ok all i am trying to install 10e...

[ramjet]

no, I dont see the point in buying 10 items and then comparing them all, I went for the inverto due to forum recommendations

[youngie1]

did you notice any change in it or just about the same cheers lee

[ramjet]

did you notice any change in it or just about the same cheers lee

about 6 to 10% improvement over my old inverto lnb

[digicon]

Just for information purposes only the Twin Inverto Black Ultra performs slightly better than the single across the frequency range, Another LNB to consider is the Smart Titanium another very good performer.

I would place these 3 LNB's in this order

1. Twin Inverto Black Ultra
2. Single Smart Titanium
3. Single Inverto Black Ultra

2 & 3 are pretty much equal but the Twin outperforms them both, But i stress the advice ramjet has given a change in LNB may just be false economy when it comes to increasing your Quality Margin a Little.

You do really need a Good Quality 1.8m and Above dish for these channels to cope in all weathers and at all times of day.

To give you an idea of price a New Raven/Andrews CM 1.8m dish will cost near ?1200 a 2.4m same manufacturer around ?2500

Unless you are absolutely serious on receiving these channels then a 1.8m minimum is required and not even that can guarantee you the channels in certain weather

I hope you have a healthy bank account and a very understanding better half

Regards

[ramjet]

and you probably wont be bolting it to any walls either, although I have recently seen some forum pics of an install that was standing on a garage or extension roof and bolted to the wall, with planning permission of course !

[youngie1]

ok thanks mate... i have just checked my dish and it is a 80cm dish not 90cm... and i am reciving all the sports channels on 7.3 and 7w... all hd jsc fox sports all mbc and ad sports all staying around the same singnal wired or what.. i have been reading loads online and people are saying noway am i recoving 7w and 7.3 on a 80cm dish and i am...but i can only get the free channel on 26e cheers lee

[ramjet]

what you now need to do is try them in the morning and afternoon, especially at 3pm on saturday, and write down the readings, then compare them to last nights readings, as they are usually higher in the evenings like they were for us all last night, also they will probably decrease in strength over the winter period as the earths axis changes the way this all works due to weather and the atmosphere

as for 26e , earlier you said you werent getting it, now you say you get 26e fta and that is all, but you may well find that you are receiving the non-fta, just not decoding them, in that case it has nothing to do with reception but with your "source". in other words fitting a 1.8m dish wont change that aspect as they will remain scrambled no matter what the size of dish is, not opening a scrambled channel has nothing to do with dish size or make and model of your lnb

when checking for reception, you check the signal and quality by pressing info twice on your spiderbox on the channel, if they are both lit up in blue green and reasonably ok, then you are "getting it", but if its scrambled you are not "decoding" it, reception and decryption are two different subjects

[youngie1]

well well... you are right once again ...i have lost jsc sports signal drop off to singnal 67% quality 38-40%... still getting all mbc and ad sports a little glitch thou... do you lose your in the day time to mate... maybe the new lnb will help sort this problem out

[ramjet]

well well... you are right once again ...i have lost jsc sports signal drop off to singnal 67% quality 38-40%... still getting all mbc and ad sports a little glitch thou... do you lose your in the day time to mate... maybe the new lnb will help sort this problem out

most of us will do here in the uk, and no I dont think an lnb will sort the problem out, digicon already told you that when he mentioned you need a 1.8m to 2.4m dish in order to "sort this problem out" in post #19

your other alternative is to move closer to the footprint, so maybe move to cyprus or cairo :

[youngie1]

ok thanks mate jsc sports is on badr should i be able to pick this sat up... cheers lee

[digicon]

On a personal note i dont lose the JSC 1-6 HD channels at any time of day unless it is very heavy rain, But as with everything else that comes with not having an extremely large dish which i wish i could have but not for over a Grand anyway.

Just for reference on my TM5402HD on a nice clear day and a bit cooler as it is now i normally get around 73% signal quality on a bad day with Rain/Drizzle this drops to around 59/60% anything lower than around 52% on the 5402 tuner and the signal is gone.

As for the Winter Months ahead ramjet is correct but also when we have have a nice freezing cold clear sky day in the winter your LNB/Cable actually performs better than what it does in the summer months as it gets less susceptible to outside RF interference etc... and Noise figures drop which gets you a lot closer to the 0.2/1db Noise margin of your stated LNB.

[youngie1]

what size dish are you using mate and what lnb... cheers lee

[digicon]

A Gibertini 1.25m and a Black Ultra Twin Cable can be an important factor over a long run say 25m and over you would be advised to use a good grade full copper cable something like WF100/TX100 to squeeze everything out of the signal you can

[youngie1]

all back on again now wierd or what cheers lee witch has the best tuner vu solo or spiderbox 9000hd cheers

this is the lnb i have on it now what do you think of the specs on it

RF input frequency range: low band 10.7-11.7 GHz, high band 11.7-12.75 GHz. IF output frequency range: low band 950-1950 MHz, high band 1100-2150 MHz. Connector type: 75ohm female. Local oscillator frequency: low band: 9.75 GHz, high band: 10.6 GHz. Conversion performance at room temperature: conversion gain 55dB (typ.), 62dB (max.), gain flatness +/-1dB (typ.) / 26MHz. Noise figure: 1.3dB (max.). Power requirements: DC current consumption 75mA (max.), operating voltage vertical 11.5-14VDC, horizontal 16-19VDC. Band switching: high band 22+/-4KHz. Operating temperature -35 to +60?C.

[digicon]

The Gain is not too bad but the Noise Figure is a little high in this day and age its hard to find any decent LNB that has a noise figure over 0.3db, as you can see from your own lnb specs that temperature plays a big part in the LNB's performance and that relates to my previous post on our Cold months coming.

LNB's tested in the Lab are mostly supercooled to reach there maximum Noise figure, Temperatures i might add that we dont probably see here in our winter.