their level of
income.
For healthcare, the general scheme covers 85% of persons employed in the private
s
ector, civil servants and persons resident in France on a continuous and legal basis,
and who are not protected by any cover elsewhere. The benefits in kind available to
nationals under the agricultural scheme and the scheme for non
-
agricultural selfemployed persons are on a par with the benefits available under the general scheme.


and for sickness benifit

Eligibility criteria
The daily allowance is paid subject to the payment of contributions or a minimum
period of activity. In order to receive the daily allowance, you may be required to
undergo medical checks arranged by your fund

Employment, Social Affairs & Inclusion
Your social security rights in France
July 2012 22
Chapter X: Unemployment
When are you entitled to unemployment benefits?
Only employed persons may claim unemployment benefit.
In order to qualify for unemployment benefits you must fulfil the following conditions:

have become unemployed through no fault of your own;

be registered as a jobseeker and agree to a personalised back towork action plan;
be genuinely and continuously seeking employment;

be physically fit for work;

not meeting the conditions for receiving a full pension;

produce evidence that you have been insured under the unemployment insurance
scheme for at least four of the last 28 months (36 months if you are over 50

dont think you will get any benefits in France untill you pay insame with Poland
You seem obsessed with the old age pensioners the ones who have paid all they lives to put people though school
and uni to pay for nhs to pay for the war debt and to make life very easy for todays younger generation
We all know what happen under the last load of idiots who where in power threw money out to anyone as bribes
hoping they would vote for them again bankrupted the country ,take it you want them to get re elected to finish the job off

[GastonJ]

and the current load of idiots are playing to the crowd, but they're playing to the crowd with the crowds money and being paid for it by the crowd. No better really. I seem to recall that the current idiot had 'evidence' that the Syrian government gassed it's own people in August and wanted to get to war as quick as possible - since it wouldn't be him or his mates dying. Luckily the House of Commons decided not to back him or we'd be busy paying for another war which was nothing to do with is.

I've nothing against pensioners at all, they deserve the money, just pointing out, for those who can't read, that the largest part of welfare is paid to pensioners and probably a very very tiny fraction is paid to migrant workers (unless you have the factual figures?). So the big issue of the day for Dave seems to be to deflect attention away from his failures by blaming migrant workers, and quite probably ending up in court with the UK taxpayer having to foot the bill, which will undoubtably be more than we would have paid out in benefits to migrant workers. Something which he, like the last unch, and the bunch before that, and the bunch before that seem to conveniently forget Ted, and they signed up for.

They shoudl read the fine print, or are they so incompetent (all of them) that they are unable to read and just sign up for any old sh*t, knowing they can blame someone else? *shrug*

[Meat-Head]

did see some PROPERGANDER that the irrtants bring in more money then they take out.
Yeah right like the Indain bloke the other day "That is too dear, can you give me discount" "Do you get discount at Tesco.com" "no", well then shut up and payup.

[GastonJ]

Oddly enough, if I'm to pay anything over ?100 for something I always ask for discount as well

Do any of you actually know what the rules are on claiming benefit in the UK if your'e from the EU?

[Kalipo]

Don't forget, Ted Heath and his Tory government signed up for it, for those who'll blame anyone they can but the right people.

Biggest part of the welfare bill is pensioners, kill them all off and we'd save a fortune *shrug*

Say Gaston, Ted didnt do anything of the sort! Common Market! which is trade between the forth reich and the inferior countries.. I agree though on your next comment that the fuhrers following Ted have allowed it to happen... this to me is only because they want a lasting position in the UNELECTED EUROPEAN UNION..

Come abck and say they are elected.. because theyre not.. we voted for the likes of godfrey bloom and nigel ferage... and seem to have a president who gets paid more than barrack obama.. ehh... for someone who has less a job and gets paid moooooore is saying something..

We cant change sweet f a... tony blair made sure of that.. and thats not all.. he then allowed regional governments at holyrood etc.. which in tern gives fire to the communist twerts in the north...

And you say i was bad in ww2??

[bobwill]

Do any of you actually know what the rules are on claiming benefit in the UK if your'e from the EU?

European Commission
Employment, Social Affairs and Equal Opportunities
Your social security rights in the United Kingdom
December 2010
6
qualify for some benefits. For most benefits, however, you must actually have paid a
certain amount of contributions.
Benefits ? general
Cash benefits under the national insurance scheme depend on your contribution record.
A minimum amount of contributions must have been paid before you are entitled to benefits. By contrast, entitlement to medical treatment, including dental and optical
treatment, does not depend upon national insurance contributions. In the case of
residence in Great Britain it is provided under the National Health Service and in Northern
Ireland under the Health and Personal Social Service.
To qualify for cash benefits for sickness, maternity or unemployment you must satisfy
certain contribution conditions. These are listed in chapters II, IV and
X. Your contributions in other EU Member States, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway or Switzerland may also be
taken into account to satisfy these conditions. Entitlement to pensions for old age and the
death of a spouse or civil partner depends on your (or your spouse or civil partner?s)
insurance record in all the Member States in which you have worked. Class 2 contributions
(see above) may be used to satisfy the contribution conditions for cash benefits.
It is important to claim benefits in due time as delayed applications may cause the loss of such benefits.
Appeals
When a decision has been made on your claim to cash benefits, you will be informed on
the decision and on how to contest it.


The main differance is that most countries dont include the other contributions made, also look at how we give out health care

[URL]http://ec.europa.eu/employment_social/empl_portal/SSRinEU/Your%20social%20security%20rights%20in%20United%20Kingdom_en.pdf[/URL]

[GastonJ]

At least you read the detail Bob, rather than, like the majority, only read the headlines. Those that cling to the headline would assume that Dave is about to change the law to make them wait longer, and so cheer for him as being teh man who sorted it out. What he's actually doing is looking at whether the government can change the law to do that within the EU framework. If anything SJ posted the wrong headline which was

8,000 Bulgarians set for UK move

and it's not even about benefit really. It's about the possibility of 8,000 Bulgarians moving to the UK each year and the quote

However the MigrationWatch UK campaign group has estimated that Britain could face an annual influx of 50,000 migrants from the two countries over the next five years, putting severe pressure on housing and public services.

I also seem to recall that none of them is entitled to social housing, they will have to rent privately, and if they haven't worked and paid in, then no benefits will be given to help them pay rent. So in reality those that do arrive, will have to work or bring lots of money with them, otherwise they will be homeless anyway. Those that work will pay tax and as such "putting pressure on services" means expecting services they have paid for, the same as any other taxpayer - or is that not supposed to be the case?

A quote from those that do the counting in here:

The ONS said the number of people coming to the UK from the EU had gone up by 25,000, mainly for work reasons.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25135418

Note the comment in there "for work reasons", not "for unemployment reasons"

Also from earlier, if you leave a job, or get the sack you are already barred from claiming benefits anyway *shrug*

[nara]

Don't worry. UKIP will sort them out.

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