Bedroom tax, new thread !

[thered]

So they cap the rent benefit for private rentals to the same level as a council house? So if a council house in the area is ?70 a week, that's all they pay towards for private rented houses?

they assess them they always have i got my first house private rented it was ?270 a month they paid less than ?200

They said i did not need a 2 bedder as i had no kids then and they even took money off because it was not worth the rent in their opinion it had no central heating or double glazing

i paid the extra and didnt cry


Most council houses in my area are over ?100 a week

[Hoppy01]

sounding a bit dodgy and being a bit dodgy are two different things, as I say, let me worry about that.

In this sh*thole of a country we live in we have the right to fight for our rights whatever way we like especially if we feel that something is just wrong.

Lets face it, this bedroom tax is so wrong even stevie wonder could see that.

p.s
for all the nosey people wondering why this how that, it could easily be one of my familys houses I am talking about and not mine, does that maybe help you a bit with your noseyness ? LOL

A hope it works out fella, it will be a tough one to fight as any decision in your favour may set a precedent for others to follow..

[Snowy79]

I'd have thought all the government would have to do is say they pay enough benefit to allow someone to live in a house suitable for the size of family. They're not stopping them from moving out into suitable accomodation even if it means them having to move to another part of the UK.

[Saltire]

Looks like thats the end of this thread then, .

Thanks anyway to all you people who posted with any comments.

Cheers, thanks.

[Lainie]

Keep us posted on how u get on. Will b interesting.

Ps hope u or whoever owns these properties declaring ur income from the rented properties and are paying tax etc on it.

[thered]

Keep us posted on how u get on. Will b interesting.

Ps hope u or whoever owns these properties declaring ur income from the rented properties and are paying tax etc on it.

why pay a mortgage when housing benefit will do it for you ?


Buy let in family rent to them buy again


Its why this country is "great" Britain its ripe for picking

[cunny]

Re: Bedroom tax, new thread !

why pay a mortgage when housing benefit will do it for you ?


Buy let in family rent to them buy again


Its why this country is "great" Britain its ripe for picking

And its that sort of attitude an loop holes that need stopping

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[GastonJ]

MP's do it, let their first home and claim expenses for their second home. So it must be ok to do.

[thered]

And its that sort of attitude an loop holes that need stopping

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Dont disagree m8 with you or gas, i dont do it but there are many that do i was just highlighting the point

[thered]

MP's do it, let their first home and claim expenses for their second home. So it must be ok to do.

To be fair most mps homes wont be full of dss


but i see your point


Some would argue its a perk of the job, if you have a home and parliament say you can have another home to enable you to work more freely closer to base

why not rent your real home out?

Common sense i do not see any wrong in that

I would do it i am sure most people would.


But i do understand that Mps do infuriate people especially with needless expenses that are no better than benefit fraud that they say is crippling benefit system

and they should when caught out serve the same punishment as anyone found defrauding benefit system and dismissed from their posts

whats good for one should be good for the other

[Saltire]

lmfao, I cant believe some of the peoples theories about my buisness in this thread, thats why I said "let me deal with that part of it".

We are taking them to court for the unfair bedroom tax and thats all you need to know, your either for it or against, as for the rest of the funny things some people are saying, just forget all that and let me deal with it.

I'm here to fight the bedroom tax and thats about it, makes for fun reading though, .

Thanks again everyone for your comments by the way

[maca]

The bedroom tax is a good tax imo ....

[flyingpig]

lmfao, I cant believe some of the peoples theories about my buisness in this thread, thats why I said "let me deal with that part of it".

We are taking them to court for the unfair bedroom tax and thats all you need to know, your either for it or against, as for the rest of the funny things some people are saying, just forget all that and let me deal with it.

I'm here to fight the bedroom tax and thats about it, makes for fun reading though, .

Thanks again everyone for your comments by the way

I am deffo for it and I am a socialist!!!!

If you can tell me why taxpayers should pay via their taxes which are paid in the form of benefits to people who don't work to live in houses larger than they require - and you may start to change my mind. Can you say why you are against it??

No person who works should pay for people who have never worked, those who don't work, those who cant work, or those who don't want to work to live in larger houses than what their situation deems - That is why I am for it!! Lets hear your side!?!

It appears to me you may only be against it because it may affect the money in your pocket and profit.... Not that you are agianst it for any political reason, or they fact that it is trying to make people accountable!!!!

[Snowy79]

The government and the council have a legal responsibility to look after the tax payers money. You'd have to prove that by giving someone enough money to live in a suitable sized property is illegal. I'm fed up hearing there's no jobs paying enough money to cover the rent for a property in an area that they live. If that's the case then move to somewhere that you can find a job and pay the rent.

If the council has covered the rent for a year and the tenant still hasnt found a job or doesn't have a hope of getting a job that pays enough money then it's time they moved.

Lets face it there's thousands of unemployed in areas of London getting at least ?2000 in rent per month that have fnucked about in school and left with no qualifications. How are they possibly going to get a job that would pay the rent, council tax, bills and also enough to feed themselves. They'll always be a burden on the state if they continue to live there.

All the Council have to do is argue they're following Government guidelines and looking after their budgets. The only ones that will win are the lawyers as usual.

[thered]

The government and the council have a legal responsibility to look after the tax payers money. You'd have to prove that by giving someone enough money to live in a suitable sized property is illegal. I'm fed up hearing there's no jobs paying enough money to cover the rent for a property in an area that they live. If that's the case then move to somewhere that you can find a job and pay the rent.

If the council has covered the rent for a year and the tenant still hasnt found a job or doesn't have a hope of getting a job that pays enough money then it's time they moved.

Lets face it there's thousands of unemployed in areas of London getting at least ?2000 in rent per month that have fnucked about in school and left with no qualifications. How are they possibly going to get a job that would pay the rent, council tax, bills and also enough to feed themselves. They'll always be a burden on the state if they continue to live there.

All the Council have to do is argue they're following Government guidelines and looking after their budgets. The only ones that will win are the lawyers as usual.

True i live in poor council area, the culture especially around young women is have a baby, it gets you a free house it gets you more money in benefit you leave school and do nowt

There is one woman lives in my road has 10 kids never done a thing in her life, one has left home but there is now 9 kids in one 4 bedder. Which is now bought through taxpayer cash.

She is 42 and only had last kid a year ago she may even have more, kids are to 4 different dads she has a new fella who she has youngest with, to be fair he actually works

But will they claim together?? Will he be down as living there, i cant see it

Girl next door to them has 5 kidsin a 4 bedder , she is only 22 ffs, shes actually a very canny lass but she milks the system claims disability living allowance for 2 kids cos they have that made up modern thing adhd.

Which to me being a cynic just seems like people who cant control their kids get free extra cash.

Nobody had it when i was a kid normally if kids were a bit wild it was because the parents didnt give a 5hit and let them do what they wanted, now its an illness ffs

There is another 4 single mums in my street (2 are under 21 the others are about 25) 3 live in private rented one council, 2 have 2 kids 2 have 1 each. Of them only one at the minute lives on her own the others have long term partners that work but none of them claim together. So they get nearly all rent paid ect

By the way my street only has twenty house and the full area is largely the same. I have a step daughter who lives around the corner who is in the same boat she is now 20, has a house and baby. She left school joined hairdressers as apprentice ?100 a week she got (which i thought was good for 16 year old) and she wrapped in after 6 months. It caused a lot of problems at home as we just didnt want her laying in bed all day for the rest of her life, so we told her to get another job or find somewhere else to live.

She did get another job i took her all over she got a job in admin for a care call place would have been a great job she started at ?130 a week still only 16 (paid no lodge). She said it was good for two weeks then she stopped going, we used to phone her up on morning cos she never come home pay for taxis to try and get her there, she was sacked after about 4 weeks, then we even went to see her boss to try and smooth things over as they did think a lot of her in her first couple of weeks to see if we could sort it out. They gave her a job back and she went for 2 days.

We ended up kicking her out, it might seem harsh but she was told that if she wanted to lie about all day she would not live with us. It was not nice and tbh it was a very bad few years for us as we had many problems with her. she ended up between hostel and nannas (got to point where nanna didnt want her there either). Eventually she got a council flat now she has baby and council house. On the plus side we get on a lot better now she seems to have grew up a bit and i think she can see why we did what we did.

Anyway im rambling but the point is through first hand experience i know what life is like on benefits and there are a great many people who just see it as a way of life a route to houses and a route to more money. Many have chances we all go to school, if thats no good you can go to college or take apprenticeships. There is work imo for anyone who trys hard enough maybe its not what you want to do when you leave school but it doesnt mean it has to be like that forever. Too many young people just give up work or wrap in college as its easier to be on the dole.

So you get to a point where all these people have been allocated homes simply because they have had kids and that is fair enough, its not a new thing either its been going on since the beginning of benefit time, but when the kids move out is it not right that other families who need accomodation have to suffer because they are still in houses far to big for them?

If they wish to stay in a bigger house than they need they should top up their housing benefit. Its not a tax its a reduction in benefit.

I will say one thing though i have mellowed on my initial thoughts after reading other peoples posts. I still think its a good idea for one it saves taxpayer money and for two it free's up more houses for people who need them, but after a little thought i think that now people should only be charged if there is available property to move into within a 2 or 3 mile radius.

If they then refuse to move they should be charged the excess, the councils should have weekly lists of available houses or flats and if they can offer you a move then thats it. You move or stump up.

With regards to snowys post i can see your point about moving to other areas but i lot of people live near mums and family who live close they may help with babysitting or need care themselves. moving to other areas may not be viable, but i do think that if families are willing to move areas becuase they can get a job in an area, should be allocated house's of suitable size


long post sorry