motorised dish ~~~~ed

[mdt]

your installer is a cock imo as if you install using usals you can use usals or diseqc 1.2 but if installed using diseqc 1.2 then you cant use usals without getting the ladder out again.. tell him to give his head a shake and come back and do it properly for you. regards mdt

[Manic01]

well not quite Diseqc is more forgiving if the pole is not plumb or your around a few inches out from True south, The harder is the USALS to get every sat spot on not just 1 or 2

May be more forgiving but usals is easy.
Plumb bracket thats all.
Diseqc was only used when no usals.
No need for diseqc at all.
With usals you can set up on any sat, with diseqc you need the highest point of the arc ie 1w or 4w etc.

[digicon]

May be more forgiving but usals is easy.
Plumb bracket thats all.
Diseqc was only used when no usals.
No need for diseqc at all.
With usals you can set up on any sat, with diseqc you need the highest point of the arc ie 1w or 4w etc.

Your completely Wrong USALS is not easy its a precise alignment and should be aligned on 2-3 weaker sats as well as the far reach of each easterly and westerly points.

I have been to many so called Diseqc 1.2 installs where when i asked could they get as far east as say 62? or even as far west as 58?, they cant and why not because the Diseqc 1.2 install does not follow the ARC correctly. And guess what once aligned correctly to USALS and tracking the ARC again how it should have done in the first place. People have been suprised they could actually get those satellites in the first place. i usually get " I never got those sats on 1.2 "

Diseqc 1.2 is for DIY'ers with sat beepers and lazy arse idiots nuff said

[maca]

lazy arse idiots' bit harsh that m8y

[digicon]

lazy arse idiots' bit harsh that m8y

I was referring more towards the Installer on that last statement, Put it this way if i resorted to doing Diseqc 1.2 installs then i might as well leave this profession and go and work in Mc'Donalds LOL

[tool37]

So that's why I can't get usals to work, there's something out on the dish, either pole or true south, but I'm getting the sats I want
0.8w to 39e, don't help with neighbours 60ft oak at the bottom of his garden, if I have another problem gonna give the installer a miss and try someone else, he did fit a quad lnb as I'm gonna get another receiver for conservatory, want a ultimo as very happy with the duo I already have

[Manic01]

Your completely Wrong USALS is not easy its a precise alignment and should be aligned on 2-3 weaker sats as well as the far reach of each easterly and westerly points.

I have been to many so called Diseqc 1.2 installs where when i asked could they get as far east as say 62? or even as far west as 58?, they cant and why not because the Diseqc 1.2 install does not follow the ARC correctly. And guess what once aligned correctly to USALS and tracking the ARC again how it should have done in the first place. People have been suprised they could actually get those satellites in the first place. i usually get " I never got those sats on 1.2 "

Diseqc 1.2 is for DIY'ers with sat beepers and lazy arse idiots nuff said

Again I say usals is easy mate, never had an issue and you can set up on any sat.

[Nutsandbolts]

Hi. Nice arguments here is my input. It dont matter if you use 1.2 or USALS so long as the dish is aligned and setup properly to begin with. Points to remember is that 1.2 is manual search and USALS is auto search. With 1.2 you have more control in fine tuning the signals and storing them. With USALS it needs to be spot on from the beginning and is a lot quicker in setting up. Also you need to take in consideration the motor position with regards to the two systems. For example with 1.2 you can tune in any satellite at any given position on the motor, with USALS the motor will stop at the
satellite position indicated in your USALS menu. For example HOTBIRD 13 east USALS with stop motor at 13 east. With 1.2 you can find HOTBIRD at say 40 east and store it . The problem of course with 1.2 is that you may find satellites way beyond their original positions and find you dont have any room on the motor to find other satellites. If you are going to use 1.2 try to find satellites as close to their positions on the motor. With USALS you dont have this problem as it is automatically driven by the sat positions within your menu. Also remember with USALS you can also alter the satellite positions within your menu if it gives you a better signal. For example you can change HOTBIRD 13 east to 12.8 east or 13.2 east etc. Like already mentioned USALS is much better and quicker to set up than 1.2 but it needs to be set up correctly to begin with and it does not matter which satellite you align it to begin with. One of the problems i find with motorized users is their lack of knowledge on how their receivers work so my advice to anybody is always make sure you know how to operate your receiver. This will give you a better understanding of how to deal with any problems later on. Regards.

[Manic01]

If using diseqc you really need to set up on highest point of the arc, for me that would be 1w, others maybe 4w or 5w.
For usals you can set up on any sat, as long as bracket is plumb!

[digicon]

Hi. Nice arguments here is my input. It dont matter if you use 1.2 or USALS so long as the dish is aligned and setup properly to begin with. Points to remember is that 1.2 is manual search and USALS is auto search. With 1.2 you have more control in fine tuning the signals and storing them. With USALS it needs to be spot on from the beginning and is a lot quicker in setting up. Also you need to take in consideration the motor position with regards to the two systems. For example with 1.2 you can tune in any satellite at any given position on the motor, with USALS the motor will stop at the
satellite position indicated in your USALS menu. For example HOTBIRD 13 east USALS with stop motor at 13 east. With 1.2 you can find HOTBIRD at say 40 east and store it . The problem of course with 1.2 is that you may find satellites way beyond their original positions and find you dont have any room on the motor to find other satellites. If you are going to use 1.2 try to find satellites as close to their positions on the motor. With USALS you dont have this problem as it is automatically driven by the sat positions within your menu. Also remember with USALS you can also alter the satellite positions within your menu if it gives you a better signal. For example you can change HOTBIRD 13 east to 12.8 east or 13.2 east etc. Like already mentioned USALS is much better and quicker to set up than 1.2 but it needs to be set up correctly to begin with and it does not matter which satellite you align it to begin with. One of the problems i find with motorized users is their lack of knowledge on how their receivers work so my advice to anybody is always make sure you know how to operate your receiver. This will give you a better understanding of how to deal with any problems later on. Regards.

Obviously no one listens on here or reads the posts sometimes, So i will now point you towards what mdt has stated

your installer is a cock imo as if you install using usals you can use usals or diseqc 1.2 but if installed using diseqc 1.2 then you cant use usals without getting the ladder out again

So again it does matter what you set your system up with do it with 1.2 and its not tracking the Clark Belt correctly even with USALS if its not set to more than 1 point and never mind what manic01 said its easy set it to 1 sat and thats it, you need 3-5 sats and the furthest point on east and west to track correctly.

And what i highlighted in your statement furthers that truth if 13? east was around the 40? mark on your motor you would be lucky to hit even 3-4 sats correctly which goes back to what i said its a lazy way of doing it and is not accurate.

USALS by the way is not only built in software in the receiver but also the motor as well, USALS receiver tells Motor goto 13? east motor USALS software knows where 13? east is and goes there. Diseqc 1.2 line dish to 13? east store in receiver Pos.1 receiver tells motor goto pos.1

Again as mdt says and i will stress this again if your system is spot on with Usals then you will notice no difference between it and using Diseqc 1.2 even fine tuning a sat will not reap any rewards it will though if your alignment is out which goes back to the point it aint set up correctly in the first place.

[Manic01]

Agreed mate, apart from the ignore what I say bit.
I have fitted ~~~~ing 100s of sat systems.
Never had an issue with usals.
It's all a myth that its hard.
Set up correct on 1 sat and away you go, ok a little fine tune can be required but very little.

[digicon]

And so have i mate its my job

[Manic01]

Snap............

[digicon]

Well you of all people should know you dont just use 1 sat i use the 3 weakest and the furthest reach of each east and west points, Like i say i have been to loads that have just been set to 1 sat and not fine tuned to get the very best out of all the others.

[Manic01]

opinions vary, I get no complaints.
They all receive 7.3w/26e ok here in my area doing it my way.