Bedroom tax, new thread !

[flyingpig]

thats none of your buisness mate (with respect), but I'm not even talking about me anyway, but people are entitled to make thier own decisions on what and how they apply for things.

so it brings me back to that simple question, where do these people find the money to pay ?

When I said you, I did not mean you, i was talking in the 3rd person. You being anyone in the general public who applies for DLA.

If they can work, they can get a job. They can take in a lodger, they can look at their out-goings and re-adjust and cut down to the bare essentials, forget mobile phones, get the bus, forget sky and cable tv.

If you are unable to work you will get DLA. as said earlier, things are changing. You may have bad legs, but you can work in an office or call centre, you may be in a wheel chair, but you can still work - granted - only certain jobs, and for certain periods of times, and thats why as employers we have to make"reasonable adjustmens".

Some of these people have cars,,,,, How????? Sell the car and use that money?

[flyingpig]

With regards to the cases of disable people who cannot work. What are they unable to do? Can they work, do we know blind people who work, do you know disabled people who work?

I do....

[Saltire]

we all know these stories, the one I dont know is how to get blood from a stone so to speak, have you heard of that saying ?

[Snowy79]

If someone can't work and refuses or doesn't want to claim DLA then the only way they can cover the rent is to take in a lodger who will use his allowances to offset the rent. It seams pretty obvious to me.

If used correctly those single people staying in larger houses will either move in with someone or have someone move in with them. Who knows it may even stop people having their own council place but living in their partners council place and claiming double the benefits. Maybe this is what Governments alterior motive is all along. A couple of years down the line the housing situation may even balance itself out.

[flyingpig]

If someone can't work and refuses or doesn't want to claim DLA then the only way they can cover the rent is to take in a lodger who will use his allowances to offset the rent. It seams pretty obvious to me.

If used correctly those single people staying in larger houses will either move in with someone or have someone move in with them. Who knows it may even stop people having their own council place but living in their partners council place and claiming double the benefits. Maybe this is what Governments alterior motive is all along. A couple of years down the line the housing situation may even balance itself out.

Agree with all of the points here!!

[flyingpig]

People need to start removing barriers, if you are disabled, this does not automaticlaly mean you cannot not work. Each case is assessed on its own, and each person on their own ability.

[Saltire]

I will just call a load of local lawyers next week and see if any of them would like to earn a few quid, easiest way, win, lose or draw, this is the hard part though as most lawyers dont want to challenge the council, the court system or police or NHS, how do I know, I have asked before several years ago with another issue.

We'll see, thank you all for your comments ontopic or offtopic

[thered]

Hi Red, me again.
In my area rent for a 3 Bed Council House is ?85 to ?115 PW, the Housing Associations are ?100 to ?160 PW, and Private Rentals ?195 to ?280 PW (these are average prices some charge slightly less many charge much more).
In fact the house Emergency Homeless House I was put into was charging over ?400 PW. It was a Dump, it did not meet Lettable Standards (The Council had supposedly checked it) and I made complaints in writing and listed all the faults explaining why it did not meet standard.........all of which were ignored.
You say about the mince and freezer option, well we by most meat products including mince when they are going out of date and reduced and there is usually a scramble to get any. Without doing this we would not survive !!
The JSA people you mention both claiming are working the system (well defrauding really) and those in the designer gear and eating take aways are the ones doing this and "fiddle working" as you have suggested should be done (again defrauding). On an earlier post you said about private rental landlords having the maintainence and repairs done putting back into the system.............This is where a lott of the "fiddle work" is done so it is not going back into the system.

Your Last Paragraph I fully agree with you, unfortunately it is the exact opposite. Because you have worked previously you are treated as if you have given up work on purpose and barriers are put in your way because they know that you will not know all your rights and so do not fight for them.
I was treated like this so I do know, but I was of the opinion that why should I who has worked all my life and contributed to the system for nearly 40 years be treated worse than those who just abuse the system or those who have never paid into the system.
So I have researched an researched and argued and argued, which is very wearing and demoralising but it has seen the start of a change of fortunes. I may or maynot be able to join the employe ranks again but I still believe I should be treated with dignity and honesty because that is the way I try to live my life............................Unfortunately I know from looking around me that the liars, cheats, thieves and layabouts will always be those attended to first.
That is the way of this country know because of too many do gooders fighting for the rights of the wrong 'uns.
Sorry, Rant over !!

I suppose it depends on area house shortages rent ect london area obviously dearer rents

Btw i know exactly what you mean about not getting anything when you come out of work, i went to see about some training when i finished work as i know the had put people through their hgv class 1 and hiab courses in my area

I was told i didnt qualify as i had worked all my life come back if i was still on the dole in 12 month to 2 year we only get the funding for long term unemployed

Yes landlords may employ people to do work who are on JSA but equally any boiler work or electrical work needs qualified tradesmen who are registered with the correct body anyone flouting this as a landlord could face serious jail

I know first hand its hard m8 i went from nearly ?500 + ?100 fiddle to take home every week to ?64, i didnt get any help with mortgage either

5hit street m8 but i survived and never missed a mortgage payment

I know a single person on JSA will struggle but it can be done and there are many ways in the uk to scrape a living

Many self employed actually use dole as a safety net in case business drops rent and c/tax are paid money earnt is a bonus

I see grown men delivering papers, pizza shops always deliver leaflets and always want staff

Its shit money a little immoral, tax free but it gets people by

I think all youngsters btw have branded gear and most youth on jsa smoke weed where i live but as i said before i dont know any single person who has a house on jsa they are all in flats

Or the girlfriend has one as a single parent

[thered]

2,work, what jobs, theres 2.5m unemployed, a 50+ bloke with no skills what chance has he getting a job.

450,000 jobs a week tbh

2.5 million on dole of that at least half wont be applying for any

But tbh m8 you may be very suprised a lot of firms especially likes of Tesco do not mind the older generation, they find they actually get up, arrive on time and dont take loads of sickies when i used to drive around shops i used to speak to a few managers and most of them reckoned the over 45's were their most reliable concientous workers who seem grateful to have a job rather than the younger cant be arsed me heads banging lot

[thered]

the people in question are long term sick mate, so they cant work. They were due DLA years ago but wont step forward and get what is rightfully thiers, as I said, thier choice.

If they are on the sick thats about ?100 a week each isnt it?

Thats more than enough to pay ?12 rent IMO

No one is getting richer from this, the Government will defo save money, but no tories are getting richer, just the big debt the country has hanging over it will be reduced - slightly.

You make some good points and then put it all in perspective with your last sentence, The big debt the country has will be reduced slightly.

A drop in the ocean TBH, is it worth all the hassle it's going to cause for people just for the sake of reducing the national debt which will never ever be repaid.

I agree with this money saved is just a drop in the ocean but there is a bigger picture too

Housing benefit is 21 Billion a year and increases every year

This money will just stem the tide a little but not just now for years to come it will help control it

But the real issue is that people live in homes to big and many people need bigger homes

now that needs massive finance so if they can jig people about and build 1/2 a million homes instead of 1.5 million homes that is where the real savings come in

If they built the 1.5 million homes you can guarantee half would be on housing benefit

So whilst the money recouped from this will be relatively small the reality is over the next few years it will be saving billions and billions long term

[maca]

If they are on the sick thats about ?100 a week each isnt it?

Thats more than enough to pay ?12 rent IMO

ffs red you need to get out more

[Diddy]

450,000 jobs a week tbh

2.5 million on dole of that at least half wont be applying for any

But tbh m8 you may be very suprised a lot of firms especially likes of Tesco do not mind the older generation, they find they actually get up, arrive on time and dont take loads of sickies when i used to drive around shops i used to speak to a few managers and most of them reckoned the over 45's were their most reliable concientous workers who seem grateful to have a job rather than the younger cant be arsed me heads banging lot

Mate in the nicest possible way I feel you are talking through your arse. You have absolutely no idea of what long term sickness and disability means or indeed these days the hoops that these days that people who cant defend themselves cant support themselves go through. You may have washed a few cars in your time but that tbh does not mean shit. Walk a mile in another man's shoes before critesiing them. I really hope that you never find yourself in a position where you are at the mercy of the type of megolmaniacs that are in charge these days. My story is that I have been at thier mercy. I have come out the other side. Been there done that. Probably paid more in tax and blown more in class A drugs than most of your type will ever earn. Does that make me a big shot ? Nah mate it makes me some **** who has experienced life and discovered the pitfalls it has to offer. Good luck with your life with your outlook. Im just glad that we are all allowed to vote. Some interesting times ahead.

[thered]

ffs red you need to get out more

Hey m8 there is many workers dont have that me dad gets ?30 pocket money a week

They both work full time


dont forget a worker will have to pay rent and council tax


Many workers struggle to pay rent and mortgages why should benefit be any different?

[maca]

I know what your saying mate believe me better off being a drug dealer now cos most of the *****ers round here seem to sell to everyone who's not working..

[thered]

Mate in the nicest possible way I feel you are talking through your arse. You have absolutely no idea of what long term sickness and disability means or indeed these days the hoops that these days that people who cant defend themselves cant support themselves go through. You may have washed a few cars in your time but that tbh does not mean shit. Walk a mile in another man's shoes before critesiing them. I really hope that you never find yourself in a position where you are at the mercy of the type of megolmaniacs that are in charge these days. My story is that I have been at thier mercy. I have come out the other side. Been there done that. Probably paid more in tax and blown more in class A drugs than most of your type will ever earn. Does that make me a big shot ? Nah mate it makes me some **** who has experienced life and discovered the pitfalls it has to offer. Good luck with your life with your outlook. Im just glad that we are all allowed to vote. Some interesting times ahead.

No idea at all m8


im on the sick ffs and i passed all work ability tests too no problem and i seen first hand the BS people who were attending pretenting they couldnt walk upsatirs and were afraid of the crowds. Yet were ok when they left


I do not get any housing benefit either so dont talk to me about hard life m8

Unlike the majority i feel grateful i get benefit m8, its contribution based btw


and the sick dont count as unemployed