Well Done Scotland

[gc1966]

but snowy,those labour voters voted for labour before the independence vote and at least some voted no,so why should they not vote that way again???

[dell_xps]

Labour is finished in Scotland, FACT. (Just Tories in disguise).
No voters have ruined this country, FACT.
The vote was rigged, that also another FACT, I consider myself Scottish not British, if you don't like that then tuff, I'm entitled to my opinion as you are entitled to your opinion.
This thread should be closed, as it will just snowball into one big argument where people will end up getting banned, another FACT,

[Snowy79]

I can only go by what a few of my mates say about Labour and no longer voting for them as I'd never vote labour anyway. They were Labour brainwashed since they were kids but are disgusted in the way Labour has sided with the Tories. Most have gone to the SNP with a few joining the Greens and they say their mates are going along similar lines. I've never joined a party but looking at Social Media the SNP and Greens have gained thousands of new members.

[johnboy1974]

The Yes campaigners failed to provide sufficient subbstance to their claims and so failed to convince the majority to vote with them. Under normal circumstances those that fail to win go off and consider why they failed, in this case it's doubtful that they will. Uncertainty and lack of detail over a large number of areas that they failed to cover properly and left too much doubt in peoples minds. Even the Shelands would have seriously considered walking away from Scotland had it been a Yes, which speaks volumes, or would Scotland have denied them their chance to be independent of Scotland had the vote gone that way?


By all means; if you want to blame a group of people go ahead, but the fact is that the Yes campaign failed to convince the majority that the time was right and that it was the right thing to do. Thos that voted No weighed up the options and decided they weren't convinced.

Nothing to do with anything you have said- the vote was swung by the older generation who were drip fed utter pash about their pensions being under threat. Gordon brown made it a personal mission to deceive as many senior citizens as he possibly could before making himself unelected leader of the no campaign( he's good at that).
The sad thing is that it's estimated 73% of younger first time voters wanted independence- what a selfish act from the o.a.p's


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[johnboy1974]

I can only go by what a few of my mates say about Labour and no longer voting for them as I'd never vote labour anyway. They were Labour brainwashed since they were kids but are disgusted in the way Labour has sided with the Tories. Most have gone to the SNP with a few joining the Greens and they say their mates are going along similar lines. I've never joined a party but looking at Social Media the SNP and Greens have gained thousands of new members.

Same here snowy, I'm so glad that my hometown voted yes in every single constituency. Scotland's biggest city voted overwhelmingly for yes and straight in the eyes of the labour heartland. They are in a world of sheight at the general election next year. No longer a party that stands up for the working class.
I've been trying for 3 days to get onto the snp website to join the party, but its so busy the servers keep crashing.


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[Snowy79]

A few Labour for Independance who pretty much summed Labour up. Johann Lamont smiling outside an Asda in Glasgow while saying prices will rise. This is the person who is meant to represent the poor and working class. The same person who called benefits a something for nothing society. I take my hat of to a lot of the parties not just SNP. They were made out to be nasty party. Imagine fighting passionately for your people instead of those lovely politicians in Westminster. Even Tommy Sheridan is asking his supporters to vote SNP as they represent the people and this guy is well out on the edge. https://www.facebook.com/YesScotland...69578786386366

[johnboy1974]

A few Labour for Independance who pretty much summed Labour up. Johann Lamont smiling outside an Asda in Glasgow while saying prices will rise. This is the person who is meant to represent the poor and working class. The same person who called benefits a something for nothing society. I take my hat of to a lot of the parties not just SNP. They were made out to be nasty party. Imagine fighting passionately for your people instead of those lovely politicians in Westminster. Even Tommy Sheridan is asking his supporters to vote SNP as they represent the people and this guy is well out on the edge. https://www.facebook.com/YesScotland...69578786386366

She was my English teacher in springburn Glasgow in the mid 1980's a thoroughly despicable female who was hated by every one in the school.


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[dell_xps]

As I mentioned in my second post Labour are finished, FACT. Tories in disguise. I'm from the City of Yescovery & proud of it!

[rds60h]

I'm now seeing even more anti-Scottish stuff now as Westminster painted the Scots as a dependant nation that needs the UK to survive.

The no voters bought the fear and thought of themselves and decided they were happy the way they are. No problem there except the English quite rightly are now thinking, wait a minute my life is suffering by funding the Scottish people, they are now demanding Devolution and I don't blame them.

UKIP grew on the back of picking on immigrants so now watch them flourish on the Scots. Labour are useless and the Tories will jump into bed with UKIP.

There's tough times ahead as if that happens it's goodby Europe hello the Transatlantic Union.

Snowy79, you say that you are seeing more Anti-Scottish stuff as Westminster painted the Scots as a dependant Nation needing the UK and then in the next breathe you say that the English are quite rightly thinking that they are suffering because they are the ones funding Scotland.
So, is it Westminster rumour mongering or is it the truth as you imply by stating the English are quite rightly thinking they are funding Scotland ? In which case would it not make sense that Scotland are better off as part of the Union, and that is without taking into account the huge cost of establishing the country as a new and separate nation with it's own separate systems and identity.
As for UKIP flourishing by picking on immigrants, you would have a different view if you lived in one of numerous towns throughout England where you can stand in the town centre and watch dozens of Asian women wearing the full face covering burka or niqab accompanied by there robed and full bearded husbands, Africans and Nigerians in full flowing colourful robes, Romanians busking and begging on most corners and East European voices coming from the few other white faces, you would soon discover it is not a case of picking on immigrants, it is the reality of having to face up to the fact that the country cannot cope with the open border migration policies that are the current situation.............................especially when you are being informed by members of the Asian community that it has got out of hand.
Goodbye Europe and apologies to the Commonwealth would certainly be a better option than what exists at the moment.

[Snowy79]

I'm probably not explaining myself well RDS. What I was getting at is Scotland is a very wealthy Country and more than capable of standing on it's own. Sadly Westminstewr couldn't put that point across as they need Scotlands wealth to bail out the rest of the UK. They bombarded the voters in Scotland with scare stories about how businesses would leave Scotland in their droves, the oil will run out and how much extra money they say the Scottish people get from the public purse than anyone else and how they'd lose that. Their pensions the NHS etc in Scotland would suffer. What they never explained was the extra funding was only from the public spending and not relative over all, as we paid more in total in that we receive back. The majority of the Scottish public believed it and bottled it so voted no. In the mean time it's all over the press and the rest of the UK believes it also so start to ask why we are getting preferential treatment. If you thought it I'm sure you'd be kicking a stink up. I know I would. In short the UK needs Scotland. If they never Westminster would have ditched us years ago. Why hold onto a liability when your public are suffering. Remember we only have one Conservative MP in Scotland yet Cameron was up here love bombing us and telling us how we're part of the family. Looking forward to his next visit in about 10yrs time now that the vote is over.

[johnboy1974]

Watch now as more oil fields are discovered and brown and darling are made lords.


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[rds60h]

Snowy, I will agree with you that the UK needs Scotland and in the past Scotland has been mistreated particularly in respect of the Gas and Oil, I also agree that Scotland has wealth, but the depth and sustainablity of that wealth is questionable after so many years of drilling. But I really believe that the aspects and costs of Independence was not investigated in a serious and rational way and that too many situations where new and independent systems and and rulings were required, were readily assumed to be able to continue by using the existing UK framework...........................but that would not be the case.
And I believe that the UK needs Scotland to help change the political beliefs that London is the financial, commercial and anthropic epicentre for Britain's infrastructure. The solution to that may well involve devolution to certain areas throughout Britain, and if that is the case then Scotland can be used as a shining example of those workings and perhaps could be used as the template.
But, whatever the solution is, the initiation of dispersing power from and preference for London requires a powerful movement and that will only be achieved with a united nation, because Scotland is not the only area suffering but they are the stalwart of voicing and achieving movement in that direction.

[frankie40]

I really wish people would stop posting rubbish about the referendum being rigged in favour of No.
The "evidence" posted is easily explained. Part of the problem is that all of a sudden people have taken an interest in how votes are counted, on how the process works, which is great but what they do not realise is that there were people like me at the count representing No and we are allowed to watch what goes on. Ballot boxes are sealed at the polling station and if desired, activists with the correct documents can stay and watch the boxes being sealed. They boxes are then transported to the count under Police escort and the boxes are emptied in front of the activists who stand and watch that everything is carried out properly. Papers are then unfolded and sorted into bundles of 50 where the number of ballot papers are recorded to match the number of votes cast. All these bundles are put together then all the numbers of ballot papers are checked again against all the numbers of votes cast. Once that has happened all the bundles go back to the counting staff who then put the Yes and No votes in piles, each pile is checked and again sorted into budles of 50's. All this happens in front of representatives from the Yes and No camps.
Remember if it is an ordinary election there are maybe four or five different parties represented who witness everything they do.

There have been a couple of videos appeared as "evidence" so let me answer them. There is one showing a lady stuffing papers into a ballot box, this is not even Scotland as they are not the ballot boxes we use. The other clip from Sky News showing Yes ballot papers beside a No sign is unfortunate as it was a silly place to stack the votes before going back to be separated as noted above, and another clip of a guy allegedly marking crosses on the ballot papers was writing the number of ballot papers as noted above. There was another clip showing a member of staff getting muddled up. That does happen and is usually sorted out and spotted, but the counter herself noted the mistake and sorted them into the correct bundles. Another clip shows a ballot box being emptied that contained neat bundles, these are postal votes which have already been opened to electronically verify signatures, put into bundles and put back into a ballot box which is sealed and then taken to the count, emptied ready for sorting out where the votes are put into the Yes/No piles. Another member of staff flicks through the papers to check that they are all indeed Yes or No votes again this can usually be witnessed by the activists present.
Another concern about these allegations is that the people who took part in the count are not happy about being accused of cheating. At least 45% of counters would have been Yes voters so to accuse them of cheating does not go down well so please stop doing all these petitions and posting all those videos.

[dell_xps]

Frankie40 you believe what you want to believe, whereas I'll believe what I want to believe. Just the same as you are entitled to vote NO, whereas I'm entitled to vote YES.
The Scottish people have been F*&ked over yet again, FACT, this is still very raw for some of us, so do us all a favour, and troll somewhere else.
A member since April 2013 and you have 5 posts ?

[frankie40]

5 or 5000 what does it matter? I know you're talking c**p. I've been at many counts. The people of Scotland voted No, get used to it