Bedroom tax, new thread !

[andy1967]

@ flyingpig.

mate, I could take you round Glasgow and greater Glasgow, Glasgow is MASSIVE, and I could bet you ?1000 that we dont find 1 bedroom houses available, and they are not building any either.

Glasgow flats. Find 1 bedroom flats to rent in Glasgow

[thered]

Glasgow flats. Find 1 bedroom flats to rent in Glasgow

nice one andy hundreds on there

?150 a month for starters

Last post tonight as going to give misses one . It's not the tax nor the NI that really matters with regards to public sector workers like it or not public sector workers create wealth for private companies by buying goods and paying for services. No matter what your job is public sector employees help to keep you employed. If you either disagree or cant grasp that as a fact of life then im afraid we will just have to move on as I would be as well explaining it to the brick wall on the side of my garage. Im not mocking you Im just trying to get across a fact that may have escaped you. Public sector workers are not the scum drain on society that the government of today would like you to believe.
Private industry and enterprise is all well and good but it is not and never has been NOR ever will be big enough to sustain our western style economy. It quite simply does not work. Prove me wrong by all means show me one country in the whole world where private companies have sustained growth and kept the economy moving.

Your not grasping it m8 it doesnt matter how much money goverment give to companies like g4s and hundreds of others like them

they do not get it all back

They only get taxed company profits, extra vat from spending, increased tax revenue from associated companies and welfare saved

Nothing like the billions they give to them in the first place

Finally I have no time or sympathy for the buy to let landlords who push all house prices up and have their little empires funded by the taxpaying public (through dss rents and also the fact that its taxpayers who are keeping the interest rates artificially low at the moment). They can and should be regulated and I believe EVERYONE is entitled to and should receive security of tenure....minimum 5 year rental contracts ect ect. They imho are where the majority of this countries benefits cash disappear to

So it dissapears when it goes to landlords, the government dont take any cash from income tax, the bank make no money on interest and workers like plumbers, tilers, plasterers, roofers and electricians doing maintenance dont benefit from these welfare payments?

Its exacltly the same as the g4s system and any other company that gets government funds m8, how come it vanishes if it goes to landlords but helps the economy if it goes to companies

Quality

Ok that is genius . Lets say for a moment that they manage to beat the other 5 applicants for each vacancy out there. These 5 are all unskilled so that puts them inline for .........you guessed correctly housing benefit .

No m8 its working tax credit

Full rent will be due

[Saltire]

Glasgow flats. Find 1 bedroom flats to rent in Glasgow

those are private lets, not council, it has to be council, there is no private landlord in glasgow would rent to an ex council tenant, no chance, not unless you wanted to stay next room too a junkie or summit, so forget private lets and private houses.(council only we are talking about here), afterall, why would you give up a brand new built council end terrace 2 bedroom house to move into a junkie ridden bedsit, NO CHANCE !

[thered]

those are private lets, not council, it has to be council, there is no private landlord in glasgow would rent to an ex council tenant, no chance, not unless you wanted to stay next room too a junkie or summit, so forget private lets and private houses.(council only we are talking about here), afterall, why would you give up a brand new built council end terrace 2 bedroom house to move into a junkie ridden bedsit, NO CHANCE !

Glasgow council flat exchange - council flat exchanges in Glasgow


?1000 please

i can only view 1st page there are 2 1 bedders require upsizing

Then this one i cant view it all but wow 2882 adverts for 1 bedroom exchange

1 bedroom council exchange - 1 bedroom mutual exchange - 1 bedroom council house exchange

[Saltire]

Glasgow council flat exchange - council flat exchanges in Glasgow


?1000 please

i can only view 1st page there are 2 1 bedders require upsizing

Then this one i cant view it all but wow 2882 adverts for 1 bedroom exchange

1 bedroom council exchange - 1 bedroom mutual exchange - 1 bedroom council house exchange

1st link is just full of places that are from what I can see "dumps", and theres not many people wanting to move from a 1 bedroom into a larger house anyway, its the other way, the bigger houses want a small house, and as I said, I had a quick look, they are all dumps in very bad areas anyway even if they were any good.

The 2nd link, is just a spam/scam site, pay up and we'll show you what we have.

Why dont you just listen to me, the person I am talking about is 5th on the list for a house in Glasgow council, and there is no 1 bedroom houses available new or old in half decent areas, especially if your giving up a BRAND NEW COUNCIL 2 BEDROOM END TERRACE WITH DRIVEWAY AND BACK AND FRONT GARDEN ETC, you would have to be crazy to move from that to those dumps in those ad's man

[Saltire]

anyway, I dont need help that way, so we are going off topic slightly again.

Topic being the rediculous Bedroom Tax !

[thered]

1st link is just full of places that are from what I can see "dumps", and theres not many people wanting to move from a 1 bedroom into a larger house anyway, its the other way, the bigger houses want a small house, and as I said, I had a quick look, they are all dumps in very bad areas anyway even if they were any good.

The 2nd link, is just a spam/scam site, pay up and we'll show you what we have.

Why dont you just listen to me, the person I am talking about is 5th on the list for a house in Glasgow council, and there is no 1 bedroom houses available new or old in half decent areas, especially if your giving up a BRAND NEW COUNCIL 2 BEDROOM END TERRACE WITH DRIVEWAY AND BACK AND FRONT GARDEN ETC, you would have to be crazy to move from that to those dumps in those ad's man

All the more reason to pay the extra

Them people in them crummy dumps must be dying for a nice new 2 bedder with garden but cant get them

btw 2 in the first link want 2 bedders

one due to baby

[Saltire]

All the more reason to pay the extra

Them people in them crummy dumps must be dying for a nice new 2 bedder with garden but cant get them

btw 2 in the first link want 2 bedders

one due to baby

and how do you suggest that people on benefits that cant afford 5p extra per month pay ?50 per month, please tell me, I'm all ears, or eyes in this case, .

another thing, even if you could find a private landlord willing to take on social security punters, you only get something like ?350 per month in housing benefit from the social, so again, unless you want to live in a bedsit in the next room to a junkie your talking double that amount, trust me mate, ive done my homework on this.

Anyway, I see we'r still off-topic again with this, I am getting bored with it now, specially when its off-topic

[thered]

and how do you suggest that people on benefits that cant afford 5p extra per month pay ?50 per month, please tell me, I'm all ears, or eyes in this case, .

Look for work or Deliver pizza, decorate, gardening, ebay, car washing, fiddle work, whatever it depends there are lots of ways to make cash if you can be bothered

another thing, even if you could find a private landlord willing to take on social security punters, you only get something like ?350 per month in housing benefit from the social, so again, unless you want to live in a bedsit in the next room to a junkie your talking double that amount, trust me mate, ive done my homework on this.

Anyway, I see we'r still off-topic again with this, I am getting bored with it now, specially when its off-topic

Not very well mate it all depends on area how much housing benefit you get and it also depends on what the house is like and if it is suitable for needs

Rents i know in my local area for council houses are between ?90-135pw so im pretty sure private rent will be similar

The ones that accept DSS price it to suit benefit available

cant comment about your area too much dont know it but im pretty sure there will be people expecting babies want to move to bigger homes from smaller ones

All talk is of one bedroom jsa,

some people may need to move from 4 to 2 or 3 to 2

Jsa is worse case scenario and i agree very tight budget but not impossible some tupperware tubs and a freezer you can make 4 days tea from a pack of mince.

What about where 2 claim jsa together they certainly wont struggle.

I have yet to meet anyone these days on JSA who walks about without branded gear or mobile phone. Many can afford to drink and smoke weed and order takeaways how is this?

People need at some point to take responsibility for them selves

What i would like to see tbh is it not affecting people who lose jobs and have contributed for 6-12 months.

[flyingpig]

and how do you suggest that people on benefits that cant afford 5p extra per month pay ?50 per month, please tell me, I'm all ears, or eyes in this case, .

another thing, even if you could find a private landlord willing to take on social security punters, you only get something like ?350 per month in housing benefit from the social, so again, unless you want to live in a bedsit in the next room to a junkie your talking double that amount, trust me mate, ive done my homework on this.

Anyway, I see we'r still off-topic again with this, I am getting bored with it now, specially when its off-topic

Saltire, the money comes from there benefits, or they find another way to pay. Lodger, work, move to a smaller home.

You have not answered my question to you about why you think it is wrong?

I have mentioned many times why I agree with it, however, you dont tell me why you think its wrong. Saying people cant find ?50pm,, that is ?12.50 a week.

People on benefits will soon be getting on average in their hands;

65 JSA
85 Rent
28 CT
25 welfare payment (dinner money for children)
20 family allowance
12 WFTC (if they are elligble for working family tax credit)

These are all averages, and based losely on the figures I know. That in total is over 225 p/w, over 900 pm... I have family who are on monimum wage and pay all their own bills who are worse of than that.

People need to budget, become accountable, if they cant manage - they need to change their circumstances isntead of relying on the state.

I do believe that you are upset becuase you are being hit in the pocket, not becuase of no other reason. I really want to know the reasons why you are against it?

FP.

[Snowy79]

Simple solution. Those wanting a single bedroom accomodation just move into a spare room that a single person living in a 2 bedroom house has. After all the're not paying for it and as they want to be seen as contributing to society as opposed to being a sponger they'll be more than happy.

Before anyone says you can't expect someone to share a house with a stranger I served 24 years in the Forces and I regularly shared a room with at times 14 strangers that I never choose to live with but it worked out OK. It's all down to the mind set of the individual. If you don't want to be a burden you share. If you want to be a burden don't be surprised when those that are paying for your life style don't have sympathy for you.

[tshirtman]

Simple solution. Those wanting a single bedroom accomodation just move into a spare room that a single person living in a 2 bedroom house has. After all the're not paying for it and as they want to be seen as contributing to society as opposed to being a sponger they'll be more than happy.

Before anyone says you can't expect someone to share a house with a stranger I served 24 years in the Forces and I regularly shared a room with at times 14 strangers that I never choose to live with but it worked out OK. It's all down to the mind set of the individual. If you don't want to be a burden you share. If you want to be a burden don't be surprised when those that are paying for your life style don't have sympathy for you.

There's a lot of divorced fathers out there,
most are weekend dads, and need a spare bedroom for when his kids come,

and let's not get this out of proportion, there is a small minority who make a career out of being unemployed,
most are actively looking for work.

[gmb45]

back on topic please

has it been mentioned that that there will be more homeless people unable to get a home now ? because there will be an even greater shortage of 1 bed places, and the council/housing associations will be unwilling to give then a 2 bed place because they will be on the minimum benefits and wont be able to afford to pay the extra, 2 people from the mrs sisters housing association said this while explaining everything to her.

i read some time ago in the nottingham post about the nottingham "60 strong homeless community" disgrace, probably increase a lot when the bed tax comes into force properly, and this is just 1 city.

[rds60h]

Look for work or Deliver pizza, decorate, gardening, ebay, car washing, fiddle work, whatever it depends there are lots of ways to make cash if you can be bothered



Not very well mate it all depends on area how much housing benefit you get and it also depends on what the house is like and if it is suitable for needs

Rents i know in my local area for council houses are between ?90-135pw so im pretty sure private rent will be similar

The ones that accept DSS price it to suit benefit available

cant comment about your area too much dont know it but im pretty sure there will be people expecting babies want to move to bigger homes from smaller ones

All talk is of one bedroom jsa,

some people may need to move from 4 to 2 or 3 to 2

Jsa is worse case scenario and i agree very tight budget but not impossible some tupperware tubs and a freezer you can make 4 days tea from a pack of mince.

What about where 2 claim jsa together they certainly wont struggle.

I have yet to meet anyone these days on JSA who walks about without branded gear or mobile phone. Many can afford to drink and smoke weed and order takeaways how is this?

People need at some point to take responsibility for them selves

What i would like to see tbh is it not affecting people who lose jobs and have contributed for 6-12 months.

Hi Red, me again.
In my area rent for a 3 Bed Council House is ?85 to ?115 PW, the Housing Associations are ?100 to ?160 PW, and Private Rentals ?195 to ?280 PW (these are average prices some charge slightly less many charge much more).
In fact the house Emergency Homeless House I was put into was charging over ?400 PW. It was a Dump, it did not meet Lettable Standards (The Council had supposedly checked it) and I made complaints in writing and listed all the faults explaining why it did not meet standard.........all of which were ignored.
You say about the mince and freezer option, well we by most meat products including mince when they are going out of date and reduced and there is usually a scramble to get any. Without doing this we would not survive !!
The JSA people you mention both claiming are working the system (well defrauding really) and those in the designer gear and eating take aways are the ones doing this and "fiddle working" as you have suggested should be done (again defrauding). On an earlier post you said about private rental landlords having the maintainence and repairs done putting back into the system.............This is where a lott of the "fiddle work" is done so it is not going back into the system.

Your Last Paragraph I fully agree with you, unfortunately it is the exact opposite. Because you have worked previously you are treated as if you have given up work on purpose and barriers are put in your way because they know that you will not know all your rights and so do not fight for them.
I was treated like this so I do know, but I was of the opinion that why should I who has worked all my life and contributed to the system for nearly 40 years be treated worse than those who just abuse the system or those who have never paid into the system.
So I have researched an researched and argued and argued, which is very wearing and demoralising but it has seen the start of a change of fortunes. I may or maynot be able to join the employe ranks again but I still believe I should be treated with dignity and honesty because that is the way I try to live my life............................Unfortunately I know from looking around me that the liars, cheats, thieves and layabouts will always be those attended to first.
That is the way of this country know because of too many do gooders fighting for the rights of the wrong 'uns.
Sorry, Rant over !!

[Diddy]

I mentioned earlier in this thread about a book I had read and was going to post up. It refers to what I believe has allowed these cuts to our welfare and services to be accepted by the working classes. It is a bloody good read to be honest whatever your political bias. T-shirtman has kindly converted it to be able to be read on your e-reader. Just thought you guys may like a direct link. http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums...0/#post1891449
This isnt really off topic as I believe this book relates to why some ordinary working class people support things like bedroom tax and other welfare reforms that in my honest opinion "may" not have seen the light of day going back a few years. Just my opinion of course.