Are people not allowed to state their opinions anymore ?

[Mr Pumpy]

At least youve calmed down now.

[Mr Pumpy]

Wonder if there's a name for sex toy collecting.??

[RedSpider]

@gizmo.1484 I can appreciate that but in gmb45's case he has been here a while and has alot more posts than I do, the guy is twice my age and he chose not to agree or disagree with what I was saying but to openly disrespect me....what does that say about him as a person aswell as respect for other people ? As I say there's differing opinions as that's where the term debate comes from....but the only difference between a debate and an argument happens to be quite big and that difference is respect. But yeah I do see what you are saying though

@ redspider.....I guess we have differing opinions on what racism actually is.....but the question I have for you is this - how is it not racism if the person is white english ? il give a real life example if a black fella in sunday league calls an opposing team white lad "cueball" how is that not racism ? it's the same principle about disrespecting or disliking someone over skin color - which is racism.....unless I'm totally misunderstanding what you actually said ?

As for your take on opinions yeah it is right that people should be able to voice their opinions and however they want to say it - so long as it's said respectfully it shouldn't be an issue.....as for my dealings on another forum, I had a do with the admin for him being out of order with me due to opposing opinions as a matter of respect and nothing more - alot like gmb45 just now as it happens, except in this case with him being admin it was greatly multiplied and one thing led to another and I ended up flatly telling him I disliked him and I ended up calling him all the names under the sun which did NOT get me banned, the community there predictably sided with the admin which only poured more gasoline onto the fire, and then I stated my original opinion again after it died down abit and then I was banned. Basically it snowballed but the guy held a grudge and couldn't wait to piss on me the first chance he got and that's how it started again - which for me the situation was a matter of respect and not differing opinions.

@ krazylegs it's shocking when people are like that when they can give it all day long but they can't take it.

it is racism. i was making an observation of how things actually are. whites/english can be called honkey tonk, ghost, white trash etc but it won't be taken seriously as racism. if anything, if we were to complain they'ld make a counter claim of racism and win. its even racism to call them racist.

[RedSpider]

I think everybody's lost the plot now!

i have not lost the plot!
Sir, i respect your opinion but i disagree.

[Raven]

redspider I'll be honest with you I'm not sure how to repsond to that because you just agreed with what I was saying in response - so I'm not certain to what end you are actually disagreeing.....I'm quietly confident our meanings are the same regardless but I'm not sure our wavelengths are. Look, racism is racism wether it's done by a white man or a black man....superiority shouldn't have owt to do with it but in society it does apparently.

In any case I do respect your opinion aswell, the case you most recently put across to me I do actually agree with, even though it's equal racism in truth isn't it. Which again proves my point about society being too politically correct or rather being too frightened to say anything on it if that's what they are thinking for fear of backlash......in fact some of the stuff they are doing is offensive to the british people if anything else as it infringes our traditions - they changed the bah bah black sheep song in schools for racisms sake and I for one can vouch personally and say that in primary school and beyond I genuinely thought the song was about a black colored sheep and not a nigga sheep! I mean honest to god the only time I even knew that race even came into the equation was when I heard they changed it and why....just another example of how potty this country has gone in the last decade or so.....they'll end up banning Christmas next because it might upset other people nevermind what British Christians and all the kids think about it!

[forntida]

redspider I'll be honest with you I'm not sure how to repsond to that because you just agreed with what I was saying in response - so I'm not certain to what end you are actually disagreeing.....I'm quietly confident our meanings are the same regardless but I'm not sure our wavelengths are. Look, racism is racism wether it's done by a white man or a black man....superiority shouldn't have owt to do with it but in society it does apparently.

In any case I do respect your opinion aswell, the case you most recently put across to me I do actually agree with, even though it's equal racism in truth isn't it. Which again proves my point about society being too politically correct or rather being too frightened to say anything on it if that's what they are thinking for fear of backlash......in fact some of the stuff they are doing is offensive to the british people if anything else as it infringes our traditions - they changed the bah bah black sheep song in schools for racisms sake and I for one can vouch personally and say that in primary school and beyond I genuinely thought the song was about a black colored sheep and not a nigga sheep! I mean honest to god the only time I even knew that race even came into the equation was when I heard they changed it and why....just another example of how potty this country has gone in the last decade or so.....they'll end up banning Christmas next because it might upset other people nevermind what British Christians and all the kids think about it!

They have already in a couple of places. It is now the school winter holidays and spring holidays. Easter and xmas are disappearing. Doesn't bother me but I can understand some people getting upset.

[Raven]

If that's actually true and happening already then our traditions and Britain itself is going straight to hell....that's why it's upsetting and downright offensive is because all our traditions and some of our freedoms (smoking for example) are being taken away under the guise of political correctness - I'd love to see a show of hands from all the different people who don't celebrate Christmas and I'd actually like to see if Christmas holidays or indeed any of our traditions like the ones I mentioned actually offend them - bearing in mind they get their holidays too that we don't celebrate and stuff like that, but do them holidays offend me ? Absolutely not!

Does it offend me that it's only our holidays and traditions that the government want to either get rid of or augment due to political correctness that probably isn't even nesessary in the first place - hell yes it does! This labour government is an absolute disgrace to this country giving up our sovereignty just like that.....and I'll tell you something else, forget terrorism - political correctness is the real threat to national security! Think about it.....it causes more trouble than it's worth.....how them terror radicals were able to preach racial hatred against this country on the streets of our capital and to get away with burning the union jack flag and they got away with it all scot free.....if they burned the American flag outside the White House and preached racial hatred for America on their soil do you think they would not have been arrested ?

I wish we would just boot out all the islamic extremists and rewind this country back 15 years that would delight me I tell you because we would be a hell of alot more free than we are now.

[Bulld0g]

They have already in a couple of places. It is now the school winter holidays and spring holidays. Easter and xmas are disappearing. Doesn't bother me but I can understand some people getting upset.

Well it bothers me. It is Christmas not winter holidays and it is Easter and not spring holidays. These are the two things that christian beliefs are based on.

[Raven]

Bulld0g it's like a few people now have said, us English Christians that were born here are the third class citizens now.....if they are playing the political correctness card then they are offending Christian religious belief by trying to ban christmas and easter but are they bothered ? No.

Immigrants get the money, house and car as soon as they step off the boat into this country.

All the while us lot that actually care about this country are put to one side it's totally disgusting what this government has done in the last 12 years. Disgusting.

No wonder people that were born here and lived here all their lives are leaving in droves and don't miss the place, I would leave too if I could to be perfectly honest as this place just ain't what it once was.....in fact if you read the news across the pond in the USA they are talking about how our country is slowly but surely becoming a full on Muslim state.....and with the BNP smear campaigns on midday local news amongst alot of other things disgusting I have to agree.

[gmb45]

Bulld0g it's like a few people now have said, us English Christians that were born here are the third class citizens now.....if they are playing the political correctness card then they are offending Christian religious belief by trying to ban christmas and easter but are they bothered ? No.

Immigrants get the money, house and car as soon as they step off the boat into this country.

All the while us lot that actually care about this country are put to one side it's totally disgusting what this government has done in the last 12 years. Disgusting.

No wonder people that were born here and lived here all their lives are leaving in droves and don't miss the place, I would leave too if I could to be perfectly honest as this place just ain't what it once was.....in fact if you read the news across the pond in the USA they are talking about how our country is slowly but surely becoming a full on Muslim state.....and with the BNP smear campaigns on midday local news amongst alot of other things disgusting I have to agree.

fcuk me raven i totally agree

[Krypton]

I disagree mate, in your example how is it racism if someone prefers English over Spannish ? that's not racism.....you ask anybody off top of their head what is racism and they will most likely say to not like someone for their skin color.....granted it is a highly charged topic nowadays to ask what racism is or what constitutes it....and it shouldn't be because it is fairly black and white when it comes to racism (no pun intended)....like I said anything else is to do with other things but that wouldn't be racism.....your response only proved my point that racism means to dislike someone for the color of their skin but nowadays people interpret that with absolutely everything and it's wrong and inaccurate.

In your example to dislike someone for their nationality alone is not racism it's ignorence plain and simple....like I said disliking different culture or way of life which obviously includes nationality is ignorence not racism. Racism is to dislike someone for skin color.

I hate to say it but your response only proved every point I made mate.

racism   
–noun 1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

where does it say about skin colour? i care not about what the average man in the street says, i care about FACTS

[xant14]

Surely calling someone a Paki is not anymore racist than calling someone a Scot.

Pakistan

Scotland

I was gonna say the same, my mate from Australia dont mind me calling him an Aussie... But I cannot call a mate from Pakistan a paki, it's not allowed why? both are proud of their heritage.

[forntida]

If we were to go by genetic difference between peoples there are too many races in the world to take account of their culture every time we speak or write. The only thing we can do is try not to offend collectively or individually.

Their is only one race. The human race.

[Krypton]

If we were to go by genetic difference between peoples there are too many races in the world to take account of their culture every time we speak or write. The only thing we can do is try not to offend collectively or individually.

Their is only one race. The human race.

and robots...dont forget them.

[forntida]

and robots...dont forget them.

Oil never forget them.