Sata HDD Master and IDE HDD Slave

[Devilfish]

Can I use a Sata disk as the master and an IDE as a slave?

I'm going to be upgrading my dads PC which is all IDE and it's all new Sata stuff. New sata hdd with new window install, can I add the old IDE drive in as a slave so that he doesn't loose all his old stuff?

Is it a case of leaving the IDE disk out while you install the new one, then once you're all up and running, se the IDE as a slave and then add it in?

Cheers!

[aftermath]

i am sure you can DF

mine boots from sata

and 2nd boot device is IDE for back up windoze

just change the bios boot sequence.

[dongebag]

Hi Mate

Can be done but not sure why you need to do it that way.

You will need to ensure the sata drive is physically set to master (usually a bridge across the 2 pins for master on back of drive) and the old drive is physically set to slave before connecting to the old drive to the motherboard.

If this is an upgrade you are doing, need to think about settings and drivers too.

Out of interest, how much data are you looking to save from the old drive and how big is the old drive??

[dongebag]

Oh sorry, forgot to say that I have only described the drive configuration above with respect to master and slave. Depending on some variables you may need to update drivers or firmware for the drives.

[Devilfish]

This will effectively be a new build with all SATA devices and new windows install so drivers, etc. shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks for the advice.

[cunny]

Hi Mate

Can be done but not sure why you need to do it that way.

You will need to ensure the sata drive is physically set to master (usually a bridge across the 2 pins for master on back of drive) and the old drive is physically set to slave before connecting to the old drive to the motherboard.

If this is an upgrade you are doing, need to think about settings and drivers too.

Out of interest, how much data are you looking to save from the old drive and how big is the old drive??

Sata drive set to master?

It wont affect either way mate. I will quickly tell you how to configure IDE drives.

If your using the same kinf if device like cdroms/dvdroms on the same ide channel then you MUST set 1 as master and 1 as a slave with the jumper setting on the back of the device. This also applies to hard drives.

If your using 2 differant type of devices down the same channel, 1 dvdrom and 1 hard drive then you set BOTH to master.

With sata you DONT/CANT set drives to master or slave as they will have their own port on the card/motherboard so in affect as if your only using 1 device down the ide channel then set it to master, the sata drive wont matter.

Drivers wont be an issue as long as the drives have been partitoned correctly.

[dongebag]

Hi guys

Sorry, having a blonde moment. Thought you were adding a new drive and wanted to get files from the old one. Thats why I mentioned the drivers as they would have been on the old drive.

I followed some tutorial when I had to get some files off and old drive in the past and both drives were IDE. Completely forgot Sata won't be piggy backed this way (der!!!!).

Good luck with the build.

[Messa]

Can I use a Sata disk as the master and an IDE as a slave?

I'm going to be upgrading my dads PC which is all IDE and it's all new Sata stuff. New sata hdd with new window install, can I add the old IDE drive in as a slave so that he doesn't loose all his old stuff?

Is it a case of leaving the IDE disk out while you install the new one, then once you're all up and running, se the IDE as a slave and then add it in?

Cheers!

To save yourself some effort later on, just attach your IDE while building the new PC but when installing your new operating system you obviously select the SATA drive as the installation drive.

You do not need to bother about master/slave on the IDE drive just put the jumper on the C/S or 'cable select' pins and the drive will be allocated master or slave automatically

Messa

[xvator]

I think you just need a converter for one of them. My computer is running a SATA hardrive although it has a IDE motherboard. Just bought a converter.

[Messa]

I think you just need a converter for one of them. My computer is running a SATA hardrive although it has a IDE motherboard. Just bought a converter.

No you don't, most (if not all) motherboards that come with SATA connections will also have one or two IDE connections as well.

You just stipulate in the BIOS to boot either from SATA or IDE.

Messa

PS if you are using an IDE to SATA converter you are still only running the drive at IDE speeds.

[cunny]

No you don't, most (if not all) motherboards that come with SATA connections will also have one or two IDE connections as well.

You just stipulate in the BIOS to boot either from SATA or IDE.

Messa

PS if you are using an IDE to SATA converter you are still only running the drive at IDE speeds.

The problem here if you do the above is that if you come to remove the ide hdd, the system could not boot due to the MBR on the sata seeing 2 instalations of windows.

I would probably instal windows onto the sata LEAVING OUT the IDE drive until you have all your drivers in and boot sequence sorted out.
Then connect the IDE and then pull the stuff over to the SATA.
You definatly wont need any kind of converter to do this, tho it would have been easier for you if you had an external HDD.

[Messa]

The problem here if you do the above is that if you come to remove the ide hdd, the system could not boot due to the MBR on the sata seeing 2 instalations of windows.

I would probably instal windows onto the sata LEAVING OUT the IDE drive until you have all your drivers in and boot sequence sorted out.
Then connect the IDE and then pull the stuff over to the SATA.
You definatly wont need any kind of converter to do this, tho it would have been easier for you if you had an external HDD.

I have booted with no problems on a SATA with another windows on an IDE, I agree with you that this is the traditional problem but I think modern boards can cope ok.

[Devilfish]

I installed the new windows with the ide drive out and made sure the install was working before adding it in. Set jumpers to CS on ide drive and set bios to boot from sata. All good.

Only thing is, it won't allow me to go into the Documents and Settings folders on the old drive, says I don't have permissions. I've googled it and tried the options but still same, i.e. taken ownership of file, added new user (current user of new machine) and given full rights, etc. It's no biggy because most of the files we wanted were on the c:\ but there was a few files on the desktop that we wanted to get back. Will have another play next time I'm up and let you know.

[cunny]

I installed the new windows with the ide drive out and made sure the install was working before adding it in. Set jumpers to CS on ide drive and set bios to boot from sata. All good.

Only thing is, it won't allow me to go into the Documents and Settings folders on the old drive, says I don't have permissions. I've googled it and tried the options but still same, i.e. taken ownership of file, added new user (current user of new machine) and given full rights, etc. It's no biggy because most of the files we wanted were on the c:\ but there was a few files on the desktop that we wanted to get back. Will have another play next time I'm up and let you know.

Boot into safe mode as administrator.
Goto the folders/files you want.
Right click properties.
Security tab.
Change ownership of the files.
Copy them over and they should be open.

You might need to create a new user same as old 1 as sounds like they were passworded.

[Devilfish]

I'll give that a go cunny!

There was no password set on the previous account, it booted up to the desktop. But the account names might be different.

Cheers