Tories would tighten benefit cap to fund apprenticeships

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The Conservatives would cap benefits further to fund three million apprenticeships if they win the general election, the prime minister has said.

David Cameron told the BBC's Andrew Marr show he wanted to "abolish" youth unemployment.

A Tory government would cut the maximum benefits a household can claim a year from ?26,000 to ?23,000, he said.

Unemployed 18 to 21-year olds would be given six months to find work or training.

Their jobseeker's allowance (JSA) payments would be withdrawn unless they agreed to take take part in "community projects" such as cleaning up local parks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29398907

[GastonJ]

Probably need the money and the apprenticeships and work will probably be in the armed forces as cannon fodder in Syria if Dave gets his way tbh. Slashing the budget for what? All I've seen the coalition do so far is take the money and pass it out to overpriced contracts for privatised services rather than paying off the debt.

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So how our children going to get pocket money to live normal life?? Our children are depressed most ended in mental hospital; if you are going to put them for apprenticeship then make them happy with some sort of hand over.

[gmb45]

apprenticeships are good as long as the companies dont take advantage of them for cheap labour, and there most be a job at the end for all the apprentices or whats the point, and they should be paid the minimum wage for that age group, oh wait all this looks brilliant on the unemployment figures, job or no job at the end.

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1, "Most unemployed 18 to 21-year-olds would also be prevented from claiming housing benefit in order to leave home under the Conservative proposals"

2, "Mr Cameron said the new rules would not apply to people with children, but was aimed at single young men and women so that they did not get trapped in "a life of dependency... that is no life at all".

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1, so basically you could be in a house where you are getting abused and cant leave because you cant claim housing benefit.

2, young girls still getting pregnant to get a house.


these tory basads live on a different planet, the sooner they are outed the better

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Still there has to be some kind of mechanism for young people not to be abused, most of them on drugs and prostitution when they have been refused money to live on, if we are going to get tough on them this could the end of our children getting on the employment that’s my thinking, and for the con they will be out next election.

[GastonJ]

Why does there have to be? I know there should be, any right minded person knows there should be, but you're talking about a political group (and I mean both Tories and Lib Dems) that harks back to Dickension times (both parties being in power during that time) where if you were poor you either lived in a workhouse or died. For the past 4 or so years both of those parties have made cuts and not worried about the implications on those less fortunate than themselves because those people wouldn't vote Tory or Liberal anyway, so it's not like they're going to lose voters of support - if anything it will appeal to those who don't actually give a flying ck, the "what's in it for me brigade", and would probably be voting UKIP or BNP if not for that anyway *shrug*

They'd sooner not pay off the debt and use the money saved by the cuts to give tax breaks and cheap houses for their voters just before the election, for those with memory loss.

Wouldn't look for any safety nets from either party. I'd hate to be young and starting out again.

[Kalipo]

Why do they have to punish the poor and always leave the rich?

I agree there has to be something done about people like whiteblack dee etc but there has to be some sort of failsafe to stop the vulnerable becoming victimised by the state!

I'm sick to death of hearing people say why should i work when i can get free money on benefits! or Working is a mugs game etc!

Tax the rich.. if they leave the UK so what.. someone else will fill the gap and capitalise on the situation

[GastonJ]

Well I was just about to hit the like for your post Kalipo, then I read it again and didn't like the last line

The workshy people (scroungers) you mention above are in the minority rather than the majority and yeah they should be kicked off benefits and made to live in shared housing with only food and housing provided if they work for it... might give them an incentive to not be lazy basseds ........ eh that's a workhouse, something wrong with that which I just wrote Anyway again it's the minority that abuse the system and yet the majority, who do want a job and earn their way, are punished because of the minority. That just seems sh*t to me.

Unless there are safety nets for people who are abused etc then the Tories may as well just be sentencing under 25's to the abuse since it will leave no means of escape.

[jaws2]

best send them ter China ter get an apprenticeship. more chance

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best send them ter China ter get an apprenticeship. more chance

You not reading the tabloid mate, it’s the Chinese come hear for apprenticeship they are able to pay the factory companies, all bulls most companies going in administration and some closing business they not able to pay because of the hirer taxes, etc.

[GastonJ]

some closing business they not able to pay because of the hirer taxes, etc.

Higher taxes??? Not sure which country you're in, but it's not the uk then? Tories don't raise taxes against companies, they lower it. What's killing a lot of companies is rises in costs despite the stupid way inflation is calculated and access to funds, be that because banks are making it more difficult to borrow or the interest rates are too stupid. Maybe the boe rate is .5% and the rate the banks pay to savers is a pittance, but the rate they're charging borrowers doesn't reflect that. Banks are still coining it in hand over fist.

[Snowy79]

The problem the UK has is it's been paying better benefits for those out of work than most other countries in Europe for so long it's become practically a human right. These benefits are paid from the workers and company taxes. The UK is no longer a major Exporter so most of the money is made from the service industry which tends to be low paid and low profit. Labour talk of bringing back the 50% tax rate when we've got Ireland a few miles away paying 33%. Watch how many companies jump ship to there if they get in power. Why do they think a load of Call Cenres and Banks moved overseas? Basically no benefit should put someone who has never worked in a position where a worker is worse off than them.

[gmb45]

ferk the tory scumbags pick on them that cant really fight back, i know who i will be voting for next elections.

[GastonJ]

The problem the UK has is it's been paying better benefits for those out of work than most other countries in Europe for so long it's become practically a human right. These benefits are paid from the workers and company taxes. The UK is no longer a major Exporter so most of the money is made from the service industry which tends to be low paid and low profit. Labour talk of bringing back the 50% tax rate when we've got Ireland a few miles away paying 33%. Watch how many companies jump ship to there if they get in power. Why do they think a load of Call Cenres and Banks moved overseas? Basically no benefit should put someone who has never worked in a position where a worker is worse off than them.

Well the way to claw your way out of a recession is to export to countries that want to buy your goods, only problem is that they were sold off in the 80's and 90's by those of so friendly Tories. We used to export coal, steel, gas, oil and even manufactured goods such as cars Oil companies were sold off, British gas was sold off, British Steel was sold off, hell I wouldn't be surprised if they had included "and the people of the UK into slavery" in there somewhere. We have nothing but services to sell now. Now a lot of the goods manufactured here are for foreign companies, such as Honda, Nissen, Ford etc who then take their profits abroad to spend them - and only manufacture here so they can avoid import tariffs for selling those goods to the EU. You also get companies like Starbucks, Apple and the like who "don't make a profit in the UK" (on paper due to creative methods of selling to their UK companies from other countries - where the profits go) and as a result don't pay taxes in the UK. Then you have chemical companies who do all the manufacturing in the UK of drugs ingredient - except the final product (when the tax is paid), they then export the almost finished drugs to say Switzerland to make the final product and it's there that they pay tax. I know a few that do that.

The problem with benefits in the UK is that the minority abuse the system and that minority are never weeded out - they should be.