Manchester United Thread

[Bulld0g]

Well i'll leave you in cloud cuckoo land with your embarrassing summary of great managers if that's what you really believe.

[Walkinmyshadow]

Well i'll leave you in cloud cuckoo land with your embarrassing summary of great managers if that's what you really believe.

Everyone in the world outside of Liverpool knows that Sir Alex is the greatest football manager of all time..

And that will do me

[Bulld0g]

Or more precisely everyone in your head thinks it. The reality on the other hand is there for all to see.

[Walkinmyshadow]

Naah m8.. The reality is, If lfc had acquired the services of Sir Alex you'd be sitting on -30+ titles now.

[Bulld0g]

You could well be right. I never disputed Ferguson was a great manager, just not the greatest. The facts are there to see. Unless like you, you choose to ignore the achievements of The great Liverpool managers and choose to try and slur them instead.

[redtide11]

Like I said as long as our arses have holes
I think just for longevity, consistent success and also an ability to not just move with the times but to also create new ideas to keep at the top Ferguson is the master. His trophy record is unrivalled domestically and but for arguable the best club side ever assembled (current barca) then undoubtedly his European record would look a little more polished.
For me it's Sir Alex for anyone inside Liverpool it will be Paisley or Shankly and for pillapow it will be Kenny
Each to their own

[thered]

So you think my reckoning is based on how many trophies you can win in the shortest time? No i'm basing it on the fact that Paisley won three European cups and six Titles i never even included the Uefa cup or the three League cups. Who shoud get the credit, Shankly?
Walkinmyshadow reckons he was running scared after taking us from the second division to the brink of the greatest team in Europe.
The reason the argument goes on is because it's not cut and dried as to who was\is the greatest. And untill Ferguson equalls or betters it, it never will.

and even if he did Bob won his in nine years

i was basing on the fact that you mentioned paisley only took nine years to achieve it all

yes true but what is also fact is he inherited a lot of it the start was created by shanks

also the fact he has done ~~~~ all else in football of note still makes fergie no 1

more trophies than anyone nuff said paisley 9 years whatever done ~~~~ all for the other 30

[Bulld0g]

He only managed for 9 years and was coach for the previous 30 odd years so he never inherited anything he helped build it.

[Walkinmyshadow]

You could well be right. I never disputed Ferguson was a great manager, just not the greatest. The facts are there to see. Unless like you, you choose to ignore the achievements of The great Liverpool managers and choose to try and slur them instead.

Slur them??..
Review my posts m8, i have the greatest respect for both Shankly and Paisley..
Unlike lfc fans who refer to Sir Alex in all sorts of name calling.
However as much as i admire Shanks and Paisley, They did a fantastic job in the years that they were in the hot seat.,,
Still i dont think they match up to Sir Alex,
The reason....Continuity, And not only has he a shed load of trophies, he has built an empire.. and empire that wont crumble.

[Bulld0g]

So Kenny is the only player manager to have won the double and probably ever will, but he Inherited the team from Fagan but Fagan won the treble but that's no big deal because he inherited his team from Paisley who despite the fact he was by far and away the most successful manager in the history of the English game was only successful because he inherited the team from Shankly . So for 50 years we had four managers who inherited squads from their predecessors and kept Liverpool at the top

[Bulld0g]

Slur them??..
Review my posts m8, i have the greatest respect for both Shankly and Paisley..
Unlike lfc fans who refer to Sir Alex in all sorts of name calling.
However as much as i admire Shanks and Paisley, They did a fantastic job in the years that they were in the hot seat.,,
Still i dont think they match up to Sir Alex,
The reason....Continuity, And not only has he a shed load of trophies, he has built an empire.. and empire that wont crumble.

If saying they packed in because they were scared men isn't a slur then i don't know what is.

[Walkinmyshadow]

So for 50 years we had four managers who inherited squads from their predecessors and kept Liverpool at the top

50 years!!
Where have you been for the last 22 years.
Rafa came close(ish).. That has pretty much been it.

[Walkinmyshadow]

If saying they packed in because they were scared men isn't a slur then i don't know what is.

Jesus christ m8.. where do i say that they were scared??
If your going to quote me, please quote verbatim.

[thered]

we will never agree but look at it like this

from wiki

He has won 48 trophies as a manager, making him the most successful British football manager in history.[97]

St. Mirren
Scottish First Division (1): 1976?77
Aberdeen
Scottish Premier Division (3): 1979?80, 1983?84, 1984?85
Scottish Cup (4): 1981?82, 1982?83, 1983?84, 1985?86
Scottish League Cup (1): 1985?86
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1982?83
UEFA Super Cup (1): 1983
Manchester United[98]
Premier League (12): 1992?93, 1993?94, 1995?96, 1996?97, 1998?99, 1999?2000, 2000?01, 2002?03, 2006?07, 2007?08, 2008?09, 2010?11
FA Cup (5): 1989?90, 1993?94, 1995?96, 1998?99, 2003?04
League Cup (4): 1991?92, 2005?06, 2008?09, 2009?10
FA Charity/Community Shield (10): 1990 (shared), 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011
UEFA Champions League (2): 1998?99, 2007?08
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1990?91
UEFA Super Cup (1): 1991
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1999
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

and still on the hunt


and compare (more of a note than a list)


Manager
Liverpool
First Division
Champions: 1975?76, 1976?77, 1978?79, 1979?80, 1981?82, 1982?83
European Cup
Winners: 1977, 1978, 1981
UEFA Cup
Winners: 1976
Football League Cup
Winners: 1981, 1982, 1983
European Super Cup
Winners: 1977
FA Charity Shield
Winners: 1974, 1976, 1979, 1980, 1982
Shared: 1977




2 records 2 careers no comparison



if it come to a swap do you think paisley would keep his lot against fergies i doubt it m8

[redtide11]

So Kenny is the only player manager to have won the double and probably ever will, but he Inherited the team from Fagan but Fagan won the treble but that's no big deal because he inherited his team from Paisley who despite the fact he was by far and away the most successful manager in the history of the English game was only successful because he inherited the team from Shankly . So for 50 years we had four managers who inherited squads from their predecessors and kept Liverpool at the top

And Manchester United have had just one who propelled them to the top knocking you off it in the process. He then continued to keep them at the top for 20 odd years beating down opposition from the richest men in the World and continues to hound the tales off a oil rich billionaires squad whilst paying back some yanks 600 million pounds debt
Who knows maybe one of Paisley or Shanks could manage the same but it is to date the greatest feat any manager has ever has achieved.