Premier League 'wins' pub satellite TV copyright battle

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  • RuberDuck
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    • Sep 2010
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    Premier League 'wins' pub satellite TV copyright battle

    The Premier League is claiming victory against the importers of foreign satellite TV decoders in a high-profile copyright court battle.

    Some British pubs purchase satellite systems from other parts of the European Union, in order to offer Premier League football at a much cheaper cost than Sky and ESPN.

    The High Court has now said that the league can take action against the pubs on grounds of breach of copyright. But the satellite TV firms claim that they are still free to continue offering their services.

    The Premier League took out a civil action against digital box provider QC Suppler and publican SR Leisure Limited, but the case was put on hold in the UK after it was referred to the European Court for legal advice.

    The case was heard alongside the legal action of pub landlady Karen Murphy, who had bought a Greek satellite TV service using a QC decoder to use in her pub in Southsea.

    In a landmark ruling last October the European Court of Justice said that national laws prohibiting the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards were "contrary to the freedom to provide services and cannot be justified either in light of the objective of protecting intellectual property rights or by the objective of encouraging the public to attend football stadiums".

    However, the court also said that any opening video sequences, the Premier League anthem and pre-recorded highlights or graphics were "works" and so to show them in a pub would require permission from the Premier League.

    Following the ruling, the High Court said that importers of foreign satellite equipment had breached the Premier League's copyright by allowing pubs to show foreign broadcasts.

    But Lord Justice Kitchin said that the league had only proved its claims of breach of copyright "to a limited extent".

    "The defendants who are continuing to trade must be entitled to carry on their business in a way which avoids infringement of [Premier League] copyright if they are able to do so," Kitchin said in the judgment.

    Nick Noble, a Premier League spokesman, said that the judgement was "consistent with the ECJ ruling", adding: "The law gives us the right to prevent the unauthorised use of our copyrights in pubs and clubs when they are communicated to the public without our authority."

    In a statement, the league added: "We will now resume actions against publicans who are using European Economic Area foreign satellite systems to show Premier League football on their premises unlawfully and without our authority."

    But Anand Pattani, the lawyer representing QC Leisure and other defendants, told BBC News that the judge had "dismissed" the majority of league's claims against his clients.

    "Our clients are extremely pleased that, in line with the finding of the European Court, the judgment confirms that the majority of claims against our clients are to be dismissed," he said.

    "Insofar as there has been a finding of infringement relating to a limited number of artistic works our clients also welcome Lord Justice Kitchin's confirmation that they must be entitled to carry on their business in a way which avoids any such infringement."

    Karen Murphy's case is due to be heard in the High Court later this year.
  • Manic01
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    • Dec 2008
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    #2
    Not sure exactly where that leaves it all again.

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    • darcu5
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      • Jun 2011
      • 944

      #3
      If it isn't broke, don't try fixin it..!!!

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      • **OVERRIDE**
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        • Nov 2008
        • 199

        #4
        Dont look good,hearing 24 feb on how ECJ ruling will affect pubs...

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        • DLINKLA
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          • Sep 2010
          • 128

          #5
          My take on it is

          All cases previously are dismissed

          From now on - No pub is allowed to show EPL logos , copyright stuff without there permission

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          • alom5
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            • Nov 2008
            • 1648

            #6
            Originally posted by DLINKLA
            My take on it is

            All cases previously are dismissed

            From now on - No pub is allowed to show EPL logos , copyright stuff without there permission
            which basically means they ain't gona be able to show the games as the epl logo will be all over the screens now for with all channel providers....

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            • neolxs
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              • Mar 2011
              • 101

              #7
              Dosent the European courts overrule UK law? They always do when it comes to everything else.

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              • alom5
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                • Nov 2008
                • 1648

                #8
                yeah they do....but you can see where the pl is coming from and i think this little bit is a door openned for them and they will take full advantage..

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                • ITS A SCAM !
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                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1140

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DLINKLA
                  My take on it is

                  All cases previously are dismissed

                  From now on - No pub is allowed to show EPL logos , copyright stuff without there permission
                  I have said this a while ago....If you have noticed, all the players do already have the premier league logo on their sleeves....so in theory none of the players can be shown because of this......

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                  • rigsby71
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                    • Mar 2009
                    • 676

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ITS A SCAM !
                    I have said this a while ago....If you have noticed, all the players do already have the premier league logo on their sleeves....so in theory none of the players can be shown because of this......
                    but surely , when the overseas tv company buys the rights to show the games, then all copyrights are also included as otherwise, the overseas tv company is broadcasting illegally & i can hardly see that being the case.

                    My take is, that if an overseas broadcaster buys the rights, the copyrights MUST be included and anyone who buys that TV package is effectively also buying into the same rights & therefore cannot be prosecuted.
                    The only people who can be prosecuted are the overseas tv
                    company.
                    Why would the end user, the purchaser, be prosecuted, all they have done is buy a legit card from the EU.

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                    • ITS A SCAM !
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                      • Oct 2008
                      • 1140

                      #11
                      The premier league have the copyright in the UK only. So showing it abroad is ok....but a foreign broadcaster cannot show it in the UK....seems straight forward to me.

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                      • rigsby71
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                        • Mar 2009
                        • 676

                        #12
                        Also, in law...

                        The Premier League coulld only prosecute pubs if there is a contract in place between the Pub & the Premier League & as there is none in place , then there is no case.

                        This is standard contract law, & for the Premier League to pursue pubs, there needs to be a contract in place between that pub & the Premier League.

                        If the Pub has not signed any contract, then no contract has been broken.

                        You can only be prosecuted if you have broken a signed contract & therefore no pub can be prosecuted.

                        All a publican has to do is to write back whoever has told them they have broken the law asking to see the signed contract, & as none could be provided, then there is no case to answer.

                        The prosecuter has to find evidence that a signed contract is in place before any proceedings could take place.
                        Last edited by rigsby71; 4 February, 2012, 00:34.

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                        • tonycrew
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                          • Jan 2012
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                          #13
                          Whats a contract got to do with it..? nothing, you don't have a contract to download Films, Xbox360 Games etc so does that mean i'm not breaking the law of copyright...?

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                          • rigsby71
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                            • Mar 2009
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by ITS A SCAM !
                            The premier league have the copyright in the UK only. So showing it abroad is ok....but a foreign broadcaster cannot show it in the UK....seems straight forward to me.
                            fair enough, if that is the case, then why don't the Premier League take those broadcasters to court & not the poor publican ?

                            The Premier League have contracts with those broadcasters & not any publicans & under contract law only those who have contracts could be prosecuted & as publicans don't have any contracts with the Premier League, the
                            Premier League cannot pursue people it does not have a contract with.

                            The only people the Premier League can prosecute are those that have signed contracts with them & that can only be the foreign broadcasters.
                            Last edited by rigsby71; 4 February, 2012, 00:53.

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                            • rigsby71
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                              • Mar 2009
                              • 676

                              #15
                              Originally posted by tonycrew
                              Whats a contract got to do with it..? nothing, you don't have a contract to download Films, Xbox360 Games etc so does that mean i'm not breaking the law of copyright...?
                              Quite right, you don't have a contract , therefore you cannot be prosecuted.

                              You can only prosecute people if they have broken a contract.

                              You simply write back saying there is no contract & they have to provide evidence a contract exists, if not,
                              there is no case.
                              Last edited by rigsby71; 4 February, 2012, 00:56.

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