is this a good motorised dish deal

[digicon]

why dont they make the polar mounts anymore??? that seems nonsensecal imo, satsuperstore are asking ?420 for the dish/polarmount/actuator/v-box and smart tit lnb although we all know that their prices are ridiculous ,regards mdt

@mdt give me a few days to get a price sorted i can tell you now it wont be anywhere near what satsuperstore are quoting, Already had a price for everything aprt from polar mount and Vbox. I will PM you when i get a fixed price for the whole lot

[digicon]

The market's changed - the US market & elsewhere have mostly moved away from the big c band BUDs to little KU dishes like us & domestic motorised has moved to small diseqc motors on mostly 80s 90s 1ms & 1.1s.. Above that is a big jump now to the VSAT market which can pay for decent motorised, [got a few big 'uns on atm-.].

Polarmounts are also noisy - shifting a Channel Master 1.2 on an 18" Superjack on that mod'd Gibi polarmount bolted to a house is real noisy - & if you have close neighbours you might end up limiting it's use late at night- the Gibi design makes the actuator labour more than it needs to as well - it was a little better with the Channel Master polarmounts- but not much & even the relays in the V Box make a racket.

I just wish i could keep my Gibby 1m from bouncing in the wind on a darkmotor but its crap where i am open fields for miles straight across from my property so in those winds i get the full force.

If i move the dish to a sheltered location, I lose most of the arc my cuurent one goes to 68.5? east-west i have no problem.

My only solution is to go for an actuator, And i dont see the point in sticking one on a Gibby 1m i may as well go the whole hog and do it properly.

[mdt]

Polarmounts are also noisy - shifting a Channel Master 1.2 on an 18" Superjack on that mod'd Gibi polarmount bolted to a house is real noisy - & if you have close neighbours you might end up limiting it's use late at night- the Gibi design makes the actuator labour more than it needs to as well - it was a little better with the Channel Master polarmounts- but not much & even the relays in the V Box make a racket.

i forgot about the noise of the things... i had a 90cm CM on a jeager h-to-h(a 90 i think) back in 1995 and i filled the 2 inch galved pole with that expanding foam to try and deaden the noise abit although my next door neighbour never said anything even though i was up to all hours watching the wwf feeds on intelsat-k at 21.5w. im in a block of 4 flats and my next door is deaf as a post and underneath is a decent guy, i was originally going to put a 1.25 gibby on a stab 120 but it gets pretty windy here not to mention the metal on the motor bracket is soft shite that just bends if you tighten it to much and i dont want to have to keep getting my ladders out to re-align it everytime there is heavy winds like i have to at the moment with my tm2300 and td110 although it only moves miniscule amounts when it does, regards mdt

[pedro2000uk]

I just wish i could keep my Gibby 1m from bouncing in the wind on a darkmotor but its crap where i am open fields for miles straight across from my property so in those winds i get the full force.

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Is it bouncing on the Darkmotor or the Gibi's AZ/EL - if you look at it from underneath they're too long & thin & no lateral flat plate bends etc.. , [not the box- that's OK]. By the time you've stuck that on a motor it's sticking out a long, long way & flexing & adding leverage on the motor compared to the Triax.

The Triax is much tighter between the dish face & the pole clamps, has plenty of well designed lateral bends & folds plus that bracing box thing in the middle.
I don't understand the engineers at Gibi - why make them that long & thin- the same with the polarmounts- the old CM polarmounts took the pivot over the top of the pole, far less leverage etc.

Last year's winds were one of the worst I've seen though - not just the high wind speeds but it was the length of time it carried on - it was about 8 months of strong winds every few days & then you'd get a big one- we couldn't find met office records like it.

If it's that exposed I don't think you have a choice anyway if you want a big dish high up - I've got one on one property that is one of the highest properties in the area & it's over the gable end & sees into the 70s e/w- that's on a polarmount but it's not so easy to get polarmounts to do the big arcs due to the polarmount design & then there's ground noise/ noise temp at low elevation that shoots up that low.

another option is to put the bigger dish low down & sheltered & use a smaller dish high up to get the big arc..

[pedro2000uk]

i forgot about the noise of the things... i had a 90cm CM on a jeager h-to-h(a 90 i think) back in 1995 and i filled the 2 inch galved pole with that expanding foam to try and deaden the noise a bit a..

I remember all that - filling the pole with sand/ rubber mounting ... lagging, plastic wall anchors, bushing & grease anything & everything etc.....

[digicon]

Is it bouncing on the Darkmotor or the Gibi's AZ/EL - if you look at it from underneath they're too long & thin & no lateral flat plate bends etc.. , [not the box- that's OK]. By the time you've stuck that on a motor it's sticking out a long, long way & flexing & adding leverage on the motor compared to the Triax.

The Triax is much tighter between the dish face & the pole clamps, has plenty of well designed lateral bends & folds plus that bracing box thing in the middle.
I don't understand the engineers at Gibi - why make them that long & thin- the same with the polarmounts- the old CM polarmounts took the pivot over the top of the pole, far less leverage etc.

Last year's winds were one of the worst I've seen though - not just the high wind speeds but it was the length of time it carried on - it was about 8 months of strong winds every few days & then you'd get a big one- we couldn't find met office records like it.

If it's that exposed I don't think you have a choice anyway if you want a big dish high up - I've got one on one property that is one of the highest properties in the area & it's over the gable end & sees into the 70s e/w- that's on a polarmount but it's not so easy to get polarmounts to do the big arcs due to the polarmount design & then there's ground noise/ noise temp at low elevation that shoots up that low.

another option is to put the bigger dish low down & sheltered & use a smaller dish high up to get the big arc..

I did try the Triax 1.1 although that was slightly worse than the Gibby for me anyway thats why i stopped using them, basically in the triax you know yourself that the mount is a slide and clasp fixture and what i found was no matter how tight the 2 bolts where near the clasp when it got hit with high winds, it eventually stretches that clasp lock that the Triax use.

More times than not i had to take the dish off the motor take off that clasp lock and use mole grips to pull tighter the clasp part of the dish. After 2 or 3 times i got pissed off and took it down and now use the Gibby.

The Gibby mount is solid its the darkmotor stub that is moving, probably due to the spring mechanism in the motor stub with the force of the wind.

[pedro2000uk]

I did try the Triax 1.1 although that was slightly worse than the Gibby for me anyway thats why i stopped using them, basically in the triax you know yourself that the mount is a slide and clasp fixture and what i found was no matter how tight the 2 bolts where near the clasp when it got hit with high winds, it eventually stretches that clasp lock that the Triax use.

More times than not i had to take the dish off the motor take off that clasp lock and use mole grips to pull tighter the clasp part of the dish. After 2 or 3 times i got pissed off and took it down and now use the Gibby.

The Gibby mount is solid its the darkmotor stub that is moving, probably due to the spring mechanism in the motor stub with the force of the wind.

In all the years I've never had to touch the EL on a single Triax [a few other things- they're not perfect - nothing is] but last year was extraordinary for strong winds so I can imagine it could happen if it was that exposed already- I'd add another bolt 1st & maybe drill it etc.. (You did fit the middle lateral bit?), it was terrible last year.... the Cheshire Gap, the Dee Estuary, Leeds all really got it & Scotland got hammered -& most places had aerials, roof tiles & fences blown down, even brick walls blown over & a few deaths.

there's still a limit on really exposed areas if you can't shelter &/or beef up gear ... go 36v but it'll move - polarmounts always did - it's all those moving parts - hence the recalculate options.

The Stabs use a spring - the Darkmotors use a sensor - if you push on a Darkmotor you can hear it click as it lets it move off position & then puts it back - the Superjack 120s did it a different way again -

[nsw9154]

got most of my gear Gibertini Dish - Inverto Black Ultra - T&K 18" Brackets and i think my Dark motor is down the post office depo but i have another order comming so it might be that it came saturday but i was in bed so i will pick it up today, the only thing i need is a 3 foot long 2" circular scaffold pole but i do not know whare to get one from so i will have to ask the bloke that is installing it to get me one
and with a bit of luck i will be Motorised by the weekend or early next week

[nsw9154]

Hello just a update got all the gear apart from the 3 foot scafolding pole should i get a 3 inch or a 2 ince a mate of mine has found me a 3 ince by 3 foot but not sure if it will fit on the T&K brackets so should i stay with 2 ince Thanks in advance

[digicon]

Hello just a update got all the gear apart from the 3 foot scafolding pole should i get a 3 inch or a 2 ince a mate of mine has found me a 3 ince by 3 foot but not sure if it will fit on the T&K brackets so should i stay with 2 ince Thanks in advance

I doubt 3" diameter would fit on standard T&K's the 2" diameter will be well strong enough.

[nsw9154]

Thanks digicon just checked and you are right the 3 ince will not fit the T&K brackers

[Elric]

just look for a scaffold pole in a scrapyard or a building site