Migrant numbers double in 30 years:

[cgscott]

WRONG! i actually favour british workers over migrants.
BUT what shall one do if the british workers dont want to work this job?

I'll work for you

WRONG! ALL workers english and migrants earn almost the same as per the hours they put in. The average income of all these workers before their expenses is about ?500 to ?1000 per week. If you think that is peanuts then so be it.


Not true we were time and half after 40. Co-Worker flat rate

WRONG! I dont produce anything, I provide a service

And the money from flat rate overtime pays for fuel.


I have worked 60/70hrs a week for less than the minimum wage!
(this was before the min wage came into force)

Yes you made a fortune after 40 hours.

WRONG! The average rate of earning for the workers is ?12.00ph

What do you do run a brothel that offers a taxi home?

YES my friend BUT they are "WORKING" for that money and NOT sponging off the state.
And that 3 familys you are talking about (3 couples)
Just because you share a house that dont mean you are going to share your money as well!


That is the reason why they share to live in comfort.

And yes i would happily spend 25 quid a week on rent maybe same on food and have the rest to myself.


Do you honestly think they as a couple would stay here and run a house on minimum wage??? You seemed to miss out the important parts of my post?

[badapple]

That is the reason why they share to live in comfort.

There is nothing stopping english workers in sharing and living in comfort.


And yes i would happily spend 25 quid a week on rent maybe same on food and have the rest to myself.

BUT you CAN do that. What is stopping you or others from doing this. If these people can do it, why cant you/others?

Do you honestly think they as a couple would stay here and run a house on minimum wage??? You seemed to miss out the important parts of my post?

No they probabilly would not be able to run a house on min wage, but then government help is available for living costs
(housing benefit, council tax benefit,working tax credits, child tax credits) all these benefits make a lot of difference to your weekly income.

Well from my experiance, the migrants ARE needed in the day to day running of this country. You need to look at the overall picture.
Unfortunately some english workers have the attitude that manual work is just not good enough for them unless it pays huge amount of money!

Its like now, this is a very busy period for my kind of business
(Taxi) and I have been advertising for drivers since mid september and I will tell you the honest truth, Ive had 4 english drivers apply and 22 migrants.(already licenced)

I took on three english drivers, they turned up for one shift and two did not return the nest day and the third lasted til the end of the week and left!(no reason given)
I also took on 5 migrant drivers and all five are still working!!!
TELL ME WHAT ELSE I SHOULD DO TO EMPLOY BRITISH BORN & BRED WORKERS?

[gmb45]

The simple fact is this country will NOT be able to survive without the migrant workers, the British born & breed dont want to work on hard, dirty, common jobs.

excuse me, i was traveling from nottingham to sleaford 70 miles each way for a year and a ~~~~ing half going out at 6am picking blokes up dropping em off at night i was lucky to get home before 7pm doing all the driving, working on a shite building site ( dont forget freezing your tits off in winter)
humping 3x2 slabs about and kerbs (which are heavy enough to kill a fcuking horse) and laying em on my own, up to your bollox in sludge, concrete, sitting on a dumper all day in the middle of winter moving crap about that cold u couldnt feel your hands a feet, all for ?70 a day 6 days a week before tax etc, i had to give it up in the end before it killed me, and u say us brits dont want hard dirty common jobs !!! , u make me piss theres millions of brits doing shite jobs for the national minimum wage all over the country,( ?6 odd an hour is a ~~~~ing joke ) i was earning ?500+ a week 25 years ago, wages have been getting less and less ever since, and why should we have to work over 40 hours a week to make a decent wage ? U WANT TO GET YOUR FCUKING FACTS RIGHT PAL, if it wasnt for these ~~~~ing migrant workers coming in to the country the wages would have to increase. theres more people in this country working for minimum wage than there are getting decent money."TELL ME WHAT ELSE I SHOULD DO TO EMPLOY BRITISH BORN & BRED WORKERS?" pay better wages for 40 hours m8, oh forgot connecting new homes up ro existing manholes which are being used, hows that for a shitty job then eh !! human excrement flowing through it while your tryin to work. u make me sick, brit workers wont do shitty jobs ive heard it all now.

[cgscott]

Think i made my point with the fuel comment.

My arse you pay 12 quid an hour mate. And you have actually stated a good point with being a taxi firm.

Most private hire firms here in edinburgh churn out POLISH drivers.

My polish neighbour has a Private hire taxi but is paid minimum wage.

Just proved my point.

No Radio fees etc just go out 10 hours a day at minimum wage empty the bag at the end and collect his wage.

I knew your business was no other than a taxi firm when i mentioned accident claims etc.

PS.. You are a bad apple.

[cgscott]

Unfortunately some english workers have the attitude that manual work is just not good enough for them unless it pays huge amount of money!

Where the hard graft in a taxi driver?

[chroma]

Heres a list of just a few shitty jobs ive done:

Residential care worker.
Wiping arses for minimum wage doesnt get much shittier than that. Breaking jaws on dead people to get the wallies back in before the undertaker got there and washing down dead and partialy dead people.
I can hire a Nigerian nurse with dubious documents for next to nothing, they dominate the sector. Right to the point even a resident commented "how come am always surrounded by these ****in nignogs?"

Smart pricer.
Stacking shelves in the frozen and chilled departments, freezing your bollocks off to barely make rent.

Brickies mate.
Humping bus tonnage of slab, concrete, steel and brick up multiple stories of a commercial build because the freight lift is out due to some dumbass pole who couldnt read english tinkering with shit he didnt understand.

Sparks mate.
This was actualy a cushie number, i only had to crawl ducting and run cable and attatch terminals. hardly a task, but it was work.

McDonnalds.
Sweating like **** over a grill all day for pittance. mickydees big macs consist of 15% brow sweat btw. i leaked all over that shit.

Sofa/window cleaner.
Scrapiing blood, sex juice and shite off sofas all day long loveley. freezing your tits off in winter cleaning windows, dangling from high rises with little in the way of safety gear.
Whenever the question about safety gear was raised the gaffer would respond "ye dont hear any o them ****in poles complainin, an thers hunners o them tae dae yer job son."

Industrial cleaner.
Minimum waging it cleaning out air handling units using stuff that ate through your gloves. This was a step up from scraping through pidgeon shit all day.

Telesales.
Stuck on your arse all day in an office full of muppets desperately trying to fill pointless quotas and meet even more inane targets.
service call? and the number.... force release.
service call? and the number.... force release.
service call? and the number.... force release.
service call? and the number.... force release.
servi? wait you want the number for the guardhouse at lossiemouth? checking... the numbers xxx xxxx xxxx xx... force release.
service call? and the number.... force release.
12 hrs a day 6 days a week, hardly glamourous.

I got my first job at age 11 shoveling shite all day at a local farm (much to my parents disaproval), ive worked shitty jobs all the way through school, college and university and put my entirety into every single one. I know more than most just how much of a cop out "brits dont want to do the work" is.
Employers dont want to pay the wages is far more apt.

Ive worked a LOT of voluntry jobs on top of all this usualy concurrently to pad out my CV so ive even worked for sweet **** all.

I'll frankly do absoloutly anything, and im absoloutly certain im not the only brit who will, i know im definately not "above it." sure ive got a decent education as have others but that never prevents anyone getting their hands dirty and graft to make the bills.

The fact is employers can lowball on wages because theres a wealth of foreign idiots willing to work for pittance in poor working conditions, so unless your willing to work for pittance and waive your right to health and safety at work too, your shit outa luck.
Dare and even begin to enquire about human rights or working conditions and your slung off site and replaced overnight by a flood of migrants just queuing up to tae your place.

[gmb45]

and migrants running about with no road tax on there death trap cars, and what about insurance, mot, driving licences bet they not checked when they come over here to work, just because they allowed to drive in their country, ~~~~ing joke.

[badapple]

@gmb45, I am not saying that "ALL" english people are like that as I am sure there are thousands and thousands of english people all over the country working like dogs just to make ends meet. I was just talking about my experiance in the taxi industry. I myself am at work upto 12/14hrs a day to keep the business running!

@cgscott

My arse you pay 12 quid an hour mate. And you have actually stated a good point with being a taxi firm.

The average earnings of drivers at the end of the week come to about ?12.00ph for 40hrs. 90% of my drivers are self employed and are not limited to the amount they can earn or work. The few drivers that are employed and drive the company car are paid ?8.70ph for 40hrs.


Most private hire firms here in edinburgh churn out POLISH drivers.

Well I have english, asian, polish, turkish and 2 french drivers in my fleet.

My polish neighbour has a Private hire taxi but is paid minimum wage.

My polish drivers earns upto ?12.00ph and company drivers are paid ?8.70ph.

Just proved my point.

what point?


No Radio fees etc just go out 10 hours a day at minimum wage empty the bag at the end and collect his wage.

I charge my drivers 20% commission on whatever they make. Most other companies in this area charge 23.5%

PS.. You are a bad apple.

Beleave me, i am not so bad!


@gmb45, and migrants running about with no road tax on there death trap cars, and what about insurance, mot, driving licences bet they not checked when they come over here to work, just because they allowed to drive in their country, ~~~~ing joke.

Well, I think that is a matter for the Police and DVLA.
Are you suggesting that there are no English people doing this?

I do not discriminate against any creed or colour and again I am talking from experiance, that in my type of job, if I had to employ/rely on english drivers ONLY, then my business would have been bankrupt and shut down years ago, and thats fact! This is due to not being able to recrute english drivers who are willing to work in this industry even though the money they can earn is quite good.

What is the choice for me as a business? Should I wait and employ english drivers only or employ anybody that is willing to work and keep my business running!

[radioham]

without the immigrants the British economy would collapses!
Who would do the dirty job?
I don't think any English person would!
before you vote bnp think twice!!
I don't see you to do the job of a waiter or barista, Kitchen porter or any job that involve hard work, long hours and low pay!!
would you?

How about starting with the layabouts and freeloaders????Cheers Chas.

[bobwill]

So how are immigrants able to survive on low wages and indigenous whites are not? Immigrants live in homes just like the rest of us, how can they manage and you can't?

A lot in my area are put up in caravans on site with employer not telling council and not paying council tax etc and you cant do maths or you would know that on minimum wage without help from the state you can not pay all the bills so as a large tax payer im paying again

[shellbob]

I believe we should work overtime out of choice and not out of necessity because of poor wages and a high cost of living.I also believe their is room in this country for genuine migrant workers,however most of these migrants do not spend their money in Britain except for basic living costs,they transfer most of their money out of the country so at the end of the day the economy doesnt benefit greatly.A cap needs to be put on the number of migrants allowed into the country for all our benefit and the illegals need to be sent back where they came from.

[Gumbo]

Because when you've got a party of 20 living on top of each other in a doss the rent is easily covered by each one pitching in 20 quid each.

The reason migrants can afford it is they have shitty living conditions which due to the body count turn out to be insanely cheap.

Unless you're rolling in it ask your parents what their living conditions were like in the 60's and 70's. My family of 6 lived in one rented room back then.

A firned of mine did exactly the same thing in london, he shifted down there as a labourer and wound up working well below minimum wage, living in a 4 bedroom flat with 17 other guys in exactly the same position.

Now hes tied down with a wife and ids back up here he couldnt afford to survive in the same conditions, a wife and an 8yrs old daughter shacked up in a 4 bedroom with 17 sweaty unkempt men doesnt sound like a good idea to me.

I had to work away from home for 3 years only visiting for a few weeks a year just so that I could save up enough money to put a deposit down on a house. I missed out on my children growing up and was lonely as **** but it was something I had to do in order to get further in life. Sometimes you just have to take shit in the medium term to have it better in the long term.

According to your logic indigenous Brits shouldn't have to work as hard as migrant workers as they're British, sounds just a tad daft mate. Remember that we're Europeans now competing for jobs with other Europeans, all this British worker vs Polish worker is yesterdays news.

[ianmac]

Places like Turkey have the right idea, you cannot work there unless you are Turkish.
And anyone out side Turkey can start a buisiness in Turkey, but you can only employ the Turkish people.

If we did that in England the unemployment would be solved & we would all be better off by not having to sub & house the migrants, as they would not want to come here anymore.

[chroma]

Unless you're rolling in it ask your parents what their living conditions were like in the 60's and 70's. My family of 6 lived in one rented room back then.



I had to work away from home for 3 years only visiting for a few weeks a year just so that I could save up enough money to put a deposit down on a house. I missed out on my children growing up and was lonely as **** but it was something I had to do in order to get further in life. Sometimes you just have to take shit in the medium term to have it better in the long term.

According to your logic indigenous Brits shouldn't have to work as hard as migrant workers as they're British, sounds just a tad daft mate. Remember that we're Europeans now competing for jobs with other Europeans, all this British worker vs Polish worker is yesterdays news.

It was never my intention to imply that brits should have to work less than anyone else, merely that EVERYONE should be able to work in acceptable conditions.

And i dont mean anything as lofty as sceduled breaks with tea and biscuits provided, im talking about basic essentials like health and safety equipment.

If im expected to dangle off a high rise cleaning a window, i feel its not too much to ask that im securely roped in, yet upon suggesting it ive been provided with the phrase "yer can **** off then mate, theres plenty of immygints to fill yer boots."
That situation is neither fair on me nor the "immygint" who proceeds me.

it plays of the fact that an immigrant, illegal or otherwise really doesnt want to rock the boat and is wide open to eploitation, the only feasible way to compete is to be open to exploitation yourself and that what im arguing against.

This situation would be fine if it was work done "off the books" for cash in hand, where the legalities are dubious to begin with.
Its not contained in these cases though, more and more employers skimp on basic essential government mandated rights for no other reason than it costs them less in overheads and they know immigrants will fill the quotas out of desperation.

If theres a maority workforce thats easily exploited then the rest have to be open to the very same exploitation or wind up in the job center signing on.

[bobwill]

the winners in the immigrants debate are the middle classes all government employees except manual workers,bad employers,management,so called professional people,most office workers,and the wealthy.these people have seen they wages under labour rise way above inflation and they have seen they food,building labour, cost ,and any manual work they have done have not gone up like there own wages
the losers are any manual trades from building workers,lorry drivers,farm workers,factory workers,etc and good employers who have been under cut by bad employers, most have seen there wages hardly improving,some are taking less than 5 years ago
while there rent and council tax have doubled under labour.
the biggest losers are the more uneducated who use to do the labouring jobs whose wages have hardly risen minumin wage 1999 was I think ?3.60 and after 10 years have gone up ?2.13 per hour if they can even get a job