American Gun Law

[nibblitz]

had a law been in place that stated all guns must be kept in a bank vault, guarded by ninjas, she would have complied

No, Im saying that if the US had the same gun laws as in the UK then there probably would almost certainly not have been any firearms in the house in the first place. There would not have been so many killed, the nutty kid would not have had access to such firearms when he lost the plot.

Our strict Gun Laws means it just not typical and so unlikely that an average household mum would ever posess firearms.

[daithi]

i agree with shady 100%
as a firearms owner
my guns are kept in a safe at all times unless im either cleaning them or using them

now my son whos almost 4 grows up around these guns
he sees me with them and no what they are and how dangerous they are
when he gets older he can use them if he so wishes but he will no how to use them and the dangers of them

just like anyone with a car etc you will let your kids use it if they wish once there illegally allowed to and are mature in doing so

now anyone with a car doesnt come in from work leave the car running on the street for there kids to just take and go off on a rampage if they decide to lose the plot

now what id say happened to this poor woman is
she had a disagreement/argument with her son
he lost the plot
he went to the safe took the guns out as he probably has done many times as hes 20


turned it on the mother and shot her
then went to the school and opened up

at no stage did that mother have guns just thrown about the house like items of clothing

its not to long ago i remember a nut job walking the streets of england (that looked like xant )shooting people in the street
there was nothing stopping him heading to the local school

[Rodbouy]

TBH the guns laws and ready availability is the problems, or one of the main problems anyway.


America has a population of approx 300 million now I took a % from varies sites and its reported around 47% of the population owns a gun.

So thats 141 million who have access to a firearm.

UK has a approx 1.5 % of gun ownership, even then, the % is reduced even lower for % of ppl having access to guns at home.

So even going by the 1.5% thats only 900'000 which is still pretty high.


Factor in how many ppl there is with mental health issues and living in a culture of where firearms are your god giving right to own then its a recipe of disaster.

We in this country dont have that mind set, christ even in scotland we now need a license for them, and rightly so.


America and other countries need to get the finger out and ban guns from the home.

just like anyone with a car etc you will let your kids use it if they wish once there illegally allowed to and are mature in doing so

now anyone with a car doesnt come in from work leave the car running on the street for there kids to just take and go off on a rampage if they decide to lose the plot

Problem with that is, your car was never designed to kill people or kill full stop. Your guns are.

We can use anything to kill some one, so you cant just throw that in as a argument to keep guns.


Just because you think your child is sane and of sound body now, doesnt mean he will be down the line.

Remember, is fckd up weirdo we have on this planet is some ones son, or daughter.

We all try to bring our kids up to to know right from wrong, be cant always help how people turn out.

We cant control humans, but we can try restrict them from the tools to kill.

[Meat-Head]

i agree with shady 100%
as a firearms owner
my guns are kept in a safe at all times unless im either cleaning them or using them

now my son whos almost 4 grows up around these guns
he sees me with them and no what they are and how dangerous they are when he gets older he can use them if he so wishes but he will no how to use them and the dangers of them

Goes the other way, he will also know, how to turn them on and off

OFF TOPIC- BUT 1% RELEVENT:-

When i was at Skool, my teacher, purposley commented on how i was the only one in the class who knew what tool was what and the correct way to use iit - Daddy had programmed me well!

ON TOPIC:-

Daith's brat in theroey would be the best out the class on that score.

[jaws2]

if someones going to flip like this, they would find a gun even if it was in the UK I would say. them poor souls who died it must be almost impossible to come to terms with it for the families. RIP

[Meat-Head]

if someones going to flip like this, they would find a gun even if it was in the UK I would say.

Didn't somebody make a gun out of dental filling in prision?

Why a gun, why not a set of oxy cyclinders and a gasaxe on the pair, that would have an more awesome effect, with less energy required!

[daithi]

TBH the guns laws and ready availability is the problems, or one of the main problems anyway.


America has a population of approx 300 million now I took a % from varies sites and its reported around 47% of the population owns a gun.

So thats 141 million who have access to a firearm.

UK has a approx 1.5 % of gun ownership, even then, the % is reduced even lower for % of ppl having access to guns at home.

So even going by the 1.5% thats only 900'000 which is still pretty high.


Factor in how many ppl there is with mental health issues and living in a culture of where firearms are your god giving right to own then its a recipe of disaster.

We in this country dont have that mind set, christ even in scotland we now need a license for them, and rightly so.


America and other countries need to get the finger out and ban guns from the home.



Problem with that is, your car was never designed to kill people or kill full stop. Your guns are.

We can use anything to kill some one, so you cant just throw that in as a argument to keep guns.


Just because you think your child is sane and of sound body now, doesnt mean he will be down the line.

Remember, is fckd up weirdo we have on this planet is some ones son, or daughter.

We all try to bring our kids up to to know right from wrong, be cant always help how people turn out.

We cant control humans, but we can try restrict them from the tools to kill.

Goes the other way, he will also know, how to turn them on and off

OFF TOPIC- BUT 1% RELEVENT:-

When i was at Skool, my teacher, purposley commented on how i was the only one in the class who knew what tool was what and the correct way to use iit - Daddy had programmed me well!

ON TOPIC:-

Daith's brat in theroey would be the best out the class on that score.

sad sad comments
paint everyone who owns a gun with the one brush even though its only a tiny number who act stupid

[Rodbouy]

sad sad comments
paint everyone who owns a gun with the one brush even though its only a tiny number who act stupid

Where exactly did I do that ? Can you show me?

It only states that guns are more easily access to people who are not right in the head?

So I think you should read it again and not take a personal view on it.

But put it this way, if we could ban weapons full stop in the aid to help stop such acts you would feel hard done by ? even if its for a greater good ?

That is more sad.

[daithi]

Where exactly did I do that ? Can you show me?

It only states that guns are more easily access to people who are not right in the head?

So I think you should read it again and not take a personal view on it.

But put it this way, if we could ban weapons full stop in the aid to help stop such acts you would feel hard done by ? even if its for a greater good ?

That is more sad.

if thats the case ban drinking smoking... fatty foods as its all for the greater good of human kind

people do stupid things yes i agree with that
but ban something thats been around for so long
because of a minority is stupid
lots of people enjoy using guns in a sensible way
and if for one second i hand guns etc in my house and thought there was someone who was not sound in the mind able to get there hands on them i wouldnt have them and either would anyone else
granted american laws are as relaxed as a hippy on hash
but to tar us all with one brush isnt right

[Rodbouy]

if thats the case ban drinking smoking... fatty foods as its all for the greater good of human kind

Not quite the same argument, they are mainly self inflicted.

Drink, slightly more of a issue when the aftermath of drink can cause others pain.

Thing is none of the above were designed or created to kill.

people do stupid things yes i agree with that
but ban something thats been around for so long
because of a minority is stupid
lots of people enjoy using guns in a sensible way
and if for one second i hand guns etc in my house and thought there was someone who was not sound in the mind able to get there hands on them i wouldnt have them and either would anyone else
granted american laws are as relaxed as a hippy on hash
but to tar us all with one brush isnt right

No one tarred evey gun owner with the same brush, your making that part up your self.

I have not once said all gun owners are going on a mass killing spree.

I merely stated that in the US most house holds have access to guns, this enhancing the chances of a nutter getting a hold of guns. There fore the risk of such incidents are again more likely and due to our laws its less likely.

Its not just the laws in the US, its the culture in how they are brought up around the gun. This in its self creates a problem.

You from what I take it, enjoy your gun as a hobby and thats fine.

I dont see why people need them to be at the home as a hobby, at a range yes fine.

Farmers should only be allowed them out for certain instances once granted from local authority.


There has been 24 instance of such shootings in the world, 12 of which happened in the US.

[daithi]

not all people use there guns on ranges so keep them at home
i for one dont shoot on a range
dont see the point of wasting lots of money putting holes in paper
but i do shoot it in suitable environments at targets to check accuracy
i also use it mostly for hunting mostly
my rifle for deer or foxes
and my shotgun for phesant duck rabbits etc

now this debate will go on forever and both of us with valid points

were both right as in your point america needs stronger laws
but im also right as in not all gun owners are irresponsible wether there american british or irish

[GastonJ]

There has been 24 instance of such shootings in the world, 12 of which happened in the US.

and at least 4 that I remember in the UK of lunatics running round with guns shooting people. However the same percentage of the population does not have access to guns in the UK as they do in the US. So how does that work? That would make it worse to live in the UK with it's strict gun laws surely?

Statistics can be skewed anyway you want them to, being selective is just the start.

[Snowy79]

I think the fact that the school had it's own psychologist pretty much sums up why the gun laws need sorting out. Almost everyone I know if they were that pissed off with someone would have calmed down by the time they tracked a gun down. In the USA you just have to walk into most peoples houses. Smack the owner over the head and go looking for a gun. Little chance of that in the UK.

[GastonJ]

You can buy guns from Walmart (or could when I was there), or any Sunday market tbh. Been there seen that for myself. Having a gun doesn't make you a nutcase and being a nutcase who happens to own a gun doesn't make you a killer. As for the UK, you'd have to ask where the IRA etc got theirs, it wasn't down at the local Asda, it was without a license and yet they killed people all the same - licenses don't make any difference, and were they sane?.

Any death is sad, no matter how it happens.

[firemouth]

You can buy guns from Walmart (or could when I was there), or any Sunday market tbh. Been there seen that for myself. Having a gun doesn't make you a nutcase and being a nutcase who happens to own a gun doesn't make you a killer. As for the UK, you'd have to ask where the IRA etc got theirs, it wasn't down at the local Asda, it was without a license and yet they killed people all the same - licenses don't make any difference, and were they sane?.

Any death is sad, no matter how it happens.

for most of the troubles the IRA got their guns from the USA.
either directly or from cash sent.
the US gun industry made a small fortune, killing UK citizens.

the suggestion that tighter controls on guns, would not have helped reduce the numbers killed is facile.
and owes more to "i have the right" than it does to reality.

there can be no case made for any civilian to own an assault rifle, of any type. be it semi of fully automatic.
indeed those of us who have used any, will understand a semi may well be the more effective weapon, to those with less experience.

someone has already pointed out statistics can be read many ways.
the NRA admits that the number of people owning guns, in the US, is actually falling. (21%)
yet the number of guns is now equal to the number of citizens there.
this means just over 60,000,000 people own 311,000,000 guns!
5 guns per single owner?
just where is the justification of that?
one thing is certain, its not for personal defence.

and even avid pro gunners admit it was not the intention of the "founding fathers" to have civilians tooled up with assault rifles.

now i love guns, always have, and probably always will.
I've held licenses and certificates, in the past.
but even I realise its not MY proficiency in question.
with things so deadly and so easily miss used, we have to look at the lowest common denominator.

this means one lunatic can cock it up for us all.
but the damage caused, to those affected, far outweighs my right to have fun.

and that is how it should be.

one gun per citizen with strict control's on amounts of ammunition keepers can hold.
if we add a maximum muzzle velocity, we can honour the 2nd and start to get a grip on a real problem.

the gun industry has toss all to do with he rights of gun ownership, its all about fat bank accounts.
and they dont give a hoot for those who die on the way.
why should they?
killing it their trade.