Dreambox 800HD vs SpiderBox 9000HD

[firestorm]

ok lets ban the spiderbox but ban dreambox and any other linux box or anything capable of cardshare
lets not have one rule for one and one rule for another
remember everyone is equal but it seems some want to be more equal than others !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If a dreambox thread is about cardsahring then ban/remove it but all this spiderbox talk is about the gift which is a server that shares cards and the only way to get accsess to this server is to buy a spiderbox so that in my eyes makes it a pay server

[alunfennell]

i totally agree with you at the end of the day its just promoting a payserver diguise as a free gift and should be banned from this site

I totaly agree M8,

This should be classed as Cardsharing Class A (Banned Discussion on D.K) and its constant permoton is becoming more evident as these threads emerge.

If V-plug and other software is banned then surely receivers directly permoting nothing more than pay servers should be ?

The main problem with Spiderbox on D.K along with it nothing more than an Pay Server is its direct connection with DarkBolox over on an opposing website Alshit.co.uk who has been more interested in ripping off people down throughout the years with many different receivers & cards what would you expect from an Albanian after all....

The Spiderbox is nothing more than an instrument to make money out of unsuspecting users....

Free-Gift ? no such thing as a free Dinner... Discussion should be banned on this receiver...

[afc007]

I totaly agree M8,

This should be classed as Cardsharing Class A (Banned Discussion on D.K) and its constant permoton is becoming more evident as these threads emerge.

If V-plug and other software is banned then surely receivers directly permoting nothing more than pay servers should be ?

The main problem with Spiderbox on D.K along with it nothing more than an Pay Server is its direct connection with DarkBolox over on an opposing website Alshit.co.uk who has been more interested in ripping off people down throughout the years with many different receivers & cards what would you expect from an Albanian after all....

The Spiderbox is nothing more than an instrument to make money out of unsuspecting users....

Free-Gift ? no such thing as a free Dinner... Discussion should be banned on this receiver...

hold your horses mate
is it not my right to talk about my reciever on most things i have said i would be banned on alshit as well
as per gift don't use that
i have already stated before a very clever sales ploy
i have complained the box did not function properly and has problems with cccam
this talk is no different to the dreambox section
or the technomate section
agreed that direct talk promoting sale of this box should be stopped but i believe the sponsor of this site is also a spiderbox dealer

as regards disusscion about this box being banned may i surgest you apply to become an alshit moderator / admin
because if they dont like the subject as you no they ban

[theGh0st]

Ok, so you want the Spiderbox banned from DK, then as afc007 has stated, you would also have to ban the Dreambox, EuroVox, StarBox and Keymaster discussions, the EuroVox is dealing with firmware that you can download from here and other places and use it directly to decrypt pay tv via cable and is in affect the same as CS talk.

[firestorm]

Ok, so you want the Spiderbox banned from DK, then as afc007 has stated, you would also have to ban the Dreambox, EuroVox, StarBox and Keymaster discussions, the EuroVox is dealing with firmware that you can download from here and other places and use it directly to decrypt pay tv via cable and is in affect the same as CS talk.

you need to get back to the stickies if you think a eurovox,starbox(starview) work the same way as c/s they are not even linux base boxes they use cam to open the keys NOT c/s via server private or a gift.Cam discusion is allowed on this site c/s is not As for loading firmware ie images on this site they do not contain any keys qoute"# Do not post images with keys or roms included
# Do not post modified firmware which contains auto updating EMU"
so anything downloaded from this site quote"directly to decrypt pay tv via cable and is in affect the same as CS "
should be reported to a mod or admin to keep this site open

[flyingpig]

I have to say, for what its worth... If people want to ask questions about there STB's then let them whatever the make..

This is an open forum, which is better than a lot of others, because you dont get stick from over zealous mods. So IMHO lets keep it that way, if you dont want to answer the thread its your perogative, but people still should be able to ask.

Granted they should read the 10 other threads asking the same questions firstly, but maybe then is the answer refer them to the search function.

[satsmo]

There has been no reports made regards this thread so it has not come to our attention. One thing I will say is that a lot of threads have come to an end once Spiderbox is mentioned.

The reason they have been closed has not purely because of the constant promotion of the "gift" but because they turned into flame wars. A brief discussion on CS is allowed for any STB make or model here, but some of these threads have overstepped the mark time and time again.

I for one have no problem with comparing STBs as it gives all members, new and old an insight into each box. We have moderated too many of these threads now as they tend to get heated for a multitude of reasons already stated.

Can we keep within the forum rules regards CS discussions and keeping any firmware to off site links. Maybe lets have one of these threads that can be kept open. Then all members can see the pros and cons when comparing manfacturer and models .

I understand where this is all coming from believe me. But lets see if this one can run its course, cheers.

[afc007]

you need to get back to the stickies if you think a eurovox,starbox(starview) work the same way as c/s they are not even linux base boxes they use cam to open the keys NOT c/s via server private or a gift.Cam discusion is allowed on this site c/s is not As for loading firmware ie images on this site they do not contain any keys qoute"# Do not post images with keys or roms included
# Do not post modified firmware which contains auto updating EMU"
so anything downloaded from this site quote"directly to decrypt pay tv via cable and is in affect the same as CS "
should be reported to a mod or admin to keep this site open

my last word on this matter

viewing any pay tv without valid subscription is illegal

wether via c/s keys or cam

on satellite tv or cable

so talking c/s keys or whatever is really the same

[gambino]

Merged

At the end of the day its all about opinions and i think on here we're all allowed an opinion.As has been said some have had good/bad dealings with the interested party of the spiderbox but that wasn't really what the OP was asking and anyway if he's the same gambino as on other forums it would appear he's gone for the Spider 7000HD so i believe his question is no longer relevent.
if its not the same guy i stand corrected

yup thats me,
i've got the 7000hd but still having problems understanding it, but thanks for youe help anyway.

im not getting a proper epg,
only the next few hour for the channel im watching.
How do i get the full epg?

[alunfennell]

my last word on this matter

viewing any pay tv without valid subscription is illegal

wether via c/s keys or cam

on satellite tv or cable

so talking c/s keys or whatever is really the same

My Final word on the subject.

A dreambox comes with no software when bought out of a box to open Subscription Channels.

Technomate Recivers out of the box will only open Free to Air Channels.

Nearly all receiver you have listed above all come out of the box do not open one Subscription channel.


The big differance with Spiderbox and all the other receivers is that this Receiver out of the box is enabled to connect directly to a server Via a Gift or previously added C: line unlike a Dreambox straight out of the box will only open Free to Air Channels and is sold as a Free to Air receiver.

Its the third party software used such as Cccam, EMU,s / Keys etc added by the end user that opens Subscription Channels.

This is why we are saying referances to this receiver should be stopped ... The spiderbox is not sold as a Free To air Receiver, A Dreambox, Technomte, Humax etc are sold discribed as Free To Air and need third party software installed by the end user ...

Thats the fundamental difference between the Spiderbox and all the other receivers discussed on D.K

[Sat-Shop]

Nice theory alun but yet another receiver you are commenting on that you don't really know about... It's quite clear the only reason you want reference to the Spiderbox removed is because you have personal problems with Alsat and Darkman, which is your choice, I don't know what's happened between you and them and further more I'm not really interested, but don't keep ruining threads for others on this receiver just because of where they come from, it's not fair on other members.

The Spiderbox will NOT straight out of the box work for anything other than FTA, to get the 'Gift' you must first download a patch then activate the gift.

I don't know what others do when they sell them but we DO sell them as a FTA receiver, take a look at the wording on our site if you want to double check, we use the same wording regarding being FTA only on all receivers, Dreambox, VU+, Technomate, Protek and Spiderbox.

[.: JaCkPoT :.]

This is getting really petty.
Spiderbox is just like a nanoxx/protek/maxx - sales made by assurance you wont have to spend time lookin for servers etc
Dreambox/linux api is more for those who treat satellite as a hobby not a source of sit back, free tv.
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Keys are illegal, But Thats a providers fault because their encryption is not safe. CS is card duplication And when you do that to companies who pay alot for secure encryption, especially sky uk who have a massive legal team then your asking for trouble.
I would have to go for alun and firestorm here because technically it is a pay server as you cant transfer your gift to any other box. On the other hand i do believe pay servers are Ok as a last resort, If you cant find a server or get a server going.

[theGh0st]

Thanks satsmo for the clarification.

Nice reply Sat-Shop.

I'm not here to flame but to try and help people and be helped myself sometimes.

Now back on track with the topic.

gambino, some channels will give you a great epg and some don't I'm not sure on the newer dreamboxes but my old 7000s was the same unless you downloaded a third party plugin.

Hopefully a better epg will come but who know's.

[firestorm]

the law sates that any person who supplys information or means to recive pay tv with out paying subscription is commiting fraud weather it in person or over the internet.Like jackpot say if you did it with sky they would hang you out to die just ask the bloke in liverpool who got jailed.In Cyprus there were raids against people running/using payserver and court apperances to follow.
So in letting this sort of server/gift be openly talked about on here is sailing very lose to the wind

but back to the subject i would go for the dm800 before the spiderbox put it this way you wont see our friends in china cloneing sipderboxs why???

[sambhi92]

I kind of depends on how much you know about the boxes,

i myself just got a spiderbox 9000HD, and i must say as a newbie, its a great box, its simple to use, good price, and the channels you get are great, it does freeze sometimes, and sometimes just goes off, but D@arkm@m and the spider team do sort it out pretty quick so you wont miss to much.

As for the DM800HD, i never used because as i said, dont really know to much about these boxes, so i just stay on the simple plug and play.

Hope this helps.