are these footballers worth it?!

[Shady]

it all boils down to jealousy.. nobody has answered why nobody ever questions movie stars wages, or pop stars wages..
Any business pays a proportion of money made by a worker in wages.. its the same for football clubs. player A makes x amount in increased ticket revenue, shirt sales, etc for the club and they are paid a proportion of that in wages.
the people who moan at footballers wages are jealous that a; they can not earn the same amount from any talent they may have.. or b: nobody wants to see them utilise that talent.

[kianniamh]

it all boils down to jealousy.. nobody has answered why nobody ever questions movie stars wages, or pop stars wages..
Any business pays a proportion of money made by a worker in wages.. its the same for football clubs. player A makes x amount in increased ticket revenue, shirt sales, etc for the club and they are paid a proportion of that in wages.
the people who moan at footballers wages are jealous that a; they can not earn the same amount from any talent they may have.. or b: nobody wants to see them utilise that talent.

Think it boils down more to fairness. I think a scientist or doctor are far more talented than Mr Average at Rock Bottom FC but do they get paid a fair amount for their craft?

[Shady]

Think it boils down more to fairness. I think a scientist or doctor are far more talented than Mr Average at Rock Bottom FC but do they get paid a fair amount for their craft?

And whose fault is that? Mr averages? Football is an easy target, and the bandwagon for harping on about how much they get paid always has room for one more

Sent from my Motorola Colorado using magic.

[lamppost]

i think footballer have a short career they can get injured while their lifestyle is based on high spending.
some will be made to work for small fees when their career is over.

[tshirtman]

nobody has answered why nobody ever questions movie stars wages, or pop stars wages..

because pop/movie stars are entertainers and produce a product,
footballers are sportsmen, you can't compare the two.

[kianniamh]

because pop/movie stars are entertainers and produce a product,
footballers are sportsmen, you can't compare the two.

You do know Mr Shady will just say footballers do entertain and their product is winning football matches.

[thered]

How did the clubs become so profitable compared to the 70's and 80's?

How much do they charge for a ticket now?

That is primarily how they became richer, then the premier league tv money went mental and the clubs all got very rich.

With that extra wealth they started to have more power in the transfer market......

If the player they wanted was in talks with other clubs....how could they get him?

Offer him higher wages?

Thats how it started

thanks sherlock for your deduction

but clubs in general make losses aside from arsenal

yes they are that profitable there is only really arsenal who dont make losses


rangers gone bust leeds gone bust portsmouth gone bust chelsea were gone till abramovich took over liverpool were saved by fenway sports man utd ****ed by debt city lose millions every year

[Foodisnummy]

If a market values something at "x" - that's really the end of it.

FFP should put wages in balance and move the power away from players demanding way above the odds. This will control the market somewhat as the supply simply won't be able to match the demand.

[slippy05]

thanks sherlock for your deduction

but clubs in general make losses aside from arsenal

yes they are that profitable there is only really arsenal who dont make losses


rangers gone bust leeds gone bust portsmouth gone bust chelsea were gone till abramovich took over liverpool were saved by fenway sports man utd ****ed by debt city lose millions every year

sherlock?! what on earth are you talking about?

why do you think clubs make losses?

seriously.....think about it

[johnboy1974]

You do know Mr Shady will just say footballers do entertain and their product is winning football matches.

If football players pay was performance related then most would get **** all.
If you take an actor like say brad pitt or clint Eastwood then their movies will sell and pay for themselves just because of the star billing of the actor.

[thered]

sherlock?! what on earth are you talking about?

why do you think clubs make losses?

seriously.....think about it

make your mind up you were saying they are all profitable



"Originally Posted by slippy05
How did the clubs become so profitable compared to the 70's and 80's?

How much do they charge for a ticket now?

That is primarily how they became richer, then the premier league tv money went mental and the clubs all got very rich."

[slippy05]

You didnt answer the question

Why do you think clubs make losses?

Because you are in capable of answering a direct question, i will do it myself......

The clubs make losses because the biggest expenditure they have is players wages

Why are the wages so high?

Because the clubs fans always want the club to aim higher and go for the best players.

So even the smaller clubs started to blow all the TV money on players wages to try and attract better players to keep the fans happy and aim higher

Then with inflation ticket prices rose so the clubs made even more, but the agents and players knew this and they just asked for more......so it went up and up

And now the bubble has burst

Its a mixture of greed from everybody's part as to why wages have gone so high

[thered]

You didnt answer the question

Why do you think clubs make losses?

Because you are in capable of answering a direct question, i will do it myself......

The clubs make losses because the biggest expenditure they have is players wages

Why are the wages so high?

Because the clubs fans always want the club to aim higher and go for the best players.

So even the smaller clubs started to blow all the TV money on players wages to try and attract better players to keep the fans happy and aim higher

Then with inflation ticket prices rose so the clubs made even more, but the agents and players knew this and they just asked for more......so it went up and up

And now the bubble has burst

Its a mixture of greed from everybody's part as to why wages have gone so high

direct question??

read my first post in the thread

Football is a sport and the idea is to win

Players prices and wages are market driven

Clubs would love to give players ?2000 a week

But in sport you need to win best players are a must so the clubs compete for players this inflates price

Players like all employees want the best pay they can find some clubs will pay whatever it takes to get the them crippling themselves with enough debt to go bust

the fans demand success and without fans there are no clubs.


Players have the power these days since Bosman a slave trade it is definately not a ?100,000 a week 5 year deal means nothing after 3 when there agents start bribing the club and its fans by holding it to ransom forcing it to either stump up more cash or i will leave for free

Ultimately its the fans who have to stump up more money or watch their prize assets disappear.

Ask a fan what they want cheaper seats ? or winning trophies ?

you cant have both

Unless..........


All transfers and wages are capped in every country at the same level to give an even playing field

but they would find a way around it

Like giving there wives ?5000000 a year to sit on the board or model the new kit

why would i need to answer what i already said in earlier post

[slippy05]

I havent made a single reply to you in this thread until you came out with your sherlock comment and felt the need to try and jump on one of my posts

Yet it seems we both were saying the samething anyway

So what are you talking about?

[Hoppy01]

Its all down to the people and what drives a market, there are exceptions where billionaires want a new toy to play with and will throw endless cash at to satisfy their stupid egos but i would never blame anyone for taking cash from them.
Would you refuse millions for kicking a ball full of air, of course you wouldn't but it will have long term effects, it nearly crippled the Italian league many years ago.

There is no doubt that its changing the game from a moral view but sadly that's the world we live in and people's natural response is resentment.
Up here people like Jinky and Davie Cooper were loved for different reasons, the jersey is all that mattered in a time when football was a working man's game.
When business takes over then success is driven by sponsors who make billions by selling average products using players as advertising boards.
Lets face it, how often do you see Nike sponsoring Stirling Albions new striker..

Am not up to scratch with football but i know with other sports charity does play a major role.
With golf and F1 charity is well promoted, Michael Schumacher has donated millions of his personal wealth as has F1 in general with endless fund raising events.
Golf is very similar with countless charity events, using its stars as figureheads..
A don't see that too often in football though, a might be mistaken there as i am not up to date with football..