France Starts Reporting ?Millions? of File-Sharers

[cunny]

This week the controversial French three-strikes anti-piracy law Hadopi went live. Copyright holders are currently in the process of sending out tens of thousands of IP-addresses of alleged infringers to Internet service providers, and this will increase to over a million in a few weeks. The ISPs have to hand over the identities of the associated accounts to the authorities within a week, or face a fine of 1500 euros per unidentified IP-address.

Under France?s new Hadopi law, alleged copyright infringers will be hunted down systematically in an attempt to decrease piracy. Alleged offenders have to be identified by their Internet providers and they will be reported to a judge once they have received three warnings.

A judge will then review the case and hand down any one of a range of penalties, from fines through to disconnecting the Internet connection of the infringer.

The French anti-piracy outfit Trident Media Guard has been chosen by the entertainment industry to monitor and report illegal uploaders in France. The company, known globally for its pollution of BitTorrent and other file-sharing networks with fake data, recently started tracking down thousands of illicit file-sharers.

According to a report from PCINpact one of the major ISPs confirmed that the first batch of IP-addresses was submitted just a few days ago. This is the final step before alleged file-sharers receive warning letters.

France Starts Reporting ‘Millions’ of File-Sharers | TorrentFreak

[chroma]

Begin the countdown to bancrupt ISP's

If i got a few thousand IP requests to finish in a week id be up shit creek, especialy with the ?1500 pricetag for each one i didnt get through.

[Meat-Head]

GIOOD point, but then again, sake of argument you could set up a server
that picks up stuff mentioned in searches.

So is that 3 strikes per year, or what?

do you dl a ton of stuff in a day, nothing for a month?
or
what

[masur123]

BBC News - France acts against net pirates

Looks like the first few are due in court

[TheCoder]

Begin the countdown to bancrupt ISP's

If i got a few thousand IP requests to finish in a week id be up shit creek, especialy with the ?1500 pricetag for each one i didnt get through.

With the systems that ISP's use it would be the work of seconds to do a few thousand lookups assuming that the IP's to be checked are supplied in electronic form (which they almost certainly will be). Remember that pretty much all EU based ISP's must maintain logs of all IP allocations to accounts for a 4 year period.

[TheCoder]

...So is that 3 strikes per year, or what?

3 strikes is 3 strikes - no time limits !

Its based on a similarly named US law system used in several states where persons can be jailed for life or very long terms on the 3rd transgression, pretty much regardless of the crime.

[Meat-Head]

Remember that pretty much all EU based ISP's must maintain logs of all IP allocations to accounts for a 4 year period.

So what your saying is ALL our internet history is logged for 4 years?

[TheCoder]

So what your saying is ALL our internet history is logged for 4 years?

No, what i'm saying is that every time you get assigned an IP address by your ISP that allocation is logged. In this way the ISP should be able to work out which user account has leased an IP at any particular time. The ISP's cannot (or should not) log your actual internet history as that could be considered as unlawful interception of communications - this was part of the problem with the abortive 'phorm' project.

For the EU, these allocation records are required to be kept for a period of four years by all ISP's. I believe its a similar period in the US and Australia.

[Meat-Head]

No, what i'm saying is that every time you get assigned an IP address by your ISP that allocation is logged. In this way the ISP should be able to work out which user account has leased an IP at any particular time. .

so 'Bob' his ip address is 192.88.36 say - he is fat and unemplyoed
and downloads all day and night, everything and everything

then

'Alice' her ip address is 921.66.63 she is a lumber jack, works all day
and sleeps all night, just does shopping at Tesco.com at weekends

'What' (make something up) does this data look like?

Thanks

Meat

[johnboy1974]

Well i suppose it had to happen and maybe it will happen here too, as we have been getting away with murder.

[TheCoder]

so 'Bob' his ip address is 192.88.36 say - he is fat and unemplyoed
and downloads all day and night, everything and everything

then

'Alice' her ip address is 921.66.63 she is a lumber jack, works all day
and sleeps all night, just does shopping at Tesco.com at weekends

'What' (make something up) does this data look like?

Thanks

Meat

The log would simply look something like -

06 Oct 2011 20:05:10 User: Bob Allocated IP 192.88.36 
...
...
06 Oct 2011 20:06:23 User: Alice Allocated IP 921.66.63 
...
...
...
06 Oct 2011 21:14:38 User: Bob IP 192.88.36 de-allocated
...
...
06 Oct 2011 20:16:03 User: Alice IP 921.66.63 de-allocated
...

So, looking at the log its easy to see that bob had the IP address 192.88.36 alloacted between 20:05:10 & 21:14:38 on 06 Oct 2011

Its really a very simple log but the law presently compells all EU based ISP's to generate and keep that data for a period of 4 years.

Whether they are fat, unemployed download all night or shop at tesco has absolutely nothing to do with this log - its irrelevant.

btw, your pretend IP addresses are a bit screwed - they should have four numeric parts, not 3 and each part should be 0-255 only

[Meat-Head]

The log would simply look something like -

COOL thanks, so the server "www . movies r us . con"
has a copy of "Debby Does Dallas" and "Behind The Green Door"

This file was downloaded at October 6 20:10 - by ip 192.88.36
so there fore the fuzz go kick Bobs door in.

thanks

[TheCoder]

COOL thanks, so the server "www . movies r us . con"
has a copy of "Debby Does Dallas" and "Behind The Green Door"

This file was downloaded at October 6 20:10 - by ip 192.88.36
so there fore the fuzz go kick Bobs door in.

yep, thats pretty much the way of it !

For p2p/torrent type stuff, there's also the problem that a downloader also uploads, so actively invites other clients to connect to his IP address. The movie/record industry routinely collect these advertised addresses and then force the ISP's into giving them the relevant IP user data so they can persue prosecutions.

[Canker_Canison]

Just don't use your own internet connection.

Pay a smack-rat to supply you with network keys from all the houses in your immediate area, while they are out swiping xbox's & ipods.

Let someone else take the rap

[TheCoder]

...Let someone else take the rap

If people really are willing to get others into bother for the sake of a few dodgy downloads then its a very sad state of affairs, especially when a little knowledge can avoid anybody getting into trouble.