Premier League warns pubs against using foreign set top boxes

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  • RuberDuck
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    • Sep 2010
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    Premier League warns pubs against using foreign set top boxes

    The Premier League has unleashed an advertising campaign warning pubs and clubs in the UK of a forthcoming crackdown on using foreign satellite services to show football matches.

    The campaign is being backed by Sky, which holds the UK broadcast rights to show Premier League football matches in households and commercial businesses.


    The full page ad is running today in the publications often read by publicans, including the Morning Advertiser, warning them that they face legal action if they attempt to get around paying Sky to show football to their customers.

    Sky Sports already has around 44,000 pub, club and office subscribers, each paying around ?1,000 per month. But some businesses have been purchasing foreign satellite feeds, often using services from Greece and Arab countries, that are much cheaper than Sky's packages.

    Earlier in the month, the Premier League won a ruling in the High Court that it can take action against the pubs on grounds of breach of copyright.

    The League took out a civil action against digital box provider QC Suppler and publican SR Leisure Limited, but the case was put on hold after it was referred to the European Court for legal advice.

    The case was heard alongside the legal action of pub landlady Karen Murphy, who had bought a Greek satellite TV service using a QC decoder to use in her pub.

    In a landmark ruling last October the European Court of Justice said that national laws prohibiting the import, sale or use of foreign decoder cards were "contrary to the freedom to provide services and cannot be justified either in light of the objective of protecting intellectual property rights or by the objective of encouraging the public to attend football stadiums".

    However, the court also said that any opening video sequences, the Premier League anthem and pre-recorded highlights or graphics were "works" and so to show them in a pub would require permission from the Premier League.

    On February 3, Lord Justice Kitchin said at the High Court that importers of foreign satellite equipment had breached the Premier League's copyright by allowing pubs to show foreign broadcasts.

    The Premier League's ad refers directly to the case, warning: "Lord Justice Kitchin's judgement is consistent with the ECJ ruling. It is clear that the law gives us the right to prevent the unauthorised use of our copyrights in pubs and clubs when they are communicated to the public without our authority. We will now resume actions against publicans."

    The Premier League's campaign appears to be working already in part, as Euroview, a supplier of foreign set top boxes and cards, has now shut down its business operations.

    In a message to customers on the company's website, Euroview Sport said: "To fully protect the business of its customers Euroview Sport is now investing in making changes to its service which will ensure that it offers a risk free solution which does not infringe the rights of the FAPL or any other third party. Until these changes are fully effected Euroview has made the decision to temporarily suspend its services.

    "Your contract with Euroview Sport will cease with immediate affect and your account will be closed from 10th February 2012. We have taken the necessary steps to cancel the service on the viewing cards, however; due to a notice period to our suppliers your viewing card may still run for up to three weeks.

    "If your card is still running after February 10, 2012, please note that you will not have legal protection from Euroview Sport and should cease using the card. If you still allow viewing then you do so at your own risk."

    The UK's Hgh Court of Justice is due to make a final decision on how to apply the ECJ's ruling in the Karen Murphy case on February 24.
  • smirnoff_rules
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    • Mar 2008
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    #2
    my club uses virtualseason.net so its streamed to your tv's wonder if that is a problem for sky as its not a box ?
    Last edited by smirnoff_rules; 16 February, 2012, 18:25.
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    • RuberDuck
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      • Sep 2010
      • 1724

      #3
      Originally posted by smirnoff_rules
      my club uses virtualnet so its streamed to your tv's wonder if that is a problem for sky as its not a box ?
      similar to a vulkano or slingbox ?. while fine for personal use i would imagine its still illegal when used in a public venue.

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      • dctyper
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        • Jun 2008
        • 2539

        #4
        is it not the premier league badge that they have copyright to? if so, what if you turn on after kickoff and before the final whistle so nobody can see it broadcasted

        dc
        Wavefield Ds 55cm at 13E 19E and 28E receiving everything out there on 2 dm800hd

        previous life dm800hd and 500c on cable screw you nag3


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        • ramjet
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          • Nov 2008
          • 2995

          #5
          Originally posted by dctyper
          is it not the premier league badge that they have copyright to? if so, what if you turn on after kickoff and before the final whistle so nobody can see it broadcasted

          dc
          I would think that they will ensure that copyrighted logos or picons or whatever you wish to call them will be on show throughout the match, and they may even have soundbites playing that are copyrighted too during the 2 halves of the game

          in other words I am sure that the actual 2 halves will have something onscreen or in the audio or both that means you will be breaking the law in showing it

          ideally you would want access to a live feed unencumbered by advertising , logos or anything else deemed to be copyrighted by the FAPL

          its also one thing to view the match yourself in private by whatever means you take , its completely different showing it to pub and club customers in public bars , same as it is playing music

          private rights are different to public rights

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          • rigsby71
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            • Mar 2009
            • 676

            #6
            If pubs are that worried, they should just close the doors for games & only let in people they know.

            Loads of pubs in my area already do this & have done so for years.

            If you want to go in, you knock on the door & if you are known, you can get in, if not, on yer bike.

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            • smirnoff_rules
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              • Mar 2008
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              #7
              my club l use has a buzzer and key fobs , but there going to cover logo up now tho .. l know it might mean nothing but anythin helps
              any information provided is for educational/experimental purposes only.

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              • firestorm
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                • Jul 2008
                • 1550

                #8
                How about if pubs made it private members only when the football is on.Then in the rules you would have to sign a disclaimer that you would not give any evidence against against the pub/landlord.This would stop sky snoops from coming into the pub.
                just an idea
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                • ITS A SCAM !
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                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1140

                  #9
                  Originally posted by smirnoff_rules
                  my club l use has a buzzer and key fobs , but there going to cover logo up now tho .. l know it might mean nothing but anythin helps
                  I have mentioned a few times on here that the players wear the Premier League badge on their sleeves.... so there is no way of stopping the Premier League logo from being seen during the match...... I shall watch this thread will interest.

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                  • bj1
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                    • Sep 2010
                    • 445

                    #10
                    Originally posted by firestorm
                    How about if pubs made it private members only when the football is on.Then in the rules you would have to sign a disclaimer that you would not give any evidence against against the pub/landlord.This would stop sky snoops from coming into the pub.
                    just an idea

                    how does she do that without them coming out the cups?
                    amazing how someones avatar can brighten up a boring thread...
                    infact it has made my day....

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                    • fac51
                      Top Poster
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 103

                      #11
                      The logos are on the left and right sleeves of every premiership shirt so there's no way of stopping their logo being seen.
                      PS on Manchesters Uniteds shirt it GOLD for some reason ;-)

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                      • ITS A SCAM !
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                        • Oct 2008
                        • 1140

                        #12
                        Originally posted by fac51
                        The logos are on the left and right sleeves of every premiership shirt so there's no way of stopping their logo being seen.
                        PS on Manchesters Uniteds shirt it GOLD for some reason ;-)
                        Yeah.....i have just said that......

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                        • moosegoose
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                          • Jul 2011
                          • 9

                          #13
                          I personally don't think the logo on the shirt apply as it is part of the live game. If they are not allowed to copyright live football, i cant see that by just having the logo on the shirt makes it illegal. There are many situations where the premier league logo could pop up on screen. Some one could be wearing a united shirt at a live cricket game. So my point is if you were making a film you would need permission from the PL to have some one in a shirt with the logo on it. On the other hand if you a broadcasting live from the us open and jo blogs has his wigan shirt on, i dont think there is much they can do. And why add a on screen logo if it was all ready on the shirts. The on-screen logo is copyright and should be covered. The premier league music is by kasabian and covered by the pubs entertainments licence.
                          Which just leaves the recorded content which is easy, just don't show them. Im not sure about action replays though. please come back with your take on it..
                          Last edited by moosegoose; 18 February, 2012, 08:20.

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                          • ITS A SCAM !
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                            • Oct 2008
                            • 1140

                            #14
                            How can you say that the badge on thier sleeve is not part of the live game ? Thats a weird way of looking at it. Personally i can see many publicans being prosecuted / fined over this. Do you think that telling the judge " the badge on thier sleeve is not part of the live game " will present you will a " get out of jail free card " ?

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                            • Fergal
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                              • Aug 2008
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                              #15
                              He never said it wasn't part of the live game
                              Last edited by Fergal; 18 February, 2012, 12:11.

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