Motor alignment

[Shady]

intransigence

Thats a really good word

[ramjet]

on a side note, its a well known fact that the technomate motors (including the rebadged versions like my motek) will stutter and fail to operate smoothly when being controlled by a spiderbox if you are using the usals control method. however this does not happen if using diseqc mode

the darkmotors work flawlessly in both usals and in diseqc mode, and they have metal gears too , and those are the main reasons I changed from the motek motor, apart from the motor mount was rusting as its not galvanised like the motor body, so its now off the motor and being derusted and painted ready for installation elsewhere

anybody who has read a lot of posts would know about this problem when using tm2600 or similar motors with a spiderbox, as I am sure philbeardmore will find out when he tests his installation fully, and I have tested this theory when installing a tm2600 motor which was why I decided to swap to my darkmotor and this darkmotor works flawlessly too

so in his case he may be better to swap from the usals method to diseqc v1.2 after his motor is aligned correctly

from his efforts so far I do not think his longitude is 0.1w or anything near the greenwich meridian and this may account for his missing the arc so far

I stand by my statements in this thread, and I hope he realises where the correct information is coming from and acts accordingly, seeing as he hasnt got an easy time of it like those inside the m25 !

[pedro2000uk]

..... By the way i have changed my latitude settings to 45N, 38N 56N etc and guess what?. The motor still finds the satellites....

If you examine doing that very closely on a spectrum or decent meter you'll see that the satellites are then all out a %, the closer to the middle of the arc less so or even under USALS low resolution of 0.1 degree ..so no difference under USALS- even though the background USALS azimuth calculations are a % out ... it will just round it up or down the same

..but the further out you go out from middle, the more out they will be ..a lot of meters won't show it that well, especially on large dishes on very strong satellites/ beams ... but you should see it on weaker beams/ satellites... just try 26e

[Nutsandbolts]

Hi Pedro. I find it hard to believe that you are an installer seeing that you were unable to give proper advice to fellow member nimbers. These poor person was looking for the west satellites and all you could tell him was to change the USALS setting by a couple of degrees etc. Why did you not tell him to move the motor tail up slightly to get the west satellites like i did?? Thanks to me he now has the west satellites. Let me explain to you and others a simple fact. If you get the east satellites and not the west you need to move the motor tail slightly up not adjust the USALS settings like you keep telling people. To motorize a dish is all about getting the height and angles set up rather than worrying about your USALS settings. Regards.

[mdt]

@ramjet is correct... i was helping someone with there motor(a tm2600) last sunday using usals on a vu+duo and(these are rough figures as i can remember) hispasat@30w was at about 33 degree,s W on the scale on the motor.. the lat long was(roughly) 53.6N/2.4W. IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR LOCATION!!!!, regards mdt

[Philbeardmore]

Cheers guys,

I wish I'd done my homework and gone for a different motor in the first place - oh we'll, you learn from your mistakes.

My plan of action now is:
Check and make sure the motor mount pole is perfectly level all round
Check that the dish is mounted with the centre of the motor arm
Check the lattitude is set correctly on the motor bracket
Set the motor back to zero and then do a reset on the motor.
Reset the receiver
Input the channel list
Set the lattitude/longitude on the receiver
move the motor to 0.8 Thor via the receiver
Select Bbc News channel and rotate the motor and dish until I pick up a signal
Once I do pick up a signal, try and select another satellite and see if I get anything. Fingers crossed

Does this sound like a good plan?

Btw - I used the motorised guide which is a sticky on this forum to carry out initial install and found it great - credit to the author.

[ramjet]

Cheers guys,

I wish I'd done my homework and gone for a different motor in the first place - oh we'll, you learn from your mistakes.

My plan of action now is:
Check and make sure the motor mount pole is perfectly level all round
Check that the dish is mounted with the centre of the motor arm
Check the lattitude is set correctly on the motor bracket
Set the motor back to zero and then do a reset on the motor.
Reset the receiver
Input the channel list
Set the lattitude/longitude on the receiver
move the motor to 0.8 Thor via the receiver
Select Bbc News channel and rotate the motor and dish until I pick up a signal
Once I do pick up a signal, try and select another satellite and see if I get anything. Fingers crossed

Does this sound like a good plan?

Btw - I used the motorised guide which is a sticky on this forum to carry out initial install and found it great - credit to the author.

sounds perfect to me , and is more or less what I did with my current and previous motors

not sure what your longitude actually is , but mine is a few degrees west so I tweaked mine today to improve 4 west, which was near my zero pointer on the darkmotor, and is close to my true south, then I checked thor , and 42e and 30w , then checked in between

I actually had to put the motor latitude to 1 degree out to improve 4w but the dish setting matched what was in the book that came with my darkmotor

my results were very similar to mdt`s in post #35

and with the dark motor I get a smooth and fast satellite change without the stuttering problem the technomates have with spiderboxes , so am I extremely happy with the result

however , you can get good results with the tm2600 , and it will run smoothly with your spiderbox if you change to diseqc after aligning it using usals

[pedro2000uk]

Hi Pedro. I find it hard to believe that you are an installer seeing that you were unable to give proper advice to fellow member nimbers. These poor person was looking for the west satellites and all you could tell him was to change the USALS setting by a couple of degrees etc. Why did you not tell him to move the motor tail up slightly to get the west satellites like i did?? Thanks to me he now has the west satellites. Let me explain to you and others a simple fact. If you get the east satellites and not the west you need to move the motor tail slightly up not adjust the USALS settings like you keep telling people. To motorize a dish is all about getting the height and angles set up rather than worrying about your USALS settings. Regards.

you're being silly now ..

... if someone tells you something you obviously don't know... you should see it as a positive - you learnt .. you gained .. not try a silly attempt to bring them down to your level -..

there are things you need to brush up on

[Philbeardmore]

For info my Latitude is 54.8N and my longitude is 1.38 W

[ramjet]

For info my Latitude is 54.8N and my longitude is 1.38 W

so thor should be quite close to your zero on the pointer , about 0.5 east , and is almost your true south

[Nutsandbolts]

Hi guys. Please tell me what i need to brush up on. it took me 30 seconds to tell a guy how to find the west satellites and you lot have spent many days telling him what to do without getting anywhere. keep up the good work i am very impressed.
Regards.

[ramjet]

Hi guys. Please tell me what i need to brush up on. it took me 30 seconds to tell a guy how to find the west satellites and you lot have spent many days telling him what to do without getting anywhere. keep up the good work i am very impressed.
Regards.

the only thing you have told on here is total sh*te m8

now all you do is troll posts and try to shoot the messengers

[mdt]

@nutsandbolts.. i think you should withdraw m8 before you embarrass yourself any further, regards mdt

[Nutsandbolts]

If i am telling total shite like you say why are people finding satellites with my help rather than the confusing rubbish that you give them. I think problem is you dont like people who are cleverer than you. Like i said keep up the good work. Take care.

[pedro2000uk]

is this the advice you have referred to that you gave

Hi nimbers. A couple of points for you to note.
a) if you need to change your longitude from east to west the way i do it on my TM5400 is i place the remote cursor on the E and press enter. This will change the E to W.
b) Regarding the west satellites, if you are getting the east satellites and not the west usually its because your dish is too low. Remember east satellites are low and west are high.If you watch the way the motor moves the dish you will see this in action. Also for some satellites like HELLASAT 39 east the dish needs to be tilted - again the motor will do this for you as it is calibrated to do so. If you are happy with east satellites then do the following:
c) Move the dish to 5 west. When motor stops check for signal via signal meter or channel like TMC. TP for this channel is 11.553V s/r 30000. If you dont get a signal or picture then try to move the motor tail up slightly by unscrewing the two motor bolts and pushing the tail up. Do not loosen the dish from the motor tail otherwise you will lose your east sats. Remember if your dish is too low or high
changing settings will not help, you need to change the dish height. Take care.

you do need to get or go back to the 'basics' & take people's advice in good faith & not just react against them... I was designing & installing motorised before motors- this is just the basics & they haven't changed.