Well Done Scotland

[rds60h]

As a Scot in England I am pleased that Scotland will remain part of the UK, had I still lived in Scotland I would have been an SNP voter, but I would still have voted NO.
That may appear mixed up to some, but my view is that on an internal basis the SNP want the best for Scots and have in many cases delivered on that basis.
But, Scotland as an Independent Nation was not properly or fully investigated and the campaign was run on a National Pride basis only. Scots, rightly so have National Pride but that alone is not a viable reason or solution to setting up and running an Independent Nation.
One real bonus that I believe should occur from this campaign is that it should make Westminster sit up and realise that London is Not the Whole of Britain !!! and hopefully it will strengthen the voice of the rest of the UK and bring about change that we all need and help progress the UK as a whole to a better future.
One slight down was that some YES supporters voiced anger about Party Political voting, whereas prior to the election they were saying it was not about Party Politics. In my mind it never was about Party Politics, it was about what was best for the people of Scotland and I believe that a strong Scotland can and will help the UK be a stronger, better and fairer Nation, and hopefully will not become a divided squabbling and opposed Country.
That Strong Proud Scotland is the Scotland that I want to return to in the not too distant future.

[Snowy79]

Sadly it's opened up an even greater divide. The result was always going to be messy. You only have to look at the sectarian shi@e that's been visible for years. As long as some of the population celebrate a guy on a donkey and others blame Britain for all it's problems you're never going to get a good outcome. I'm now seeing even more anti-Scottish stuff now as Westminster painted the Scots as a dependant nation that needs the UK to survive. The no voters bought the fear and thought of themselves and decided they were happy the way they are. No problem there except the English quite rightly are now thinking, wait a minute my life is suffering by funding the Scottish people, they are now demanding Devolution and I don't blame them. UKIP grew on the back of picking on immigrants so now watch them flourish on the Scots. Labour are useless and the Tories will jump into bed with UKIP. There's tough times ahead as if that happens it's goodby Europe hello the Transatlantic Union.

[gopher7]

had I still lived in Scotland I would have been an SNP voter, but I would still have voted NO.

Why would you be an SNP voter and vote NO.???
Getting Independence for Scotland is one of the main reasons why the SNP was set up.

[GastonJ]

At the end of the day the people who voted used their heads. The people of Scotland won, well done to them.

[rds60h]

had I still lived in Scotland I would have been an SNP voter, but I would still have voted NO.

Why would you be an SNP voter and vote NO.???
Getting Independence for Scotland is one of the main reasons why the SNP was set up.

I thought I explained that, but I'll expand on why. SNP is a Scottish Political Party and as such has the regards of the Scots as their number one priority and as such campaigned for things like progressive personal taxation, the eradication of poverty, free state education, including support grants for higher education students and pay increases for nurses. They are basically a "Social Democrat Party" an authentic Scottish alternative to the Labour Party, they weren't specifically set up to gain Independence for Scotland although Devolution and Political Strength for Scotland was an aim and achievement, it should be remembered that Alex Salmond was amongst a group who were expelled from the Party in 1979 because of extremist views.
One of the early SNP policies used to be a commitment to unilateral nuclear disarmament and historically they were opposed to membership of NATO, but in 2012 the party policy was changed and they now support NATO. This shows that party members were not all supporters of the Party's Nuclear stance, but they were still Party members..........................so because you are a Party member of supporter, it does not mean that you have to agree with every Policy that the overall Party stands for.
Also, because someone has voted against Independence, it does not mean that they do not want Scotland to have more say on what happens on a local level and you will find that most people throughout England, Wales and Northern Ireland also want that to be the case for themselves and it is time for everyone to strive for this and let Westminster realise that there is existence outside of London.
There is an old adage that I feel is appropriate and that is "Divide and Conquer" we need to "Unite and Rule".

[GastonJ]

It may be that in the discussion and vote will have done all of the UK some good. It's now up to the politicians to ensure that everyone in the UK gets a decent deal in all the regions - whether you look at those as Scotland, Wales, NI, England, the north, southwest etc. At the end of the day, as things stand it is the larger cities that get the funding and it's about time that changed for everyone

[dell_xps]

As a YES voter, I can only disagree with all above, NO voters will bring this country to it's knees, this is my opinion, I'm entitled to it just as you are with your opinion.
That's all I say, and I'm Scottish And Proud !

[Snowy79]

I was 100% for a YES vote and still think the No voters will live to regret it. If we'd stood on our own feet and failed we'd still survive to an extent. Now the Politicians will panic and bribe their own areas. The UK debt is out of control already so anything that is given out as a bribe must come from somewhere. I feel the poor, pensioners and disabled will be hammered.

[GastonJ]

The Yes campaigners failed to provide sufficient subbstance to their claims and so failed to convince the majority to vote with them. Under normal circumstances those that fail to win go off and consider why they failed, in this case it's doubtful that they will. Uncertainty and lack of detail over a large number of areas that they failed to cover properly and left too much doubt in peoples minds. Even the Shelands would have seriously considered walking away from Scotland had it been a Yes, which speaks volumes, or would Scotland have denied them their chance to be independent of Scotland had the vote gone that way?


By all means; if you want to blame a group of people go ahead, but the fact is that the Yes campaign failed to convince the majority that the time was right and that it was the right thing to do. Thos that voted No weighed up the options and decided they weren't convinced.

[DOUGALMCD]

You have to seriously ask yourselves why we are a country that have debt given that we are one of the richest in the world. Banks were bailed out by the people not the other way around. This country should have no debt but it will always be mismanaged and we will always be in debt as it is a form of control to keep people down. We will always have the what else can you do people because they are not capable of using their brain to come up with a logical answer. I'll give you an example US has that much gas it can't give it away why aren't the big companies buying it over and passing on savings? That's right that's not the way we do it. Politics stink in this country and they have to change or we can all keep going along saying I'm alright **** everyone else.

[DOUGALMCD]

The Yes campaigners failed to provide sufficient subbstance to their claims and so failed to convince the majority to vote with them. Under normal circumstances those that fail to win go off and consider why they failed, in this case it's doubtful that they will. Uncertainty and lack of detail over a large number of areas that they failed to cover properly and left too much doubt in peoples minds. Even the Shelands would have seriously considered walking away from Scotland had it been a Yes, which speaks volumes, or would Scotland have denied them their chance to be independent of Scotland had the vote gone that way?
By all means; if you want to blame a group of people go ahead, but the fact is that the Yes campaign failed to convince the majority that the time was right and that it was the right thing to do. Thos that voted No weighed up the options and decided they weren't convinced.

Substance now there's a word that you will soon find out that the other parties do not know the meaning of either.
Lack of detail is what we have been living under in this country for too long.
Shetlands dredged up by buffoons and spoken by them.
Nobody weighed up options people were threatened mostly with lies as there is no true democracy it doesn't exist.

[GastonJ]

Nobody weighed up options people were threatened mostly with lies as there is no true democracy it doesn't exist.

The people did weigh up the options and voted as they saw fit. 85% turnout is good, and the majority voted the way they did, that's democracy at work. Democracy doesn't work when you have the choice of lying for 3 or 4 parties that only have their own self interest at heart and there are no other choices, at the end of the day one of them will be elected. You can't threaten people with lies, that's not possible. Like "if you don't vote no I'll tell your mother that you stole the ?100 she never had in her purse" a threat - Doesn't really work does it?

What will be interesting now is whether the 16 and 17 years olds that were included in that vote will also get to vote on the next government elections in Scotland, or was that only for a single purpose that they can be trusted to vote?

As the subject, well done Scotland for taking the right decision.

[DOUGALMCD]

No banks
No mortgages
Savings collapsing
Food increases
All big companies leaving
Massive job losses
Can't get into eu etc etc etc

Most people are influenced by psychology Gaston it is called the fear factor and it works it is tried and tested worldwide.
Unlike most people I see through things for what they are.
As for the 16-17 year olds maybe they should as it's those who are going to be paying for **** ups of this generation.

[gc1966]

at the end of the day Scotland asked for a democratic vote amongst its own people with regard to breaking away from this union,20% more people rejected independence than embraced it,in true democratic style the losers wipe their mouths and move on,they gave it their best shot and were found scant on convincing answers for their policy.

[Snowy79]

It's hard job to compete when you have over 97% of the media in the pockets of the Government. For every expert that talked down figures one talked them up, but you could only find the information on the web as the papers and the majority of TV stations failed to broadcast it. You have to wonder when the press praise Gordon Brown and his talk of saving pensions for the old when it's in black and white that he has already shafted pensions. Not once was the UK debt raised or questions asked about how the rest of the UK would react if we got Independance. The press and Politicians played on peoples fears so we'll see how they back up their promises when Parliament resumes. Whatever the outcome Labour are pretty much finished in Scotland for selling their souls to the Tories. The Greens and SNP are seeing a massive rise in their memberships and Johaan Lamont is soon for the high jump as she is useless.