Help need with a contract of employment issue

[Bulld0g]

To make it simple, Law is Law, anything that deviates from that, regardless of what your employer states, can be discarded. While most Reps are useless most of the time, it is their job to know this law intimately, his presence alone will be enough.

Except he wont be there because he doesnt have one as he's not in a union.

[SouthernComfort]

You do not need to be a member of a Union to be represented

What he said.

[Bulld0g]

What he said.

But if he's not in a union how will he be represented by a union rep

[SouthernComfort]

How do you know where your shoes are?

[Bulld0g]

How do you know where your shoes are?

Errrrr im thinking that maybe the TU reps have spare pairs ?

[SouthernComfort]

Could try looking, Unions aren't secret organisations, I think they even advertise.

[Bulld0g]

probably a bit late in the day now isn't it ? I don't hold out much for his chances of joining a union now and expecting representation for a pre existing hearing.

[happy_highlander]

probably a bit late in the day now isn't it ? I don't hold out much for his chances of joining a union now and expecting representation for a pre existing hearing.

The hearing is only for deductions from wages the contractual changes have not been put into place yet. I am just looking for some feedback on the legal standings for contractual changes and see if I can put a great big spanner in the works and maybe even stop them at the very first meeting if I can give them more reasons as to why they can't do as they please than they have answers for. As I said earlier my employer is notoriously pigheaded and will not spend money on third party help or anything else for that matter which is why he is trying force a pay cut so that his profits keep growing while he does nothing to contribute or bring in any extra work. He is under the impression that because we are who we are he has no need try and bring extra work to the table it is left down to the engineers to find as many faults as possible to generate the extra work and it is only down to the outright refusal by engineers to rip people off that we haven't been on rogue traders yet. Well not the franchise for this county anyway.
Like I said earlier he always puts his foot in his mouth and by discussing his proposal with me before he puts it on the table he has oly given me time to prepare my argument

[Bulld0g]

Your obviously not afraid to have a go m8 why not start a union in work and try to get everyone to join up.

[happy_highlander]

Your obviously not afraid to have a go m8 why not start a union in work and try to get everyone to join up.

Not a bad idea m8 as a union rep it gives me the right to stand up for the young lads that are either too afraid or not well enough informed to stand up for themselves, seriously piss off my boss just for being a twat and make it a damn site more difficult for him to sack a union representative.


Is off to have a look into this idea and see what is involved

[happy_highlander]

Ha Ha must be the Scotsman in me. I'm away to pick a fight and start a mutiny

[Bulld0g]

Not a bad idea m8 as a union rep it gives me the right to stand up for the young lads that are either too afraid or not well enough informed to stand up for themselves, seriously piss off my boss just for being a twat and make it a damn site more difficult for him to sack a union representative.


Is off to have a look into this idea and see what is involved

Good man That's what unions are all about, speaking on behalf of and representing those that don't feel confident to do so themselves

[patkins]

I have been through this as a manager several times. If you are making fundamental changes to an employees terms and conditions then the firm has a right to say the job has significantly changed, and that employees will need to reapply for the job with a different title, or take redundancy. What they cant do is force you to reapply for your job or leave without compensation (redundancy pay).

I'm sorry to hear of your predicament and though I'm from Ireland the same applies here as in masurs post and I would have proposed the same.
It's a sad fact that there is 100 lining up for every job out there and the only thing I can suggest is that if you feel you may have to reapply for the job (due to your personal circumstances ie married etc) you should find out if you carry the previous employment term (the number of years you've worked there) into the new job and if so have it put in writing.
Every shit they can think of, some of which you've forgot, will be dragged up at the tribunal and twisted to there benefit. You may be able to work off the last in first out principal if it applies (I think this one has to be in your original contract
for it to apply)
Keep DK informed of the steps being taken (remember 230,000 heads are better than one) and best of luck in which ever path you take.
Re the Union rep idea-you are the union-you are the one at the coalface-Head office is just that,a figure head.

[happy_highlander]

Cheers Pat. I think I am going to put the first set of frightners in on Tuesday morning and put a notice up in the office asking if any employee's would like the benefit of joining union.

[chalky 4]

Good luck in your fight. But at the end of the day He signs the pay cheques. And fighting windmills can be tiresome. Tribunal compensation plans. And look for another job. Or set up in competition against them! Far better satisfaction.