duo clone psu replacements any good?

[digicon]

Either you don't believe what you are reading or perhaps it's more a case of you don't like what you are reading ?.... message and messenger

Given that the same member 'Digicon' is advising steering clear of the clones... which advice do you take now ? Also given that he sold it on and doesn't have one or had one for long anyway (isn't that correct?) it's a bit naive to say it was or is a well grounded or rounded evaluation.

The Duo clone does have problems, known fact. The Solo clone not so much, Dreambox 800/se clones not so much either.

At the end of the day you are forking out ?180 and my point is it should be an informed decision either way. You may save money over the intitial outlay on an an original. Allowing for the issues and frustrations it may however not be the best idea.

If none of my pioints striike any resonance with you then I'll simply refer you to the opening post of this thread by the OP.



....that doesn't sound very endearing does it ?

Like i said i owned a V1 clone and it was fine for me it does appear that of late more problems have cropped up with the clones it was the same with the DM's until they sorted it, I think the problems are coming from certain china suppliers as some are getting AOK ones and some are not so its pot luck really, My mentioning of steer clear of them was advisory of be careful of certain suppliers. At the end of the day its up to the individual if he/she buys a clone or not.

Oh! and reply to your post about i got shut of mine i could also say the same of the Ultimo i owned for 3 months i thought the tuners where crap so i got shut of it, Unlike the Duo Clone which i bought to test nothing to do with it being crap again bought to test and nothing else.

I can probably say the same for the other technomate, DM's, Xtrend, Clark Tech, VU+, Gigablue etc.. that i have owned in the past 12 months bought to test and then sold on like many members on here do.

So preach your drivel elsewhere and let members on here make there own mind up.

[ekkostar]

The reality of it really is you bought a V1, tried it for a very short while, gave it a thumbs up without really soak testing it or in depth testing and flogged it on.

The variety of problems on the clones have surfaced and you've then changed your stance to a 'steer clear'.

Please don't refer to my posts as drivel or make derogatory remarks in order to try defend your position. In order to make informed decisions people need informed advice.

I'm not sure what tuner problems you had with your Ultimo, I believe you switched to an Uno ? Don't they use the same plug and play tuner anyway?

[digicon]

The reality of it really is you bought a V1, tried it for a very short while, gave it a thumbs up without really soak testing it or in depth testing and flogged it on.

The variety of problems on the clones have surfaced and you've then changed your stance to a 'steer clear'.

Please don't refer to my posts as drivel or make derogatory remarks in order to try defend your position. In order to make informed decisions people need informed advice.

I'm not sure what tuner problems you had with your Ultimo, I believe you switched to an Uno ? Don't they use the same plug and play tuner anyway?

You need to do a search before you post anything relating to clone Duo's

How much more testing in your opinion is required:

http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/f193/vu-duo-clone-tested-first-impressions-257382/

The tuner problems i had with the Ultimo related to certain TP's on 0.8? west and 13? east i got fed up with searching anymore, Picture breakup even on very strong signals, I believe or i cannot confirm this but it should be fixed now with the FPGA update something which the Uno had nearly straight away and not 10 months later after its initial release date.

And just for the record i dont rate the tuner in the Uno/Ultimo as it stands now the lowly ?129 TM5402HD has a more sensitive tuner its just a shame its not Linux

[benny/9]

for me this member is just here just to clone bash
and stir the members up. like i said if clone models
upset you dont post about them, you've been a member
here for about 5 years and made a hand full of posts
and not one is off any interest, i also said most members
here are clone model users, and dont care about your remarks
99% of receivers etc i have had have been original but i dont
force others to think the way i do, i'm lucky i have enough money to
indulge myself and buy as and what i want, but for testing purposes i
have had more problems with dreambox clones than vu clones
plus the main clone problem is the psu board and you can buy a new psu
for ?20 not three times as much like the genuine psu,
so if dealers stock them some genuine models must have the psu problems

[ekkostar]

Actually I'm not here to clone bash at all. It's not my thread and it's self explanatory.

The OP has posted a valid thread in asking is it worthwhile spending another ?25 on a PSU to continue to persevere ?

The ferrari team are also now distancing themselves from what is now appearing to have become a 'clone of clones' war. The whole thing has become so muddied that when it comes to considering replacement PSU's you also have to wonder where this receiver is headed.

On top of this you've had Digicon review the clone, which from reading here probably convinced some people to buy ? At least Digicon has finally had the good sense to at least retract and now advise steer clear. I asume this remains the position ?

If you find any of my comments too sensitive perhaps it's because you are trying to defend a clone which is not too great a model ? Whether you wish to admit it or not, there are considerable problems surfacing with the duo clones.

[potrobber]

i have been buying clones from January and have had quite a few of them from then

and i can only say they have not been as bad as its being made out here

the one thing i will say here is do not buy from naveed
aka aspley satellite aka dreambox. me aka dreamboxparts .uk

i had the misfortune of buying 10 from him after his 25 duo's was sent to me instead of him by mistake

i done the decent thing and got them ready for collection to his address so he got them back

he then said he would match the price i was getting at from else where so i took ten and out of these i have had 3 with main board faults and 4 psu's go bang

the boxs he is selling do not come close to the boxs i get from other supplier never had a fault with any of them

and i would also think most that have had faulty boxs they have come from one of the above named places

so beware of the above named place,s when buying a clone duo

and at half the price of genuine i find them good value

[benny/9]

If you find any of my comments too sensitive perhaps it's because you are trying to defend a clone which is not too great a model ? Whether you wish to admit it or not, there are considerable problems surfacing with the duo clones.
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i dont find any of your comments to sensitive
and i'm not defending clone or original vu boxes
and i dont have a clone of any model at this time.
i find your posts implying anyone who buys clone
deserves what they get, most who post about the
problems they have are looking for help and advise
on trying to find a fix, and i dont think your remarks
help anyone, and as i keep saying it's your choice
to only buy original boxes,but most here use clones
and if the clones upset you dont post in threads about
them and thats the only statement i keep making.

[digicon]

Actually I'm not here to clone bash at all. It's not my thread and it's self explanatory.

The OP has posted a valid thread in asking is it worthwhile spending another ?25 on a PSU to continue to persevere ?

The ferrari team are also now distancing themselves from what is now appearing to have become a 'clone of clones' war. The whole thing has become so muddied that when it comes to considering replacement PSU's you also have to wonder where this receiver is headed.

On top of this you've had Digicon review the clone, which from reading here probably convinced some people to buy ? At least Digicon has finally had the good sense to at least retract and now advise steer clear. I asume this remains the position ?

If you find any of my comments too sensitive perhaps it's because you are trying to defend a clone which is not too great a model ? Whether you wish to admit it or not, there are considerable problems surfacing with the duo clones.

To your quoted Text everyone has a mind of there own, So my review was to aid peoples judgement about would it be advisable for them to buy a Clone if they where thinking about it or had doubts.

For those people who had some reservations about buying a clone before i tested one and i did the write up had more than likely 99% already made up there mind they where going to buy one anyway, so i did not need to convince anyone i have no vested interest with any clone supplier or do i like some beta testers for certain image's receive free satellite receivers. I also do not receive anything from anyone which would sway Judgement.

I buy all my own equipment purely out of curiosity's sake and to make my own mind up, The clone review was done purely because i saw a lot of people asking different questions about certain setup scenario's, So all i obligingly did was test what ever i had setup at the time and see what the outcome was simple as that.

I also stand by what i said as well at the time based on my own experience in my own environment with my own equipment that the clone i had for the 3-4 months i owned and used it daily did exactly what i wanted it to do full stop.


So please lets not start saying i swayed members to buy a clone completely untrue people can make up there own mind.

[dell_xps]

If people think there are getting/buying a bargain then thats all there is to it.
It's human nature to try and save a few pennies, in this case you would probably be better saving up and waiting until you can afford an original Vu. ( Myself and RD have always had that stance...:-))
As Digicon said he has never forced anyone to part with there hard earned cash to buy a clone :-), anyway stop hi jacking the guys thread...

[gsmtech]

Over the years I've owned several clones dm500 c and s versions, dm600 , dm800hd , dm800hd pro. Dm800se. I also have a vu duo v2 clone. I have had very few issues with any of these clones. Worst I've had is one doa dm500c. One failed psu after 2 years fixed with two caps replaced in the psu. The early dm800 clones prior to rev m tuners had glitchy tuners.
Now consider each of these clones was at least half the price of the original. The amount of money I've saved over the years easily makes up for the minor issues many of which I knew about before purchasing like glitchy tuners on pre rev m clones.
Personally I don't have any issues with my duo clone but I have a fixed dish and a 2.5 inch hard disk.
The weak link on clones has for a while now been Ferrari team...They have a track record of poor hardware and support, until SIM 2 team came on to the scene to up the competition and quality of clones it was mainly Ferrari clones especially dm800.
I still have family members using dm500s clones with no issues, I still run my old dm500c clone for various applications....
Yes clones do have their inherent risks and pitfalls as well as their advantages. But so do original boxes...Look at the long line of flop original receivers...azbox, qbox1, qbox mini hd, reelbox, TM Linux receivers.... compared to these lot clone ownership is much more beneficial.
It generally is resellers of original boxes, fanboys, or people with links to development teams who do all this clone scaremongering... if your going to buy a clone and you do your research before hand and are aware of the potential pitfalls there's no issues. In my opinion the benefits on cost saving are reason enough..maybe manufacturers will price their products more reasonably in future and stop being greedy if they want to stop losing custom to clones.

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[RuberDuck]

If people think there are getting/buying a bargain then thats all there is to it.
It's human nature to try and save a few pennies, in this case you would probably be better saving up and waiting until you can afford an original Vu. ( Myself and RD have always had that stance...:-))
As Digicon said he has never forced anyone to part with there hard earned cash to buy a clone :-), anyway stop hi jacking the guys thread...

LMFAO i'm not even going to go there mate. most here know how i feel about these receivers as opposed to the genuine article. Too many traders on these here forums looking to make a fast buck is all i'm going to say.

[ekkostar]

If people think there are getting/buying a bargain then thats all there is to it.
It's human nature to try and save a few pennies, in this case you would probably be better saving up and waiting until you can afford an original Vu. ( Myself and RD have always had that stance...:-))
As Digicon said he has never forced anyone to part with there hard earned cash to buy a clone :-), anyway stop hi jacking the guys thread...

Totally agree. Not everyone has deep pockets and it's human nature to try and get a bargain.

I apologise if I've offended anyone or if it appears the thread has been hijacked. I can assure you there is a very valid point at play here and this thread highlights it.

After buying into a clone and experiencing problems is it worthwhile to persevere and keep spending money on it ?

At ?180, if all works and it remains doing so then there's little to debate. It does have it's short comings...but you have knowingly bought into that and saved money.

It's when the clone develops faults peculiar only to clones. Potentially two psu's in and another ?50 further out of pocket + the frustration (time is also money), tuner problems, no back-up from re-sellers. In fact I would assume one of those to be a given at any given time.

What is worse is, invariably with people trying to save money, this is usually their first or early foray into satellite. The whole experience can be or is tainted.

The genuine article remains the genuine article. The Genuine VU Duo is by all accounts an extremely able receiver. A lot of enthusiasts realise the value of why that is so and why it's sometimes worthwhile to spend the extra.

The Dreambox clones have indeed come a lot further as they represent a different commercial proposition for both cloners and buyers alike. The cloners will and have eventually spent the additional amount on better components because the margin between a clone and an original is so great and ultimately gets recouped.

The Duo clone being a twin tuner machine based off an already value centered product was and remains a challenge. The proof of that is now also known to the Ferrari team, to clone a clone...well that is just a joke.

[RuberDuck]

What is worse is, invariably with people trying to save money, this is usually their first or early foray into satellite. The whole experience can be or is tainted.

I absolutely agree.

The Duo clone being a twin tuner machine based off an already value centered product was and remains a challenge. The proof of that is now also known to the Ferrari team, to clone a clone...well that is just a joke.

I could not have said that better my self

[gsmtech]

There's nothing special about the duo over a dm800se other than twin tuners. If there was such a product as a twin tuner dm800se or a dm7020hd clone I would much rather have one of these over a duo.
Now if the clone teams are producing and selling 800se clones at 140 and making profit a duo is not much more of a challenge, probably easier as the tuners are soldered directly to the board so they can be done by robot , they don't have to bother with sim cards etc. If SIM 2 team had decided to produce a duo clone you would have probably seen a higher quality product and a bit of a price war.

[dell_xps]

A percentage of the money you pay for an original duo goes towards a worthwhile charity :-), where does the cash go if you have bought a clone ?
Anyway as a Vu Fanboy, we are just going over the same old ground yet again, in life we have have lovers & haters :-)