Cameron urges Britons to fight to keep Scotland

[GastonJ]

Guess people should be signing up for this one, that way it won't matter how Scotland votes really

Referendum on English Independence - e-petitions

If the Scots *really* want independence they should be signing up, and getting as many of the English signing up to that as possible.

[Snowy79]

Much though I want Independence and fully believe we could do a better job than Westminster, in or out of the EU and with or without the Pound we won't get it as Westminster needs Scotland too much. Getting away from Sterling would be fine in my books as the Banks and the UK are treading a thin line economically. The UK is bankrupt in all but name. We can't finance our debt as it is. Even with the austerity measures implemented our debt is increasing. Our pay back interest rates are about a 7th of what they were in the 70s which is scary. Stopping Scotland using Sterling means it's going to be devalued on the World economy and interest rates will rise. The banks hold the Countries debt in Government bonds. These will also be devalued. It only needs a couple of % and the Country goes under. Look at Argentina and Greece for prime examples.

As for the petition to get English Independence even if you get it put in front of Parliament you won't get a vote. The MPs that pull your chains won't allow you the vote.

[Meat-Head]

Confused

so who gains who looses?

do we keep the scotish dk members?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH21LEmfbQ&feature=kp

[Diddy]

Much though I want Independence and fully believe we could do a better job than Westminster, in or out of the EU and with or without the Pound we won't get it as Westminster needs Scotland too much. Getting away from Sterling would be fine in my books as the Banks and the UK are treading a thin line economically. The UK is bankrupt in all but name. We can't finance our debt as it is. Even with the austerity measures implemented our debt is increasing. Our pay back interest rates are about a 7th of what they were in the 70s which is scary. Stopping Scotland using Sterling means it's going to be devalued on the World economy and interest rates will rise. The banks hold the Countries debt in Government bonds. These will also be devalued. It only needs a couple of % and the Country goes under. Look at Argentina and Greece for prime examples.

As for the petition to get English Independence even if you get it put in front of Parliament you won't get a vote. The MPs that pull your chains won't allow you the vote.

This is closer to the truth than anything else we will read/hear in the next 8 months or whatever it is.
UK pound ? Tied to uk monetary policy - UK is in much much more debt than Greece, Spain and Italy....some estimates see it as the UK debt being 3x as much as the countries mentioned and the only way we service the debt is because of historically low interest rates...and im not talking about the interest rates set by the BOE . Things certainly would not be rosy for Scotland either with an ever aging population with a pensions time bomb looming.....big decisions are going to have to be made/taken.
But as Snowy has stated above it won't matter anyway imho....they will just fiddle the numbers until it comes back no imho. We have already voted for Independence in the late 70's...very close it was but the vote came back yes.....BUT the UK government moved the goalposts shortly before the vote which made it null and void. The only vote ever taken in the UK where a majority did not count.....As much as people may want this it wont be allowed to happen imho. Dirty politics and dirty tricks as well as downright lies will put paid to all that. Wouldn't surprise me to see the whole scottish parliament explode if that is what them in power deemed was needed.

[ifred]

Confused

so who gains who looses?

do we keep the scotish dk members?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH21LEmfbQ&feature=kp

Nope we keep their kilts and sporran, they keep their underpants to tuck their ishit in

[GastonJ]

We have already voted for Independence in the late 70's...very close it was but the vote came back yes.....BUT the UK government moved the goalposts shortly before the vote which made it null and void. The only vote ever taken in the UK where a majority did not count

perhaps because only about 31% of those who could vote did vote yes, 29% voted no, and the other 40% ish didn't even turn up. Is it the fault of the English that only 63% of those eligible to vote bothered to vote? No vote at all is not a yes vote, unless you're basing your voting system on something Maggie used to push through getting rid of council property, and I doubt the Scots will agree with Maggie. Anyway this time Alex has included the 16/17 year olds in this, those that can't even count their own fingers let alone work out whether an independent Scotland is sustainable.

You really need to sign the petition above to let the English vote if you ever want to be sure of an independent Scotland

[Diddy]

perhaps because only about 31% of those who could vote did vote yes, 29% voted no, and the other 40% ish didn't even turn up. Is it the fault of the English that only 63% of those eligible to vote bothered to vote? No vote at all is not a yes vote, unless you're basing your voting system on something Maggie used to push through getting rid of council property, and I doubt the Scots will agree with Maggie. Anyway this time Alex has included the 16/17 year olds in this, those that can't even count their own fingers let alone work out whether an independent Scotland is sustainable.

You really need to sign the petition above to let the English vote if you ever want to be sure of an independent Scotland

The clause about % of population in the last indi vote was included at the 11th hour it was not in the original agreement. If you can't be bothered to vote then IMHO that bars you from an opinion and also makes your views/complains null and void. As I already said this is the ONLY time where we have not listened to the outcome of a free vote....if this had happened in any other country we would have called it a dictatorship and most probably be drawing up plans to bomb the **** out of them.....especially as there was/is oil involved....gawd maybe I should vote no after all, don't fancy ruk and their american mates flying unmanned drones over us in the name of regime change. Lets face it us jocks could launch something big within 45 mins.

[Snowy79]

I agree with Diddy 100%. It was a stitch up counting the non voters as a vote against Independence. Strange they weren't counted as a Yes. As for only 63% of voters voting. In todays elections that would be a high turnout. In the last local election that Labour held onto I think it was a 28% turnout. I never heard them refusing the nomination as more people using this ****ogy voted against all those campaigning.

[Kalipo]

I always thought that it was scottish devolution that was voted yes for in 1979..

Scotland was never asked if it wanted indi or not in the 70s..

and you got devolution..

Just saying!

[Snowy79]

It was a stepping stone to Independence as when it was put on the table the Conservatives refused to have it as part of the discussions. The SNP walked away and was given the Referendum option as a token option.

[Kalipo]

So, your saying you voted yes and got what you wanted??? Erm..

No worries anyway , you won't get indi .. things have changed since 79.. for 1 maggy not in power..

The vote will just be a formality for the no vote..

Feels good wasting time sometimes..

[GastonJ]

The clause about % of population in the last indi vote was included at the 11th hour it was not in the original agreement.If you can't be bothered to vote then IMHO that bars you from an opinion and also makes your views/complains null and void.

You could look at it another way - the 40% ish that didn't bother did know that if they didn't vote then it would mean no devolution unless 66% of the remaining 60% voted yes, and they still chose not to vote - or are you going to tell us that the English stopped them getting to the polling stations? Regardless of when it was done, had the other 40% wanted Scotland to have devolution at the time they could have voted Yes, ensured it happened, they chose not to vote knowing that if there wasn't a majority % voting it wouldn't happen. It was either by apathy or choice, take your pick. By doing so they had to wait for Tony Blair to give them devolution instead *shrug*

Same for the UK elections, people have the choice to vote or not for MP's, if only 28% of the UK electorate turned out to vote and Labour won then the 72% who didn't bother deserve what they got. I have no sympathy for them, they can have an opinion, but it's as worthless as the vote they didn't cast.

I will cast doubt on whether Scotland will vote for independence. What will Alex do then, who will he blame and what will become of the SNP, without a mandate from the majority for independence? Now that will be a conversation to be had.

[Meat-Head]

CONFUSED

IAS THERE a youtuba link or netflicks link please?

[GastonJ]

Take yer pick

Fish - Shadowplay - Internal Exile - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTMSGVu_2ks

[Snowy79]

If we don't get Independence it will just be a few more years before we are fully run by the EU anyway once the Westminster Politicians line jobs up in Brussels.