Scottish Independence

[johnboy1974]

I never referenced SNP the article did, the fact that he was stood with Alex and Nicola when he said it speaks volumes and is a fact. Oh I forgot facts are the strong point in the Yes campaign are they

Oh and I dislike politicians equally, no matter which party or what they're doing.

But you will admit that he has been touring Scotland as an independent same as his wife margo before she died. Will you admit that. Or do you want to dwell on the fact that he was the deputy leader of the snp in the past. As an snp hater I know you choose the later. Luckily the Scottish electorate have awoken and have moved beyond the past, they're voting on Thursday for the future.


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[GastonJ]

But you will admit that he has been touring Scotland as an independent same as his wife margo before she died. Will you admit that.

I admit nothing, I made no claim, do you think I wrote the article that I quoted?

A politician enhancing the understanding of working class Scots pull the other one making veiled threats to companies, well not even veiled when Alex (and yes it was him, quoted many times) accuses everyone else of doing the same Politicians have one goal in mind, line their pockets and it will be your money they line them with, its the same the world over. Good luck with that. You seem to be good at quoting and asking me to back up everything I write, I back them up each time with facts that you then ignore.

Perhaps it's about time you asked those very politicians to back up their claims with facts, and see what happens

[johnboy1974]

I admit nothing, I made no claim, do you think I wrote the article that I quoted?

A politician enhancing the understanding of working class Scots pull the other one making veiled threats to companies, well not even veiled when Alex (and yes it was him, quoted many times) accuses everyone else of doing the same Politicians have one goal in mind, line their pockets and it will be your money they line them with, its the same the world over. Good luck with that. You seem to be good at quoting and asking me to back up everything I write, I back them up each time with facts that you then ignore.

Perhaps it's about time you asked those very politicians to back up their claims with facts, and see what happens

Yes that's why I want to know the facts about the new powers that Scotland is going to get if we vote no, further to that I want to know why these powers were not on the table two years ago or even two months ago. Why were they not set even set out before nearly one million people made their decision by postal vote two weeks ago. The people of Scotland are not daft we know politicians lie. Scottish Politicians who arevelected by the Scottish electorate who lie can be held more accountable in an independent Scotland. Tell me what we can do about lying Tories who change their own online history because of their lies.
Scotland is waking up to this.


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[Kalipo]

The Scottish people will decide who would be the prime minister in an independent Scotland- maybe we will choose the person who can eat the most deep fried mars bars in a minute!!!


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I was going to say you can have Tony blair..

But wasn't it Scotland that wants to try Tony Blair for war crimes??

Scottish bid to charge Blair with war crimes | Herald Scotland


If this is true.. I'm all for Independence.. I'd love to see this man hanged and his body drawn and quartered in whats left of the UK

[Meat-Head]

ON TOOIC: (iShit Failiure)

If its a yes RBS saud there moving to London?? Exain??

SENT FROM MYCH HATED ISHIT 3

[PremierD]

They are only moving a ****in brass plate to london ......

[GastonJ]

Well oddly enough I don't know why they weren't on the table for the last 7 years, your government will know why they failed to ask for or negotiate them for 7 years. I won't say who's been in government for the last 7 years because you'll accuse me of being biased. However your government have failed to negotiate for that time and sat on their hands. Ask yourself why, or maybe ask your government why they did nothing during their time as the government, after all it's for them to answer not me. However they failed the people of Scotland, those people they claim to represent.

If you want to know the facts then it's not worth asking the politicians they don't have any, that's clearly been seen. The facts appear to be from companies that they will either be heading south, cutting back or charging more for services/goods should Scotland vote Yes - and that's a fact, they have said it and nothing you or the Yes campaign can do will change that. Companies are free to set prices unless of course you're in North Korea, is that the country that Scotland wants to become - I doubt that very much, but will Jim Sillers making those threats (while sat/stood with the 2 SNP leaders - fact btw) which they didn't deny should speak volumes.

We have to have some party or other run the UK, whether we like them or not. The only way to kick them out is to ensure that the other party gets more MP's elected. If that isn't done they will stay there - I'm sure you can work that out for yourself, as can everyone else.

One my last post in this thread, because the thread is turning stupid, I do have a lot of relatives in Scotland and I happen to know how they're voting and why - they are voting "No" because they are thinking with their heads and not their hearts. The impact of a Yes vote to everyday Scots has not been seen or quoted, but the facts that have been quoted speak for themselves, it will be the everyday Scots that pay the price and not the politicians, but good luck with that whichever way it goes.

Perhaps your next government of whichever flavour will know how to negotiate and so not fail the people of Scotland like the one you have now has.

[Meat-Head]

ON TOPIC:-

POINT PROVED.

100% of the votes so far say stay, that's both votes so far.

Thanks for adding the poll

[Snowy79]

There's been a lot of points raised by people on this vote made purely from the information in the media who may or may not have a vested interest in the UK staying together.

One thing that is obvious to anyone living in Scotland with a brain is that Alec Salmond although the leader of the SNP also happens to be one of the smartest politicians on the circuit and I know that doesn't say much for the rest. The media build up a hate of Salmond but they can't pin point a valid reason to hate him more than any other MP.

He's stated on TV hundreds of time we will use the pound yet it's all over the papers we don't know what currency we will use if we get Independance. Think about it logically. The pound isn't Independant, it's value is set on the World market. If the UK which like Scotland is in debt that it can't currently repay and thanks to Westminster we've sold off our family silver to slow it down, why would you refuse access to 9.7% of the current value of the pound? The pound is already artificially held up. If the UK refuse to let us share it then it's value will plummet. Luckily Scotland is only slightly reliant on the banking industry where as the UK is kept barely afloat by it. Ignore the threats of Banks moving away, it's a lever to get Westminster to relinquish it's hold over the banks. Remember the banks carry the majority of the UK debt. If they move away from Scotland they take their debt with them. Westminster and the Bank of England won't allow it without a currency Union.

[Snowy79]

As for Jim Sillars if you watch the interview where he mentions a day of reckoning for businesses he explains himself clearly. He points out that who do these companies think they are trying to tell Government what to do and also threatening the very public that bailed them out? He points out that in an Independant Scotland businesses will concentrate on making money and the Government will set policy not the businesses. He also said if they want to head South feel free as another business will step in and make money as that's what businesses do. They don't run away from where money is to be made.

[Snowy79]

The sad irony of this vote is there are some people voting due to being members of certain football clubs or whether they love the Queen. They never got the irony of an Orange Order March going through the Capital playing No Surrender etc. whilst voting to surrender to Westminster. You couldn't make it up.

[GastonJ]

Yeah I know I said I wouldn't post any more but could you correct the poll please?

"do you think Scotland shoud go alone, or stay in the UK" to "

do you think Scotland should go alone, or stay in the UK"

Cheers

[Snowy79]

A final point about Scottish Politicians not asking for more powers and thus failing the people. Think about it logically. 59 Scottish MPs out of a total of 650 MPs. Some of those 59 being whipping boys for Labour who tell them to wind their necks in. They approach Parliament for greater powers and even if by some miracle they get MPs to give away powers it's then got to go via the House of Lords who are made up of Donors, friends and family do you seriously think the powers will be passed?

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/9736-we-will-block-more-powers-warns-tory-mp

[busaman]

im not biased either way but i think the Scots would be raving mad to go it alone a few points. who would pay for public transport, the roads, pensions,further education,university placements,nhs prescriptions,social security etc etc. the list is huge and all could not be met by Scottish industry and taxes alone.

[johnboy1974]

im not biased either way but i think the Scots would be raving mad to go it alone a few points. who would pay for public transport, the roads, pensions,further education,university placements,nhs prescriptions,social security etc etc. the list is huge and all could not be met by Scottish industry and taxes alone.

Of course nobody in Scotland works, we are an industrial wasteland. Play bagpipes all day long and eat haggis everyday. I just can't figure out why Westminster is so keen to hold onto Scotland.


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