BENEFITS SCROUNGERS WARNED: HAVE FEWER KIDS OR LOSE YOUR DOLE

[maca]

yea just going like germany did 70 years ago the police force is now an elite force you dont get charged for shooting people now how many time we seen it on the news and its usually they shot themselves yea I belive that.

no they dont get charged for shooting mindless ~~~~in idiots like raul moat the *****.....

[Lainie]

Can't say I've got any objection to people having as many children as they like........

if they can support them not a problem.

take child tax credit away. expand working tax credit to everyone. stop immigration for those with more than 2 kids (the country is in a bad enough state), ban immigration for those that cant speak english, dont let people leave school till they have a certificate to prove they CAN read and right. (id keep them there to make them blood learn) - far too many say they are dyslexic, got adhd (bring back national service for them and teach them disipline) and if they say they have behavioural problems and cant work then thats their choice. dont pay them to sit on their arse doing nowt.


i have several medical conditions that restrict the kind of work i can do but it does not STOP me from working.

the current system is so widely abused its unbelievable. they go on jsa then after 6 or 12 months they have to go on the pathways to work programme. they do that for a couple of weeks then all of a sudden they are too ill to go and then claim esa. they get sent for their med for that after a few months and get declared as having some capacity to work. so they then claim jsa and the circle starts all over again and continues like that for yrs and yrs.

[bonus2010]

@Lainie

I've got a really good book for you to read, by James Bartholomew, 'The Welfare State We're In". It was written about 2002.

I don't agree with everything Bartholemew said but, it will bring you a lot closer to the reality of welfare, than
you will ever find by listening to the rhetoric given by hypocritical politicians and the media.

I respect DK members who have highlighted articles in the press relating to families claiming welfare, who have brought them to
DK for our attention, and to discuss on our forum.

My own view is, that it is not the families that claim benefits that should be blamed, it is the government for putting them in
that situation.

It is the government to where dissatisfaction should be expressed to and not towards the benefit claimants.

The government over the last thirty years has abused and corrupted the welfare benefits system in order to pump money into the lower
end of the economy to benefit their friends in business. A long way from the original concept founded by William Beveridge,
which was to help the unemployed and the sick in their hour of need.

Here's some questions for you to consider:-

(1) Just how much do you believe employers have benefited from having their employees wages subsidised through
tax credits? (I'm not speaking about unemployed people here....)

(2) Just how much have motor manufacturers and dealers benefited through new car sales through the benefits system?
(I'm speaking about the motability scheme, new car every 3 years)
When that wasn't enough, the scrappage scheme was introduced!

(3) How much have private business such as A4E, benefited through public sector contracts to help the unemployed back into work?
(They are paid ?100 per week to have a client sit in a classroom creating a CV or reading the newspaper, and drinking coffee)
(I'd say it was exploiting the unemployed)

(4) How well have public sector employees in Jobcentre Plus benefited?

(5) How well have private landlords benefited through housing benefit?
(Amounting to a blank cheque. One landlord was reported as receiving ?1,000 per week for a families accommodation)

The list goes on..............

For all members on DK, have consideration of what I have said. You may help by reporting your feelings to
your MP, but remember one thing: benefit claimants didn't make the rules - THE POLITICIANS and GOVERNENT DID!

Who Voted In the Government over the last 30 years? ..............(ANSWER) The British Electorate

Thank you for listening.

Oh, BTW.. I've got a solution for full employment in the UK, but do you think politicians would listen? You've got it, NO!

[RSwire]

Make them get serilized to keep their "handouts" after a kid or two( not a football team).

[gmb45]

quality, some top rants going on in here and i see chroma is back to his old self, the coont was down for a while there was nowt to rant about, welcome back chroma

[super jumbe]

Look if I was head of the UN I would make our world one state no passport no visa no fighting for religions or countries and no money for unemployed now how does that sound?

[maca]

Look if I was head of the UN I would make our world one state no passport no visa no fighting for religions or countries and no money for unemployed now how does that sound?

no money for the unemployed....get real
there are genuine people out there who are a actually looking for work so to tar everyone with the same brush is wrong imo..

[chroma]

My own view is, that it is not the families that claim benefits that should be blamed, it is the government for putting them in
that situation.

It is the government to where dissatisfaction should be expressed to and not towards the benefit claimants.

This is akin to blaming the loaded gun rather than the man wielding it.
People have a CHOICE, and with choices comes the responsibility for those choices.

I fail to see where choosing to have several kids whilst being unemployed is the responsibility of the government. They most certainly did not get anyone pregnant numerous times.

Sure the system isnt perfect and theres clear areas that are wide open to abuse, but is it a shop owners fault that whilst his back was turned you decided to extract funds from the till?

Absoloutly not, you had a choice there whether to steal easy money or go out and earn it, you chose the latter, the responsibility for the choice lies at your feet not at the governments for not adding more security to an unattended cash register.

By your own logic i should be blaming everyone else for an individuals choices and letting them off the hook.
Its not a junkies fault they would do anything for their next fix its the "systems."

Whilst i agree with a vast bulk of your post regarding how policcies are created, it entirely sidesteps the issue of personal responsibility.
Theres no gun at a persons head to go out and begin filing a claim for benifits.
In fact i would do just about any job to avoid placing myself in that position. Understanding full well that having to rely on the sweat of anothers brow for my personal survival is a shameful existence.

Therein lies the difference, im able to take personal responsibility for my actions, Im aware and proud of the fact that in my country theres a wellfare system to FALL BACK on should things go badly wrong for an extended period, but its just that, a temporary contingency plan. Not a lifelong means of sustinance.

These parasites whom see it as a lifestyle are a pox on our country, a blight, and i cant for one second, in good concience, blame a government elected by the people as being responsible for these parasites actions. No more than i can blame a shopkeeper from turning his back for a second, or a loaded gun for murdering people.
Tools are tools, its how people choose to utilise them thats the issue, not the other way around.
Its entirely that kind of backward logic, defering an individuals responsibility that allows this injustice to continue. So long as people actively believe that "its not their fault" then they're free to perpetrate the same mistakes.

ITS ENTIRELY THEIR OWN FAULT!
Passing the buck and making excuses only exacerbates the problem.
Untill people realise that the way they live is shameful no positive change will be made.

[Meat-Head]

no money for unemployed now how does that sound?

fat unemployed people yes. People that are looking for work - no

[super jumbe]

All the people in Africa and Asia are not getting paid dole money from the Gov they still alive so how real I should get, If we overfeed the unemployed they are not going to go out looking for work our Gov must put pressure on them.

[bonus2010]

@chroma

Agreed, there should be responsibilities on all sides. However, where should the buck stop?
If it's not the government, then where? When it has been clearly evident for the last
thirty years that the benefit system has been abused, and government has done absolutely
nothing to moderate.

All of a sudden there's an economic crisis, and the government start blaming benefit
claimants whether it be single mothers, larger families, the disabled, then pensioners
for living too long etc.....

I heard that new mothers on income support were receiving ?1,000 for a new born, if this is
not encouragement what is? Let's be honest, most of whom hadn't seen a ?1,000. New bank accounts
opened for the baby too.. I also just learnt that the mothers receive child benefit until the
baby is 18...

Sorry mate, in recognition that some of my statements - possibly not the best choice..

Appreciate your comments though.....

[chroma]

I see the government singling out claimants as a positive though.
It's a clear step in the right direction.
Theres only so much in the pot to get cut back on and id rather it was some layabout taking the hit than my childs education or healthcare system.

As for the economic crisis, that has several roots, no least of which lays in the western culture.
The last government thought we could spend our way out of the problem, effectively borrow our way out of debt.
Taking Keynsian theory completely out of context.

The concept is simple, by investing in infrastructure and reducing interest rates you increase income into the economy by stimulating production and generating more investment which causes a cascade effect which supports itself.

You'll notice production is in bold text, this is where the entire concept broke down.
What do we as British citizens actualy produce?
Next to nothing to be honest, in days gone by we produced a hell of a lot, coal, oil, steel, basic raw ingredients to export.
Higher up the chain we also manufactured cars, aircraft, ships, weapons, technology.

Nowadays we dont produce nearly as much, most UK jobs are either in the financial sectors, service industries and tourist trades. Our entire GDP is skewed towards financial "products" rather on production.
What we as a culture consume is no longer natively produced and instead based on imports which takes money out of the system.

The gross domestic product of a country can be expressed as:
GDP = (exports - imports) + government spending + investment + consumption

We import way more than we export placing the first category in a massive deficit.
Government spending is also rampant adding another deficit to the equation.
Investment is fairly low at the moment and consumption is through the roof, from people thinking they can borrow their way out of the hole.
You can do that only with adequate investment in production, which is where britain as a whole fails hard.

The easiest way out of the hole is to build up a workforce and produce items to export whilst cutting back on government spending.

Workshy layabouts contribute to all these problems, they dont produce anything, what they do consume is generaly imported and they cost massive ammounts in government spending.

So in effect they take money out of our economy and pump it into another contries, contributing to the downward spiral.

Do policies need to change? Absoloutly.
The main problem is competing for investment with other nations, why invest in a nation of "why should i do a job for minimum wage when i would be better off just having kids and sitting on my ass" when China for instance is willing to put in the workforce to produce?

Making sure these layabouts are not better off than going out and busting their ass for a living like everyone else is definately a positive in my eyes.

The interest ALONE is an eyewatering -?43billion a year, the actual debt is closer to ?1100billion that we as a nation have no choice but to repay, and with out GDP currently plummeting we can barely afford the interest let alone make any actual repayment.

The only way out is through hard work for shit pay in order to compete with other nations that do exactly that, Britains attitude of "im too good for that" will only wind up killing us.
Getting people up off their arses should be a major priority in this country.

[koppit]

we should all wear black uniforms and grow little taches and then put the scroungers on trains to work camps in poland.make sure they have a nice long shower and bobs your uncle.only problem is who will be next on the list for the tories to deflect your attention away from the 5% who've got 95% of the countries dough