American Gun Law

[GastonJ]

Given a choice of going to a frrezing forrest chasing a moose in a Volvo, or knobing Ulreka Jonson, which would you choose?

Has to be the Volvo chasing the moose, very few people in the world have chased a moose with a Volvo

[maca]

Guns are shit only gobshites who cant fight need guns....

[nibblitz]

I'll say again what I said early on in this discussion....

If in the US it was as it is in the UK, being uncommon & very unlikely that your average suburban household mum would have several firearms in the familly home, then all them poor souls in that school would not have been so horrifically killed...

I just cant see how any rational intelligent mind can even begin to argue with that, but sadly there are many who feel they can... Very sad world...

[blueflash234]

chatting here will not undo whats been done a lot of people all round the world have some misfortune at this time of year and for them this is no longer a happy time.
and to all you nutjobs on this site merry xmas

[Meat-Head]

and to all you nutjobs on this site merry xmas

WHOA not the first time this has happened in Emerica.

My favorite mass murderer Brenda Ann Spencer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This came out of it.

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[dustymech]

Thing is, would any of these pro gun people have the same view if they got a call to say their 5 y/o baby girl or boy wont ever be coming home.

I Think not.

If this had happened to my child I would be grieving yes, but I also would have wished that someone carrying would have been at the school to stop the shooter before he was able to wreck such carnage.

We recently had another shooter go into a shopping mall where he killed 2 people before taking his own life. I saw on tv yesterday where he was confronted by a LEGALLY armed citizen who chose not to fire due to innocent bystanders. The shooter chose his next shot to be to end his own life. How many more people would he have killed or wounded before being stopped if he had not been confronted by an armed citizen?

"On the same day as the U.S. shooting, 22 children were slashed at the school in Henan, but mainstream media were virtually mute on this. Are the lives of Chinese children worthless to them?" a microblog user wrote in one of many such posts. See entire article here: China's own primary school attack prompts soul-searching | Reuters

Or how about our worst school killing: Michigan 1927 school killing was worst in nation's history - News - Voice News
He didn't use a gun.

Statics show:

The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.29 The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.33


See full article here: Auditing Shooting Rampage Statistics - Daily Anarchist

Please take note of this: "An astute reader informed me that at least one of the civilians that helped stop Jared Loughner was carrying a concealed weapon, but he did not use his gun out of concern for innocent bystanders." Again a responsible citizen using excellent judgement.



Sorry but the facts are guns do not kill people, people do.


My heart and prayers go out to ALL affected by the tragedy in Newtown. May GOD bless all the lost souls except 1.


BTW If you can not tell I am 100% PRO GUN and for expanding our concealed carry laws!!!

[GastonJ]

Please take note of this: "An astute reader informed me that at least one of the civilians that helped stop Jared Loughner was carrying a concealed weapon, but he did not use his gun out of concern for innocent bystanders." Again a responsible citizen using excellent judgement.

So the point in him having a concealed weapon was? doesn't someone having a gun and not using it to stop a murderer sort of make the bystander having a gun pointless, and therefore your whole argument about having a gun to defend yourself equally as pointless.

"I have the right to carry a gun to defend myself, but won't use it if someone else has a gun and is shooting people....." So why bother?

You make a great case for removing guns from everyone. .

[Canker_Canison]

So the point in him having a concealed weapon was? doesn't someone having a gun and not using it to stop a murderer sort of make the bystander having a gun pointless, and therefore your whole argument about having a gun to defend yourself equally as pointless.

"I have the right to carry a gun to defend myself, but won't use it if someone else has a gun and is shooting people....." So why bother?

You make a great case for removing guns from everyone. .

Then why do the police carry guns in the UK, but have so many rules on when to use them?

I think you missed the point.

Most people who go on a rampage are cowards. When confronted by someone who's armed, they stop. If they're confronted by someone who waves a limp lettace at them, they'll just shoot them & carry on.

Nobody wants to use a nuclear weapon, but we have them as a deterrent to stop others using them.
It's the same with guns & carry permits. They owner won't want to use it, but it's presence can be enough to stop a coward from killing innocent bystanders.

[ajax2061]

Much much harder in the uk for this to happen, only the licenced gun holder can have access to the gun cabinet.
Heard a story from a fellow re-enactor that the police came round to his friends house to check his guns, he was out his wife was in, she showed them the safe and when asked too open it she went and got the keys and did. The guy got his guns removed and lost his licence and fined.
Gun law is very tight over here and its very rare that a licenced gun is involved in a crime normally its imported black market stuff that's is.

[dustymech]

Gun law is very tight over here and its very rare that a licenced gun is involved in a crime normally its imported black market stuff that's is.

This is the point, when guns are outlawed only the outlaws have guns.
NO law will stop illegal use of a gun. Legal gun owners can be and are a deterrent to the illegal use of guns.

[nibblitz]

NO law will stop illegal use of a gun. Legal gun owners can be and are a deterrent to the illegal use of guns.

But Gun Laws do limit access to firearms.. Your average everyday common household mum in the UK does not have a selection of firearms in the family home, because of our strict gun laws. So theres less chance for somebody to readily find firearms in the UK..

By simply having them, can it not be said that Legal Gun owners actually increase the accessibility of firearms to those who shouldnt have access to firearms..

Where do the majority of firearms that criminals seem to be able to obtain actually come from in the first place, they must have surely been purchased and owned legally at some point.... Or do the criminals and non-legal owners manufacture them themselves.

[GastonJ]

Nobody wants to use a nuclear weapon, but we have them as a deterrent to stop others using them.
It's the same with guns & carry permits. They owner won't want to use it, but it's presence can be enough to stop a coward from killing innocent bystanders.

Wear the permit as a badge and don't get a gun if it's only a deterrent.

[smirnoff_rules]

l think they might aswell go the other way and let them all have a guns and wear it in an holster like the westerns , bet shootings will go down , most shooters are cowards


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[Snowy79]

Almost all mass killings by fire arms are not carried out by criminals. They're carried out by nut jobs. The harder it is to get guns makes it harder for a nut job to get gun and so less likely that you'll get the slaughter of innocents on this scale.

If everyone was armed it would just mean you'd fire first rather than take a chance of getting shot. So you're no safer.

Just look at how many people are killed by illegal weapons compared to legal weapons to see what restrictions could do. When was the last time anyone was killed by a grenade or land mine in America ? Why do you think this was ?

They are available in the USA but the public would struggle to locate them, this is because they're illegal. A bit late now but if guns were illegal the same would be true of gun deaths. You'd still have some but not in the scale we see today.

[darrenhyland]

Gun laws are for law abiding citizens.....murderers and criminals dont adhere to any laws.....they will obtain guns for their evil deeds by any means......if you outlaw guns then only the outlaws will have guns......where i live EVERY house has a shottie or .22 rifle, i myself have a few rifles and pistols but i am security conscise....the lunatic that did this used his mothers guns after killing her.....no law would have stopped him EXCEPT for a compulsory carry law for teachers.....if ONE teacher was armed and trained then this twisted f**k would be dead before he got a chance to enact his sick twisted plan. Fight fire with fire