500c - Card Sharing

[flyingpig]

My honest and professional opinion is that this is an unfair contract term. Just because you have the receiver in your living room, why can't you watch it in another room? It is still the same sub, you are just not lifting up your receiver and taking it to another room, you are using technology to do it for you. If you look up the legal definition of the Unfair terms 'it has to cause an imbalance in the parties rights', and this term does. You can not view your subbed channels in any other room than that which the receiver is installed unless you decide to pay them more money for the sub that you already are paying for.

I will say it again, just because they have it as a condiition of service does not mean the conditions are legal. Also, it does not mean that sharing your own sub in your own house is illegal, the courts decide this, not Sky or Virgin, and to my knowledge there has not been a single case of this kind in the UK. Nor do I think there ever will be.

Of course sharing your sub with someone who does not have the right to view them is 100% illegal, and will always remain so.

[HoTTDubbER]

i made a point a few threads ago the Germans have been doing cable cs for a while

i have had German cable shares in my server for a long time
they seem just just get shared with sat cards

i mean i have German cable shares but its not like i can use them they just come from one of my peers

i imagine same thing will happen with Vermin cards

take a look at the attached screen shot

[2tone]

i just cant believe what ive read in this thread, arguing if its illegal or not ???
of course its illegal to share a subscription in your own house.....you paid for 1 subs not 2.....or 22 if you share outside your own network
there is no difference card sharing is illegal.....but....how many of you guys have had a dreambox or dodgy vermin/nthell or ch0rus box in you house, probably all of you and probably everyone that reads this thread
so whats the problem ? whatever way you watch free tv either cable or cardsharing its always gonna be illegal if you dont pay...
get over it and choose to pay up or go and c/s and shut up

pmsl and right to the point there also 100% right

[red devil]

you clearly have not read all this thread properly
maybe start from the beginning again
and this time round make sure u understand the difference between breaking laws and and breaking terms of service

i can assure you u wont get ur door busted down and serve a jail sentence for sharing your living room viewing card with ur bedrooms receiver ,however theres a slight chance if found out u might have ur sky sub canceled and that risk is minuscule

i did read the thread m8 and if you have 1 subscription and duplicate it to watch it at another location you are stealing their service either in your own home or not so yes i believe that is illegal
however watching your paid for sub on non standard equipment is maybe breaking terms of service, thats all...big difference between the 2

[flyingpig]

i did read the thread m8 and if you have 1 subscription and duplicate it to watch it at another location you are stealing their service either in your own home or not so yes i believe that is illegal
however watching your paid for sub on non standard equipment is maybe breaking terms of service, thats all...big difference between the 2

You are not duplicating your subscription in any way.

If you have a legit box in the living room, and say you want to watch the sports in the bedroom, you cannot do this without moving the box up to your room. Why should you have to do this when you can use technology to do it for you? You can subscribe to services provided by the suppliers, but why should you when we who have dreamboxes want to use them to do it for us. Also in no way should it be a ToS because I get better functionality with my DM500 like being able to watch it on any PC in the house, being able to stream from PC to TV etc..!!

So its not duplicating your existing sub, IMHO you are wrong.

[thered]

just to stick my two penneth in it is not allowed to share any cards whether it be for your own home network use or not

to have boxes in different rooms requires multiroom subscription (fact)

thing is they would have to take paying customers to court which is a bit stupid so they turn a blind eye to this much the same as saturday pub footy (if they continue to pay sky subs of course)

now cardsharing over the net is a different ball game and is definately not very legal and IMO anyone caught could well end up doing a bit of porridge

UNLIKE sky virgin have there own BB network and will probably take a bit of interest in certain mac addresses if people do eventually start sharing cable cards,it is NOT something i would get into or recomend to anyone unless you are in a tight nit group of just a few peeps

also any servers that pop up offering boxes and subs i would avoid like the plague because they probably wont be around very long at all

[neo1]

is there any difference c/s vm or sly? with vm bb was reading this thread ond saw something about closed network with vm bb

[hibs1875]

I'm not claiming to be some expert on CS but i'd imagine that those offering paid subscription CS will be highly organised, highly educated gangs looking to make some serious ???, they'll run their setup through networks and proxys all over the place, and i'll also imagine they'll be taking the greater risk.

If you were to get caught using a cable CS service, VM, copyright authorities, other officials etc, you'd probably get a slap on the wrist and a warning from them as they'll be after the guys at the top reaping in the rewards and profits. A bit like bit torrent sites and back in the day at markets etc, they don't want the kid who downloaded Harry Potter or who bought it from the market trader, they want those right at the top who are reaping in millions from ad revenue or selling copyrighted goods. Will be the same with CS.

Also got to laugh at people saying CS is illegal. Course it is. Just like using a Starview or DBox to get Sky Movies and ESPN will be, just like downloading the new U2 album will be, just like copying Snatch and passing it on to our mate will be, just like streaming live football games is etc etc etc, the list is endless and these things all go on.

And if VM would be able trace you CS through your internet, surerly you could just change ISP?

[tvadict]

you dont have to be in uk to set up a server for sly or VM. someone in germany , south africa, etc, might be having the card and selling/sharing to peeps all over uk and ireland.

surely VM will not know about this even using their own fibre optic internet.

in any case its not worth it sharing cable tv. content is shallow, limited channels, unlike satellite which can open 6 000+ channels across eu

[Heatblast]

topics aside between them they make a very informative read cheers
Train the Brain as a wise man said..

[smirnoff_rules]

l must say thats a good and safe option if u can share your own card to your extra dreamboxes in your own home .. u would only have to have your main pc on 24/7 .. l do anyway .. but how easy is it to get the software and card readers tho ?

[.: JaCkPoT :.]

you dont need to use PC 24/7. Your box can be used as the server. I can get omnikey card readers ( USB ) for ?4

[smirnoff_rules]

you dont need to use PC 24/7. Your box can be used as the server. I can get omnikey card readers ( USB ) for ?4

how do u use them m8 .. ie r they for dreambox ?

would like to know more about this , l pay for xl anyway and dont do sport and download films l want when l want ,, but have 3 other rooms l need coverage in

[2tone]

how do u use them m8 .. ie r they for dreambox ?

would like to know more about this , l pay for xl anyway and dont do sport and download films l want when l want ,, but have 3 other rooms l need coverage in

Not to hard to set up in short all you need is 4 dreamboxs one as the server then the other one's become clients when you have the server set up with say for talk sake cccam you would set F lines in the server receiver then put C lines in to the client receivers this then lets them log in and see the card other settings would need set like the speed you want the card to read at if you want to block updates and so on can also block channels to any of the receivers if you want also nagra cards seem to work better from what most people say when doing c/s but this will all come down one off them emu being able to read the card and share it but im sure it will happen at some point

[smirnoff_rules]

Not to hard to set up in short all you need is 4 dreamboxs one as the server then the other one's become clients when you have the server set up with say for talk sake cccam you would set F lines in the server receiver then put C lines in to the client receivers this then lets them log in and see the card other settings would need set like the speed you want the card to read at if you want to block updates and so on can also block channels to any of the receivers if you want also nagra cards seem to work better from what most people say when doing c/s but this will all come down one off them emu being able to read the card and share it but im sure it will happen at some point

f lines and c lines ., wots that m8 and wot splitter would the cables go into ( not vm cable )