freemasons taking over the world

[racin-snake]

if what your saying is correct
then your belief system is built from the same dodgy books an so on
clearly you do not question what's been told to you
mores the pity
a book is a book deduction is left to the reader not the author
many truths you assume are not based on facts
but conceived theories or something a bit less benign
if you are happy to follow the facts your provided with without question why waste time looking on this thread ?
there's more of the truth in that statement if you like to think
by nature your mind is an amazing tool if then after looking at the evidence you see true or false you can then make a justification
till then ?

if you were accused of something .and you were not allowed to represent the facts or the facts you gave were dismissed and ridiculed
would you complain ?
i would ..so why not look at these paranoid and insomniacs drivel to make sure the facts are as you deem yours to be
beyond a reasonable doubt then make up your mind
deny after you see the facts and or drivel as you call it
then in conviction and conscience you will have made YOUR conclusion
just as an experiment if not to enlighten yourself ?
and father son or peers have nothing to do with belief of the facts
my father was a bus driver ime a mechanic my brothers and sisters are all doing different jobs
does not rely on what your parents are
if your suggesting follow everything your parents or grandfather have told you ?
then my friend WHO ARE THE SHEEP ?

[z786]

look, youve scared them away now
now they gota learn this new thing called free thinking

[racin-snake]

It does indeed, but I don't think that reality counts for much in his universe.

"Freudian slip?"
my fiend you have just hit the jackpot
your concept of reality is blinkered so you see a
reality is what exactly what you think and what you deem to be real
your concept of reality is a concept nothing more than a belief system if you are to blinkered to go find the facts or at least look at the evidence
then what should be said except
my condolences........

[chroma]

it took you 2 visits n 3 hours to come up with all that

Yes, should this be a problem? i like to think before i speak, reflect on whats been said and put aside any anger, taking a break generaly helps clear ones head and helps gain perspective on a problem, measure twice cut once sort of deal.

im not gna show you nay more proofs as your no doubt going to ignore them and drivel on about something else
i can systematically break down evidence and present it here but talking to walls isnt my hobby

you've yet to show any kind of proof outside a few doctored clips and the usual Arrivals nonsense, for someone who claims to be open minded you certainly cant see past it.

just a side note, watch this, it might help you figure out why your 15 yr cousin got pregnant

YouTube - ‪The Arrival part 3 children mind control‬‎

For a movie that screams about subliminal messeges, indoctrination through hypnosis and the like, have you ever noticed that theres an ever present ambient music track in the background, that the voices are always pitched at a certain level and that theres no real excitement or change? The entire thing seems designed to move you from a normal active beta state into a nice relaxed, pliable and receptive low alpha to theta state where the brain no longer actively questions but merely accepts what its presented.

Then again i doubt you've ever really questioned why the ambient is there or why your being told things in a very specific and controlled manner, not to mention the secrecy involved with its production, who exactly is responsable for the arrivals? what credentials do they hold? why do they insist on anonimity and psudonyms? Clearly a source that can be trusted, i mean youve clearly illustrated you have no issue with secrets.

Not to mention that Obamas a mason one minuite a devil worshiper the next and a member of bilderberg whilst being active with the illuminati, all the while being an avid member of the priory of scion and partying down with his mafioso chums at a skull and bones gathering...
Cant really seem to pick a target and stick to it can it?
I mean theres only so many days in a week and he clearly has other work like running a country and visiting dignitaries to get in the way of him attending all these members only clubs.

how then would you disprove the evidence ? by staying silent

Seemed to get John Bodkin Adams (the original oldschool Shipman) off with being a serial killer, i can think of less effective methods of defence.
Dont worry though John got what was comming to him in subsequent trials for other deeds, mainly forgery.

Like i said there is absoloutly no need for a defendant to produce evidence, you can get away with murder by keeping silent or discrediting the prosecutions evidence.

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also a 33rd degree mason is as you have said no different to yourself ?
then why is the honour bestowed in America ?

A 33 degree mason (or Inspector General if you prefer) is held as no different than a Master Mason.

The ranking works out as
1:Entered Apprentice
2:Journeyman or Fellowcraft
3:Master Mason.

And thats it, you obtain your master mason degree and your as high as you can go rank wise, the other degrees dont place you "above" the rank of an MM but place you along side him.
The best way to think about it is that the first three are degrees of trust, the others are degrees of learning, whereby you've proven a competence in some ritual or deed.
Sounds nuts but there you have it, a person holding an 18th degree should be able to recite more lines from memory than a person holding 6th degree, this doesnt make an 18th more powerful than a 6th or MM.

The reason its done in america is exactly the same reason as a regular McDonnalds coke is a gallon instead of a pint, that a small car has a 3l V12 twin turbo engine and gets 1.5miles to the gallon, that they have the highers ratio of breast implants and that they have the biggest donut in the world, because they're American and bigger numbers fit in with their egotistical hero complexes.
Like i mentioned before its merely fluff, theres absoloutly nothing preventing your common garden Master Mason from being able to recite just as many lines from an obscure text as a 33rd degree.

is this then a different faction to the Scottish rite?

Like i said initialy the Scottish Rite is (paradoxicaly) an American thing, its not recognised by either the Scottish or English Grand Lodge, the entire reason that its termed the Scottish Rite is down again to american ideals, they only have 234 years on their calandar and for somereason feel that calling it by that name gives it a sense of prestige, all very American.

as if i were unwell i would go to a doctor a qualified one not one bestowed by a title that was unrecognised?

Going by this analogy, a Master Mason is a qualified physician with his degree placed on his wall, an "Inspector General" is a qualified physician with an american accent and one of those "investors in people" plaques sitting beside it his desk would also have trinkets like a newtons cradle and gyroscope. Just more fluff that looks very nice but has no real impact on his ability to treat your ailment.

as for saying "you need a handshake wherever you go" where did i say that?
mmmm.....?

you didnt, it was supposed to be directed at z768.

All ive done is provide you with a rough outline of how freemasonry works, told you up front that the only parts we keep secret are our methods of identifying other members and any rituals.
Some masons openly talk about our rituals and theres a good deal of debate amongst us if this is appropriate, i feel personaly that it ruins the experience for new initiates and should be kept private.

Theres nothing sinister, no mind control, no global domination plots, no lizards or reptiles (although by the look of some of my fellows id say this was open to debate)
We basicly partake in rituals, drink beer, eat a meal together and discuss and debate the meanings of obscure historical texts and rituals, we have a lot of fun doing it.

[racin-snake]

i thank you for your candid post
it was never an intention to make a big deal out of it
just explain
i abhor secrecy and therefore ask questions its as simple as that

all i would disagree on is the concept of asking why when or how

am not in any way shape or form a conspiracy theorist or a religious man
and i have the feeling that the wrong conclusions are came to through either laziness to seek the facts or just blind stupidity
if all the questions i ask are there for the reference i can then come to my own conclusions
nowt bizarre in that is there ?
my one and only aim or agenda if you like is to help people to look around and maybe see the fuller picture
and government conspiracy's have been proven to be just that
lies and deceit
just on a quest to learn all i can before passing judgement on anyone
pigeon holing individuals s not my bag
whether you be Muslim catholic or protestant makes no distinction to me
in all honesty if your of good intention then i have no qualms
in short
what I believe is not what i want you to believe
you have your own path and direction
for me i just want to wake people up to research what and why the believe
no harm intended .....in my opinion your right to live how you like is your right

as i have stated before look at the reasons the why when's and how's
before concluding
once again i thank you for your response and maybe both of us have came out a bit wiser than when we started
i certainly have ....
but still looking not to debunk but just seeing what its all about
cheers ....racin-snake

[z786]

Not to mention that Obamas a mason one minuite a devil worshiper the next and a member of bilderberg whilst being active with the illuminati, all the while being an avid member of the priory of scion and partying down with his mafioso chums at a skull and bones gathering...
Cant really seem to pick a target and stick to it can it?
I mean theres only so many days in a week and he clearly has other work like running a country and visiting dignitaries to get in the way of him attending all these members only clubs.

i own a garage, my cousin owns a fastfood restaurant, my brother is a solicitor, and his mate owns a news agent

we all have employees, but 1 in particular, "the handyman" he works for me and the rest of the people mention above, he runs errands, chores and anythin else he is asked to do

while he represents us all, he doesnt hav 1 payroll or 1 employer, therfore neither does he clock on for work at my place or any other since he is set to do tasks all week

he jus does what he gets paid for.

hope my example made it easier for you

[z786]

put aside any anger.

why anger? we are surley havin a discussion and not a fight

who exactly is responsable for the arrivals? what credentials do they hold? why do they insist on anonimity and psudonyms? Clearly a source that can be trusted, i mean youve clearly illustrated you have no issue with secrets..

noreaga, achernar and hashem films
they show themselves in one of the episodes
abdullah hashem is known for exposing the rael cult and infiltrating hollywood and exposing that
they are not anonymous and clearly show their faces

Theres nothing sinister, no mind control, no global domination plots, no lizards or reptiles (although by the look of some of my fellows id say this was open to debate)
.

i'l ask you again in a few years, not sure about the lizards or reptiles

anyway, i'l leav you to it, hav fun and be nice

[nara]

Prior to that didnt the French archers do it to the English after chopping off there bow/string fingers before battle goading them that they still had their fingers.

No, that's an Urban Legend.

The Archers' V-sign: an urban legend - The V-sign - Icons of England

[racin-snake]

very good Nara now go apply your new thirst for knowledge at the rest of the stuff you deem to be either right or wrong
the first step in a long quest for the truth
use your intellect and maybe learn something new ?
always remember though this is but one person the authors take on this
maybe based in fact maybe not
but its your right to question everything and prove or disprove everything its there for you if you open your mind to look
good luck
you now see how subtle it is to make someone look in the right direction too
all this applies in reality adverts religion governments all know how subtle they can be in getting others to do their bidding

so now its not a case of made you look ...its more made you think ...?

good luck on the new found way of thinking ..in your anger and distrust of us you looked for the answer to disprove ...thank you
proving my point of do not believe till its FACT

nowt more nowt less

[TheJackel]

No, that's an Urban Legend.

The Archers' V-sign: an urban legend - The V-sign - Icons of England

I stand corrected nara thankyou.

[nara]

I stand corrected nara thankyou.

You are more than welcome.

Now what are we both doing here in a nutjob thread?

[racin-snake]

to learn ?
and nutjob thread ?
why do you say that ?
do you believe i am a nutjob ?
Noun: nutjob
A person who is regarded as eccentric or mad
- nutter [Brit], wacko, whacko, mentalist [Brit], nutbar [N. Amer], nutcake [US], wackjob [N. Amer], whackjob [N. Amer], basket case
Derived forms: nutjobs
Type of: dag [Austral, NZ], eccentric, eccentric person, flake, geek, oddball........as you see i can copy and paste too ..

is asking questions that foreign to you that you claim me mad ?
different people different mindsets
if we were all alike then what a utopia...
looking for the truth is not madness
if something is broken do you not find the answer to fix it ?
just like you did with the v sign post
you looked for the answer but for the wrong reason
but still you searched
so in all honesty ask yourself if i am a nutjob then......
nutjobs = the forward thinking
you what category are you in ?
because you have a look for the truth then you are pigeon holed as defective ?
in reality you have far to go insults and derogatory humour are far from funny
they show how shallow you have become
but last but not least
in a free world ..that claims to cater for everyone
have a look at what you think and why that is the case maybe then you will see who is the nutjob

[a911]

So what are we ganna do about it?!

Withdrew our money from the banks,,,turn of the TV,,, shut down the music,,,go into hunger strike,,,,,etc!

After reading most of the posts....and watching the videos,,,,I think I might become a Freemason...

If U can not beat them,,,join them...

Will its nice to have freedom of speech,,,@least thru the!

Regdz a911

[TheJackel]

So what are we ganna do about it?!

Withdrew our money from the banks,,,turn of the TV,,, shut down the music,,,go into hunger strike,,,,,etc!

After reading most of the posts....and watching the videos,,,,I think I might become a Freemason...

If U can not beat them,,,join them...

Will its nice to have freedom of speech,,,@least thru the!

Regdz a911

No just try to educate yourself mate, dont believe everything you read in the papers or see on the TV, try to be open minded and not blinkered.

A couple of instances to mull over.
1 Did we invade Iraq because of WMD or Oil ?
2 Why are we really in Afghanistan ?
3 What happened to the big swine flu pandemic that did not materialise ?

Like i say do some probing yourself you will be suprised what you will unearth from the internet, i know its not Trevor Mcdonut telling you or the scum newspaper but you will be able to make an educated opinion yourself.

[z786]

So what are we ganna do about it?!

Withdrew our money from the banks,,,turn of the TV,,, shut down the music,,,go into hunger strike,,,,,etc!

After reading most of the posts....and watching the videos,,,,I think I might become a Freemason...

If U can not beat them,,,join them...

Will its nice to have freedom of speech,,,@least thru the!

Regdz a911

jus goes to show you how dependant you are on them